Why I could personally never chose to be Catholic

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before you debate the things of God BOL, get to know Him. We are made righteous because of Christ, but than of course if you are not in Him, than that you will not obtain, and you must find a back door.
And the fact that YOU go around judging people hearts let's the rest of use know that you are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Matt. 7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits.
 

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And the fact that YOU go around judging people hearts let's the rest of use know that you are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Matt. 7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Nah BOL this is what is judging you,

Mar 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Mar 7:19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

God Bless
 
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First, I am not, nor have I ever been, anti-catholic. This 'anti-catholic' concept is one born of Catholicism and is a straw-man. However, I am as anti-catholicism as any I could name...I hate that system with a passion, because I am not anti-catholic. If I was anti-catholic, I couldn't give a toss what beliefs you imbibe in. But because I am for you rather than against you, I will continue to denounce your doctrines and dogmas...I will continue to proclaim your religion and your organisation as the Antichrist of scripture, even though it will invite hatred and condemnation from those of you who refuse to hear...even though it may bring down the wrath of the entire papal apostasy as such accusations brought upon the reformers before me.
I am against your religion because I love those bound in it and desire they be set free.
 

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If you do not believe in GOD and JESUS , before you die.............

You are going to hell............. Simple ..............!

JESUS................... paid for our sins and we need to know this and believe this......

When I was Catholic for 50 some years I never knew this.... I had alway's
felt I was going to hell................ YEs now it is different for the Catholic,
I believe they are finally using a bible.......which we did not.....not in our church.
 

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First, I am not, nor have I ever been, anti-catholic. This 'anti-catholic' concept is one born of Catholicism and is a straw-man. However, I am as anti-catholicism as any I could name...I hate that system with a passion, because I am not anti-catholic. If I was anti-catholic, I couldn't give a toss what beliefs you imbibe in. But because I am for you rather than against you, I will continue to denounce your doctrines and dogmas...I will continue to proclaim your religion and your organisation as the Antichrist of scripture, even though it will invite hatred and condemnation from those of you who refuse to hear...even though it may bring down the wrath of the entire papal apostasy as such accusations brought upon the reformers before me. I am against your religion because I love those bound in it and desire they be set free.
Hi brakelite,

Why are your doctrines and dogmas valid and the Catholic Churches not valid or true or trustworthy or revealed to them by God?

Curious Mary
 

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Hi brakelite,

Why are your doctrines and dogmas valid and the Catholic Churches not valid or true or trustworthy or revealed to them by God?

Curious Mary
Good question. The bulk of brakelite's dogmas and doctrines are borrowed wholesale from the Catholic Church. If we are wrong, then so is he.
 
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39. Some strains of Protestantism (particularly evangelicalism and pentecostalism and especially the Baptists) greatly limit or disbelieve in sacramentalism, which is simply the extension of the incarnational principle and the belief that matter can convey grace. Some sects (e.g., Quakers and the Salvation Army) reject all sacraments.

40. Too many Protestants’ excessive mistrust of the flesh (“carnality”) often leads to (in evangelicalism or fundamentalism) an absurd legalism (no dancing, drinking, card-playing, rock music, etc.).

41. Many Protestants tend to separate life into categories of “spiritual” and “carnal,” as if God is not Lord of all of life. They forget that all non-sinful endeavors are ultimately spiritual.

42. Many Protestant denominations have removed the Eucharist from the center and focus of Christian worship services. Some Protestants observe it only monthly, or even quarterly (the Reformed are notorious for this). This is against the Tradition of the early Church.

43. Most Protestants (Lutherans and high-church Anglicans being the exception) believe in a merely symbolic Eucharist, which is contrary to universal Christian Tradition up to 1517, and the Bible (Mt 26:26-8; Jn 6:47-63; 1 Cor 10:14-22; 11:23-30), which hold to the Real Presence (another instance of the antipathy to matter).

44. Protestantism almost universally denies the sacramentality of marriage, contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Mt 19:4-5; 1 Cor 7:14,39; Eph 5:25-33).

45. Protestantism has abolished the priesthood (Mt 18:18) and the sacrament of ordination, contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Acts 6:6; 14:22; 1 Tim 4:14; 2 Tim 1:6).

46. Catholicism retains the Pauline notion of the spiritual practicality, prudence, and wisdom of a celibate clergy (e.g., Mt 19:12, 1 Cor 7:8,27,32-3).

