Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[Heb 13:8]

Jesus PAID for the sins of the world on the cross - He didn't SAVE it.
If He had - then EVERYBODY would be saved.

not everyone believes,

NOW, show me where it says we are saved forever - not matter WHAT we do.

What is the truth John speaking of

2 John 1:1-2 The elder, To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—2because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:

but ONLY the one who DOES the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

Heyy, there's that word believe again....

1 John 5:4-5 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

Rev 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Matt 7:21

What's the difference between a sheep and a wolf, BOL?

Matt 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than allc ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

Acts 20:28-29 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

What "No Salvation Outside the Church" Means | Catholic Answers

He like them all are just terrified that if they leave "the church" they will die, not knowing they are already dead.

Only the humble will hear yu

 

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Saved from what ? When the multitudes cried out "what must we do to be saved" what were they referring too?

Many in the "crowds" were "lost" Jews ~
Having once, heard of, learned of their forefathers (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob),
Knowledge and Experiences; then drifting away.

Jews of later generations WERE looking for a Messiah to come SAVE their "EARTHLY" bodies, from enemies. For them to have a "natural life" in an "EARTHLY" kingdom, of bliss.

(And likely true even today.)

If we read the Bible and take it literally without understanding context & culture we will come away with a completely wrong picture of whats it's saying.

I will agree, it is to ones advantage to consider the culture and mindset of specific people in Scripture.
I will also agree, many do not.

When the Rich Young Ruler asked Jesus about eternal life, he wasn't referring to heaven. To understand what he was saying you have to understand the cultural context.

Agree.

Eternal life as understood by 1st century Jews was a state of being whilst alive.

Agree.

O how we have misunderstood what the Bible is all about.

I go with the literal reading of Scripture, and do consider the individuals mindset of "their" era. But also consider what Jesus WAS teaching and HOW (His method).

Jesus' method of teaching to ONE crowd, was parables.

The intent was; ONE crowd, ONE doctrine;
With the crowd "deciding" a "mixed" understanding.
(And the same continues today).

Jesus' doctrine, using parables, is simple.
Jesus IS the TRUTH, first and formost.
His doctrine, taught in parables, has nothing to do with UNDERSTANING; the meaning of
A Parable. (Being a cleverl "fictional" story to teach A True Point)

One in the crowd listening to Jesus' "parable",
(And even this day, of those who READ what was written)
Has two choices;

1) lean on the "understanding" of WHAT a parable IS...
2) lean ont the "understanding" THAT Jesus is the TRUTH...

When one leans on the "understanding" of WHAT a parable IS....
THEN, as TODAY...."carnally" (mindfully), try to figure out "Jesus' meaning" (understanding)....which is a fail.

When one leans on "Jesus IS the TRUTH', and every WORD He spoke IS TRUTH...the "understanding" of the word "parable", becomes irrelevant.

Those in the crowds, who hung on the "meaning" of the word "parable"; only found confusion; and "WALKED away".

Those TODAY, who hang on the "meaning" of the word "parable"; Claim to believe, be saved, be born again; AND DO NOT BELIEVE word for word Jesus' parables.

Those in the crowds, who hung on the "words out of Jesus' mouth, as absolute truth", were they WHO, believe Jesus' whilst not fully "understanding" what he said.

Today, those who hang on the "words out of Jesus' mouth, as absolute truth", believe Jesus, and continue learning;
The "understanding" comes later, like in all things one first learns "about".

In all things, what one first learns about is realized by practice, experimenting, logical conclusions, etc.

Regarding Scripture, which is simply KNOWLEDGE of Spiritual things (and earthly mens experiences);
We are simply supposed to decide to TRUST the Knowledge, believe it, AND the understanding "comes later".

And regarding spiritual things; the "understanding" of the knowledge, "comes" from God Himself to the "diligent" (learner) and the (trusting to believe) individual.

Jesus came to do many things ~
One of the paramount things He came to DO..
WAS "DIVIDE" the people.

He IS the 'cause' of DIVISION among the people....as was His Intent.

The INTENT has a Big Picture.
Jesus is preparing His Kingdoms "occupants".

Men shall either be:
WITH GOD or AGAINST GOD.

And when Jesus comes to "collect", redeem, those that ARE WITH God; there will be NO question of who is and who isn't.

God Bless,
Taken

 

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What "No Salvation Outside the Church" Means | Catholic Answers

He like them all are just terrified that if they leave "the church" they will die, not knowing they are already dead.

