Co- Redemptrix

[GodsGrace]

so Jesus was sin from His mother's womb = if you were able to create your mother sinless would you - be convinced via google see [the Virgin Mary revealed] by Scott Hahn - twinc

We understand that Jesus was sinless and so the CC decided that His mother had to be sinless too. Due to the mingling of the blood. Now we come to find out the blood from the mother does not mingle with the blood of the baby.

Being full of grace and being sinless is two different ideas. St. Teresa of Avilon was full of grace, but she was still sinful. ALL are born with the stain or original sin.

It's because of the DOCTRINE of original sin that Mary had to be declared sinless. You see, one wrong doctrine leads to another, etc etc

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And that is false.

Not only is Mary Kecharitomene - she is the ONLY one in Scripture to be described as "Kecharitomene".
As I have already explained to you in great detail, "Kecharitomene" indicates a completed action with permanent result. So, it translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”

There's your proof of her sinlessness. . .

that's only in the catholic Bible

 

[tabletalk]

We understand that Jesus was sinless and so the CC decided that His mother had to be sinless too. Due to the mingling of the blood. Now we come to find out the blood from the mother does not mingle with the blood of the baby.

Being full of grace and being sinless is two different ideas. St. Teresa of Avilon was full of grace, but she was still sinful. ALL are born with the stain or original sin.

It's because of the DOCTRINE of original sin that Mary had to be declared sinless. You see, one wrong doctrine leads to another, etc etc

Does your particular church teach that "St. Teresa of Avilon was full of grace"?

 

[twinc]

We understand that Jesus was sinless and so the CC decided that His mother had to be sinless too. Due to the mingling of the blood. Now we come to find out the blood from the mother does not mingle with the blood of the baby.

Being full of grace and being sinless is two different ideas. St. Teresa of Avilon was full of grace, but she was still sinful. ALL are born with the stain or original sin.

It's because of the DOCTRINE of original sin that Mary had to be declared sinless. You see, one wrong doctrine leads to another, etc etc

splitting hairs gets one nowhere - Jesus had Mary,s DNA - The Queen of heaven sits at her son's right hand - if you had the ability to create your mother sinless would you not - if not then Jesus like the rest of humanity would have been sinless from His mother's womb - twinc

 

[101G]

splitting hairs gets one nowhere - Jesus had Mary,s DNA - The Queen of heaven sits at her son's right hand - if you had the ability to create your mother sinless would you not - if not then Jesus like thebrest of humanity would have been sinless from His mother's womb - twinc

please give book chapter, and verse that states that the Lord Jesus have Mary's DNA.

PCJ

 

[twinc]

Does your particular church teach that "St. Teresa of Avilon was full of grace"?

what we are taught is that John the Baptist was full of grace from his mother's womb but he was not even a Christian and the least in the kingdom of heaven was greater than he - twinc

 

[twinc]

please give book chapter, and verse that states that the Lord Jesus have Mary's DNA.

PCJ

right alongside where it states He did not have her blood - twinc

 

[101G]

book chapter and verse for that also.

 

[twinc]

book chapter and verse for that also.

exactly the same book, same chapter next verse - twinc

 

[101G]

twinc said: ↑
splitting hairs gets one nowhere - Jesus had Mary,s DNA - The Queen of heaven sits at her son's right hand - if you had the ability to create your mother sinless would you not - if not then Jesus like thebrest of humanity would have been sinless from His mother's womb - twinc

101G said, "please give book chapter, and verse that states that the Lord Jesus have Mary's DNA".

PCJ

Twinc said "right alongside where it states He did not have her blood - twinc


This is a classic example of how lies get started in the Church, by ignorant men who don’t know nothing about God or Nature.

PCJ

 

[BreadOfLife]

that's only in the catholic Bible

Uhhhh, no - it's in the original Greek.
Seep studying - you'll get there . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So there was no Trinity until Jesus was born? Strange statement.

You say no, God did not exist before Mary. Now you say Mary was impregnated by God. If God did not exist before Mary how did the nonexistent God impregnate her? Foolish. Mary is not the mother of God. God always existed Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Yes, Jesus is fully Man and fully God. The God man. The Son was already Deity. Jesus did not get His divine nature from the Holy Spirit. The Son was already God. The Holy Spirit was active in begatting the human side of Christ. Thus the idea that Jesus got His divine side from God and His human side from Mary is false.

Mary bore that special creation of God into the race of humanity. (Luke 1:35) "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Mary was the mother in that that 'holy thing' was born of her. The GodMan. She is not the mother of God as God already existed in the persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Stranger

First of all - let's keep this honest, shall we?
I never said that God didn't exist before Mary. That is a complete and total LIE.

Secondly, I never said that Mary created Jesus' deity. She was impregnated BY God - WITH God.
Mary gave birth to the God Man - NOT just a man.

While combating the heresy of Nestorianism, which sought to separate the 2 natures of Christ - the Council of Ephesus in 431 declared Mary "Theotokos" (God-Bearer). All YOU are doing is reiterating the Nestorian Heresy . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is nothing there to indicate any sinlessness. No virgin birth for Mary. A sinner just like me and you. But highly favoured.

Stranger

Denial is not an intelligent response.
The verbiage speaks for itself.

"Kecharitomene" indicates a completed action with permanent result.
It is translated as, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace” - whether YOU like it or not . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

Does your particular church teach that "St. Teresa of Avilon was full of grace"?

St. Teresa of Avila, is full of grace. Brimming over.
She wrote the 7 castles (or rooms) of the heart.
If she's not full of grace, I don't know who is.
Does MY church teach this?
I don't own a church.
Most do not teach this.

 

[bbyrd009]

She wrote the 7 castles (or rooms) of the heart.

have you read this? any good? Are the rooms associated with the churches in Rev? By her, i mean? ty

 

[GodsGrace]

have you read this? any good? Are the rooms associated with the churches in Rev? By her, i mean? ty

I studied it a couple of years ago.
With a teacher. Many good things were brought out.
It's a good read. It starts with room 1 - and ends up in room 7, the closest you could get to God. We're all in one of those rooms - maybe a mixture of more than one. I remember thinking I'd never make it to the 7th.

Yes. Read it if you can. It's great.

 

[GodsGrace]

@bbyrd009

I can't find my copy!
Anyway, it was in Italian.
Shoulda bought the English version...

Anyway, I do believe this is the book you'd want to get:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/096008766...WP&pd_rd_r=9YW236Z9YNE5HPTR4W39&pd_rd_w=Vear5

 

[bbyrd009]

@bbyrd009

I can't find my copy!
Anyway, it was in Italian.
Shoulda bought the English version...

Anyway, I do believe this is the book you'd want to get:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/096008766...WP&pd_rd_r=9YW236Z9YNE5HPTR4W39&pd_rd_w=Vear5

cool, ty! We have an amazing library system, i'll order it today! they practically bring it to my door lol, if i were invalid they would!

 

[Helen]

splitting hairs gets one nowhere - Jesus had Mary,s DNA - The Queen of heaven sits at her son's right hand - if you had the ability to create your mother sinless would you not - if not then Jesus like the rest of humanity would have been sinless from His mother's womb - twinc

I have never read anywhere that this is said in the bible.

 

[bbyrd009]

I have never read anywhere that this is said in the bible.

ah, it's right there in the "turn your eyes upon Mary" passages i guess