Yeah, that would have made her able to open the seals ( in Revelation ) wouldn't it, and as it clearly states no one was found, who was worthy to open them, if Mary had been sinless, she would have been a contender...
Good point.
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Yeah, that would have made her able to open the seals ( in Revelation ) wouldn't it, and as it clearly states no one was found, who was worthy to open them, if Mary had been sinless, she would have been a contender...
What DOES it mean?
Wrong, sparky.It means 'highly favoured' or 'favoured one', 'to cause to find favour', 'to make graceful or gracious'. (Vines Expository Dictionary).
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Sorry, dude - Luke 1:28 says she was "Kecharitomene".Sorry Mary is not sinless, she is not Jesus. Only Jesus was born sinless,He is the only one found worthy, not her, but this is what you get from those who need to justify there worship of idols, she can do nothing for anyone,even praying to her is of no use, we have but one mediator that is Christ.
Moses, Abraham and Isaiah lived and died BEFORE Jesus yet they were saved BY Jesus.You said she was saved as Abraham, Moses, and Isaiah were. The problem is, you are saying she was saved before she ever fell. The comparison with Moses, Abraham, and Isaiah, doesn't work with your lame argument as you at least recognize they were sinners. See? Try and keep up.
Or, quit trying to avoid your faulty comparison.
Stranger
Moses, Abraham and Isaiah lived and died BEFORE Jesus yet they were saved BY Jesus.
Same with Mary.
Wrong, sparky.
It means: “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”
It indicates a completed action with permanent result.
Moses, Abraham and Isaiah lived and died BEFORE Jesus yet they were saved BY Jesus.
Same with Mary.
Yes, but again, as I said, you are saying this involved mary being sinless. And unless you are saying Moses, Abraham, and Isaiah were without sin, then your comparison doens't work. Or, unless you now agree that mary was not sinless, your comparison does not work.
So, which is it?
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so tell me why is mary twice not in capital Mary like Moses, Abraham and Isaiah - twinc
Hard to capitalize a sinless mary.
Stranger
not for me easier than moses, abraham, and isaiah imho - twinc
No need to apologise fro your error. But even Mary needed Jesus to be saved, becasue like us she was a sinner to. If she had not sinned than she would be equal to Jesus, and she could have died in His place. But as I said, men defending idols even to death as they do.Sorry, dude - Luke 1:28 says she was "Kecharitomene".
It means: “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”
It indicates a completed action with permanent result.
You don't believe Jesus is God?
Do you consider yourself a Christian? Looks like you don't.
me? regardless of my opinion, how might one advance this past Scripture, i would say is the point.
I DO believe that in order to be called Christian one does have to believe Jesus is God.No, I do not believe Jesus is "God".
According to your last sentence above, you have already concluded that I am not. And according to the definition that you hold, I must not be.
Brief and basic: Co- Redemptrix
I DO believe that in order to be called Christian one does have to believe Jesus is God.
Otherwise you're a Messianic Jew. No?
But I said that because it's not written under your avatar.
Will answer this in the morning.Like you said, "you" believe such. Thus it is those such as yourself who define me as being an "outsider". Doesn't really matter what I claim, for you have already decided.
Must log off.