Well, when the Church "teaches" it all about a brick and mortar building, built by hands of men; AND their earthly father is a man elected by earthly men.....they are already behind the 8 ball.

And indoctrinate them from a cradle to adult-hood....they fear to set that aside and seek the Lord themselves as a "child" would diligently "seek" his "true" father.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[mjrhealth]

Well, when the Church "teaches" it all about a brick and mortar building, built by hands of men; AND their earthly father is a man elected by earthly men.....they are already behind the 8 ball.

And indoctrinate them from a cradle to adult-hood....they fear to set that aside and seek the Lord themselves as a "child" would diligently "seek" his "true" father.

God Bless,
Taken

YEs we know they are the anti Christ, opposing all the things of God

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

2Co_5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

God bless

 

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YEs we know they are the anti Christ, opposing all the things of God

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

2Co_5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

God bless

Precisely.

Jesus is the ROCK (and Head) of His Spiritual Church.
And upon Jesus, "THEE" Christ, is His Spiritual Church built.

AND ~ an earthly father, appointed by God;

Rom 4: 16
..Abraham: who is father of us all..

Rom 4:17
....I have made thee a father of many nations..

The TRUTH will set a man FREE (from being "OF" the World).

God Bless,
Taken

 

[mjrhealth]

Precisely.

Jesus is the ROCK (and Head) of His Spiritual Church.
And upon Jesus, "THEE" Christ, is His Spiritual Church built.

AND ~ an earthly father, appointed by God;

Rom 4: 16
..Abraham: who is father of us all..

Rom 4:17
....I have made thee a father of many nations..

The TRUTH will set a man FREE (from being "OF" the World).

God Bless,
Taken

Actually what His church is being built on is the bit that certain people love to leave out because it doesnt fit in with there lies and because the yhave none, it is what Jesus was demonstrating to Peter.

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

and again

Luk_10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

God bless

 

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Eph.2:

8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Precisely.
Hearing the Word of God is the beginning of a man receiving the gift of faith from God.

It is not the man receiving salvation;
It is the beginning of the man Receiving the gift of Faith from God.

It is a man WHO continues receiving Faith from God, that the man is becoming PREPARED to receive Salvation.

It is also the period of time,
(Between hearing the word and receiving salvation)
a man can stop hearing, stop believing, stop receiving faith...which is called falling away from faith and jeopardizing his opportunity to receive salvation, called losing his salvation.

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Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Correct. What works a man DOES for the Lord, is NOT about the man receiving glory for such works...but IS all about Gods name being glorified.

God Bless,
Taken

 

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Actually what His church is being built on is the bit that certain people love to leave out because it doesnt fit in with there lies and because the yhave none, it is what Jesus was demonstrating to Peter.

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

and again

Luk_10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

God bless

Agree.
"THEY" have "MADE" Peter the "rock".
"THEY" have "MADE" Peter the one who holds the KEY to Heaven, that Peter is the one who decides who enters the Kingdom and who doesn't.

There are even longstanding jokes about that;
"A man reaching the pearly gates, with Peter standing there with the key to the gates, deciding whom shall Peter open the gate for".

The "key", is knowledge + understanding.
NOT an actual "KEY" that Peter controls, as a gate opening the door.

Any man who has the "knowledge" + "understanding" is a man who possess the "key" TO the "knowledge" AND "understanding".

The Knowledge IS the Lord has prepared a Kingdom FOR HIS PEOPLE that "ARE" His.

The People that "ARE" His; are those people who have made the election; the Lord God Almighty; IS their God.

The Understanding IS that God in Heaven Himself; GIVES to men; HIS Understanding "OF" His Knowledge. (Knowledge; Which we have, so written in Scripture).

THAT IS THE key.
Knowledge is written for posterity.
Understanding of the written Knowledge;
IS ONLY given an individual, BY God Himself.

When a man gains both;
Knowledge AND Understanding...
That individual himself, possesses the KEY, that He may enter into the Lords Kingdom.

Peter had been gaining KNOWLEDGE, from Jesus Himself.

Jesus challenged his disciples; asking them, what are men saying about Him.
Further asking them, Who is the Christ.

NONE could answer, WITHOUT the God IN Heaven GIVING the Undertanding.

God IN Heaven gave Peter the Understanding; and precisely why he was revealed to possess the KEY to entering Christ's Kingdom.

Today, many men say; Jesus Christ, like it is His first and last name.