47. Protestantism has largely rejected the sacrament of confirmation (Acts 8:18, Heb 6:2-4), contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible.

48. A significant minority of Protestants have denied infant baptism, contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Acts 2:38-9; 16:15,33; 18:8; cf. 11:14; 1 Cor 1:16; Col 2:11-12). Protestantism is divided into five major camps on the question of baptism.

49. The majority of Protestants deny baptismal regeneration, contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5; Acts 2:38; 22:16; Rom 6:3-4; 1 Cor 6:11; Titus 3:5).

50. Protestants have rejected the sacrament of anointing of the sick (Extreme Unction / “Last Rites”), contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Mk 6:13; 1 Cor 12:9,30; Jas 5:14-15).

51. Protestantism denies the indissolubility of sacramental marriage and allows divorce, contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Gen 2:24; Mal 2:14-16; Mt 5:32; 19:6,9; Mk
10:11-12; Lk 16:18; Rom 7:2-3; 1 Cor 7:10-14,39).

52. Many Protestants deny that procreation is the primary purpose and benefit of marriage (it isn’t part of the vows, as in Catholic matrimony), contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Gen 1:28; 28:3, Ps 107:38; 127:3-5).

53. Protestantism sanctions contraception, in defiance of universal Christian Tradition (Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant) up until 1930 – when the Anglicans first allowed it – and the Bible (Gen 38:8-10; 41:52; Ex 23:25-6; Lev 26:9; Deut 7:14; Ruth 4:13; Lk 1:24-5). Luther and Calvin, e.g., regarded it as murder. Now, only Catholicism retains the ancient Tradition, over against the “anti-child” mentality.

54. Protestantism (mostly its liberal wing, but alarmingly in many other places, too) has accepted abortion as a moral option, contrary to universal Christian Tradition until recently (sometime after 1930), and the Bible (e.g., Ex 20:13; Job 31:15; Ps 139:13-16; Isa 44:2; 49:5; Jer 1:5; 2:34; Lk 1:15,41; Rom 13:9-10).

55. Protestantism (largely liberal denominations, but not exclusively so) allow women pastors (and even bishops, as in Anglicanism), contrary to Christian Tradition (including. traditional Protestant theology) and the Bible (Mt 10:1-4; 1 Tim 2:11-15; 3:1-12; Titus 1:6).

56. Protestantism is, more and more, formally and officially compromising with currently fashionable radical feminism, which denies the roles of men and women, as taught in the Bible (Gen 2:18-23; 1 Cor 11:3-10) and maintained by Christian Tradition (differentiation of roles, but not of equality).

57. Protestantism is also currently denying, with increasing frequency, the headship of the husband in marriage, which is based upon the headship of the Father over the Son (while equal in essence) in the Trinity, contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (1 Cor 11:3; Eph 5:22-33; Col 3:18-19; 1 Pet 3:1-2). This too, is based on a relationship of equality (1 Cor 11:11-12; Gal 3:28; Eph 5:21).

58. Liberal Protestantism (most notably Anglicanism) has even ordained practicing homosexuals as pastors and blessed their “marriages,” or taught that homosexuality is merely an involuntary, “alternate” lifestyle, contrary to formerly universal Christian Tradition, as the Bible clearly teaches (Gen 19:4-25; Rom 1:18-27; 1 Cor 6:9). Catholicism stands firm on traditional sexual morality.

59. Liberal Protestantism, and evangelicalism increasingly, have accepted “higher critical” methods of biblical interpretation which lead to the destruction of the traditional Christian reverence for the Bible, and demote it to the status of largely a human, fallible document, to the detriment of its divine, infallible essence.

60. Much of liberal Protestantism has thrown out many cardinal doctrines of Christianity, such as the incarnation, virgin birth, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the Trinity, original sin, hell, the existence of the devil, miracles, etc.

61. The founders of Protestantism denied, and Calvinists today deny, the reality of human free will (Luther’s favorite book was his Bondage of the Will). This is contrary to the constant premise of the Bible, Christian Tradition, and common sense.


Read more at 150 Reasons Why I Became (and Remain) a Catholic
 

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62. Classical Protestantism had a deficient view of the Fall of Man, thinking that the result was “total depravity.” According to Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, and Calvinists, man could only do evil of his own volition, and had no free will to do good. He now has a “sin nature.” Catholicism believes that, in a mysterious way, man cooperates with the grace which always originates from God and precedes all good actions. In Catholicism, man’s nature still retains some good, although he has a propensity to sin (“concupiscence”).