When it is Jesus; Thee Word of God, in the likeness as a man; a Son of man; ie Abraham;

And THEE Christ; who IS the Power of God, all knowing God Himself, revealed in the Flesh likeness "AS" a man; teaching men (by His Word and His visible example) to become in "HIS" likeness.

How Peter learned knowledge and received understanding and possesses the key to enter the Lords Kingdom....

IS, the exact same for every man.

And NO, it does not make such a man;
THEE ROCK.
THEE ROCK is the Lord Himself.

God Bless,
Taken

 

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What's the difference between a sheep and a wolf, BOL?

Matt 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

BINGO!

I believe, I believe, I believe....well, so?

Many claim that, "as if", that IS one who has received Salvation.

It does not definitively EXPRESS one having had received Salvation!

Judas BELIEVED. So? He is a lesson.
Many can say they Believe, and tomorrow Stop believing.

To be more definitive; a man who SAYS, I am a SavED and Born Again Believer...

NOW, we have a implication THAT MAN has given HIS LIFE, to the Lord, and BELONGS TO THE Lord, and the Lord IS His God.

So, say we hear a man proclaim;
He IS a SavED and Born Again Believer...

Okay, so such man has made his declaration about himself....

Then What? Do others believe his declaration? Sure.

UNTIL when? Until such time, such man can be observed SPEAKING AGAINST God and HIS WORD.

And all day long this CAN be observed...
Such men saying; (for example)
Gods Salvation is temporary.
Men who have Received Salvation can lose it.
Jesus' Parables are not word for word truth.
Men can not enter Gods Kingdom, less Peter lets them in.
And on and on and on.

It is inanutshell, MEN "deciding" the Understanding of Gods knowledge, and preaching it is "Gods Truth", when it isn't.

Matt 7:21
IS about men teaching and doing works on behalf of "themselves" (ie didn't WE, didn't WE) with the Power of the Name Jesus.

They were not acting on behalf of thee Lord Jesus. They were NOT glorifying the NAME of the Lord. They were NOT doing the WILL of God. Nothing indicated "they" Believed in the Lord, or had been Converted.

The indication is they believed that Jesus' name had POWER, and they were using His Power, to glorify; "themselves".

And YES, the result was; the lesson is;
The Lords NAME does HAVE POWER, and anything done IN HIS NAME, IS FOR HIS glory, not the mans!
So yes, those men WERE rejected by the Lord; as they were NOT doing the WILL of the Father.

And neither do many others, who speak AGAINST the Truth, using His Name in the mix.

God Bless,
Taken

 

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"ONCE" saved. The Salvation received is forever.

"ONCE" being the operative word; MEANING, the Salvation HAS BEEN Received.

A man WHO has not "RECEIVED" the gift of Salvation; IS NOT SAVED.

A man WHO HAS "RECEIVED" the gift of Salvation;
IS SAVED FOREVER.

To teach a man CAN RECEIVE the gift of Salvation and THEN return the gift; is False.

To teach a man WITHOUT having received the gift, HAS received the gift; IS False.

To teach a man CAN receive the gift multiple times; IS False; AND such pretense WOULD openly reveal the man IS SHAMING the Lord.

IS Saved; ARE Saved; means IS Saved; ARE Saved; and no man can UNDO what the Lord has Done.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Grams]

Only , if they for ever believe in GOD and JESUS......

And what was done for man at the cross !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Only , if they for ever believe in GOD and JESUS......

And what was done for man at the cross !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Men of their OWN accord, their OWN will can believe and STOP believing.

Men WHO HAVE RECEIVED SALVATION, "DO NOT" remain IN BELIEF, by their OWN will, their own accord.

Men WHO HAVE RECEIVED SALVATION, REMAIN FOREVER IN Belief< IN Faithfulness;
Precisely BY the Power of God...

There is no "IF" forever a Saved man WILL believe forever.

A Saved man "IS" forever IN Belief, IN Faithfulness;

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Grams]

GOD know if you truly believe!

 

[Taken]

GOD know if you truly believe!

God and the man himself KNOW.

Other men can presume about other men; and the Lord himself reveals how.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

The scripture doesn't SAY what YOU WANT IT TO SAY.

If you can not TRUST TO BELIEVE the Scripture IS TRUE, the Lord's WORD is TRUE,
That's on you, to be and remain ignorant.

If you do not KNOW, what the Lord does when Converting a man,
That's on you, to be and remain ignorant.

What do you think a mans NEW spirit, NEW heart is for? To think and want to do like the OLD CORRUPT natural spirit and natural heart you were naturally born with, from a mans corrupt seed?

You are without understanding.
You make statements revealing you do not understanding what a Conversion DOES.

From your own admission you have been a Catholic from the cradle; and yet you simply repeat what you were taught, and severely lack a hint of spiritual understanding.

Oh good grief. I have nothing to prove to you. If you don't want to BELIEVE the Truth In Scripture, then don't.
The Lord doesn't need to satisfy your "what if's", and neither do I.

Wrong again,sparky.

Because we are sinners and in a fallen state - we STILL sin. And, as long as we are still subject to the proclivity toward sin (concupiscence) - we will stumble and some will fall away.
The only alternative is that YOU don't sin - and I know that's not true because I've witnessed your sins on this forum.

Like I said - until you can show where it says we are saved forever not matter WHAT we do - OSAS is just another man made Protestant myth . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Again, you are without understanding.
NOT EVERYONE who calls on the Lords Name heartfully BELIEVES in Him!
How many times, with your "intelligence" you keep touting do you have to be told....
How many times do you have to be told IF and WHEN a man calls on the Lords Name...
If must be from Their Thoughts of their HEART......NOT their wishy washy MINDS thoughts!
Guess you might be SURPRISED to know, MANY MEN ARE LIARS!
Men for EONS have CLAIMED BELIEF, even joined a Church.............to GAIN positions, girlfriends, business clients, admiration in their communities....
They ONLY FOOL other men.
They DO NOT FOOL GOD!
What do you think the Lord SEARCHES the Heart of a man for?
DUH, it's for the mans TRUTH!!
Gee, I wonder why? Oh ya, that's right, because the Lord GIVES HIS SALVATION to a man who TRULY BELIEVES....IN HIS spirit, IN HIS HEART!
Unlike you preach, that the Lord is a FOOL, and gives Salvation to men and men can throw it back in His face!
Which is MORE of your lack of understanding.
Because as soon as the man from the TRUTH in HIS HEART Confesses....
The man is given a new heart and a spirit and a new truth.......DUH....the Word of God Himself!
Thank God I was not raised in the ignorance your Church teaches. Pitiful!

I'm GLAD you said that so I can expose your ignorance of Scripture.

Rom. 10:13 explicitly says:
"EVERYONE who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

HOWEVER - Matt. 7:21 says the exact opposite:
“NOT EVERYONE who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY the one who DOES the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

YOUR problem is that you cherry-pick Scripture wherever and whenever it suits you because you can't grasp the concept of CONTEXT. The context of Scripture is that we CAN be saved by calling on Jesus - IF we obey Him and DO God's will.

Remember:
Cherry-picking = BAD.
Reading on context = GOOD.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What "No Salvation Outside the Church" Means | Catholic Answers

He like them all are just terrified that if they leave "the church" they will die, not knowing they are already dead.

And, if you had bothered to actually READ the article you linked - you would understand that it does not say what you think it says.
But - I would never accuse YOU of of having an open mind . . .

 

[Heb 13:8]

Like I said - until you can show where it says we are saved forever not matter WHAT we do - OSAS is just another man made Protestant myth . . .

God

Looks like BOL put me on ignore list. It's ok. I forgive. on deaf ears

 

[BreadOfLife]

Looks like BOL put me on ignore list. It's ok. I forgive. on deaf ears

Why would you say that??

 

[BreadOfLife]

not everyone believes,

And that's why forgiveness is NOT what was "accomplished" at Calvary.
Redemption was.

nWhat is the truth John speaking of
2 John 1:1-2 The elder, To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth—2because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:

Heyy, there's that word believe again....

1 John 5:4-5 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

Rev 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

What's the difference between a sheep and a wolf, BOL?
Matt 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than allc ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

Acts 20:28-29 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

In context, which many of you just can't grasp - "Believe" means MUSH more that simple intellectual assent.
According to the NT - "Believe" means:
- Being baptized (Matt. 28:19-20, John 3:5, Rom. 2:29, Rom. 6:1-11, Col. 2:12-17, 1 Peter 3:21)
- Picking up our cross daily to follow him (Matt. 16:24, Luke 9:23)
- Works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)
- Obeying his commandments (John 14:15, 15:10)
- Doing the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22)
- We must suffer with Christ (Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5-7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19-21, 4:1-2)

What's more - forgiveness isn't "automatic." It requires repentance.

NOBODY was forgiven at Calvary. We were all REDEEMED (paid for).
Forgiveness requires our cooperation with that grace of redemption . . .