63. Classical Protestantism, and Calvinism today, comes perilously close to making God the author of evil. He supposedly wills that men do evil and violate His precepts without having any free will to do so.

64. Accordingly (man having no free will), in classical Protestant and Calvinist thought, God predestines men to hell, although they had no choice or say in the matter all along.

Read more at 150 Reasons Why I Became (and Remain) a Catholic
 

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When I was Catholic for 50 some years I never knew this.... I had alway's
felt I was going to hell................ YEs now it is different for the Catholic,
I believe they are finally using a bible.......which we did not.....not in our church.
For 50 years you never heard the Bible read out loud during Mass?
You never had a chance to talk to a priest about your irrational fear of gong to hell?
Really?
 

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For 50 years you never heard the Bible read out loud during Mass?
You never had a chance to talk to a priest about your irrational fear of gong to hell?
Really?

Mass back then was in Latin and I do not understand Latin.......
plus we had to go to mass 6 day's a week, do you know what a child does with being bored ??????

Not pay attention ........... boring ! [ plus I had a few things issues that the nuns did not help me with]

I hear things have not changed ! I am glad.......
 

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First, I am not, nor have I ever been, anti-catholic. This 'anti-catholic' concept is one born of Catholicism and is a straw-man. However, I am as anti-catholicism as any I could name...I hate that system with a passion, because I am not anti-catholic. If I was anti-catholic, I couldn't give a toss what beliefs you imbibe in. But because I am for you rather than against you, I will continue to denounce your doctrines and dogmas...I will continue to proclaim your religion and your organisation as the Antichrist of scripture, even though it will invite hatred and condemnation from those of you who refuse to hear...even though it may bring down the wrath of the entire papal apostasy as such accusations brought upon the reformers before me.
I am against your religion because I love those bound in it and desire they be set free.
What a phony post. You don't love anybody by throwing poop on them. There is no wrath in the papacy. When did this alleged apostasy take place?? Can't name encyclical? I didn't think so. You are anti-Christian/anti-human/anti-Catholic, just like the communists and post enlightenment cults that came after. You hate a cardboard caricature of the Church of your own making. It isn't real.
 

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What a phony post. You don't love anybody by throwing poop on them. There is no wrath in the papacy. When did this alleged apostasy take place?? Can't name encyclical? I didn't think so. You are anti-Christian/anti-human/anti-Catholic, just like the communists and post enlightenment cults that came after. You hate a cardboard caricature of the Church of your own making. It isn't real.
WOW!
Blow him a kiss while you're at it!
 

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Mass back then was in Latin and I do not understand Latin.......
plus we had to go to mass 6 day's a week, do you know what a child does with being bored ??????

Not pay attention ........... boring ! [ plus I had a few things issues that the nuns did not help me with]

I hear things have not changed ! I am glad.......

So you are going to stick with the idea that homilies and scripture and every other word uttered in a Catholic church on Sundays was in Latin before Vatican II? Anyone who went to Mass before 1962 knows you are wrong.
 

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Mass back then was in Latin and I do not understand Latin.......
plus we had to go to mass 6 day's a week, do you know what a child does with being bored ??????

Not pay attention ........... boring ! [ plus I had a few things issues that the nuns did not help me with]

I hear things have not changed ! I am glad.......
Mass was 20-25 minutes long, and the readings were not in Latin. I think you are just another angry ex-Catholic turned anti-Catholic. Maybe you were a restless brat with a short attention span, and now you want to blame everything on the Church. It's time you grew up and put Sr. Mary's ruler in the past where it belongs.
The discipline in the public schools was far worse.
 

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Mass was 20-25 minutes long, and the readings were not in Latin. I think you are just another angry ex-Catholic turned anti-Catholic. Maybe you were a restless brat with a short attention span, and now you want to blame everything on the Church. It's time you grew up and put Sr. Mary's ruler in the past where it belongs.
The discipline in the public schools was far worse.


You were not there ! So please do not tell me that........... Because I was and that is the truth....
 
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Mass was 20-25 minutes long, and the readings were not in Latin. I think you are just another angry ex-Catholic turned anti-Catholic. Maybe you were a restless brat with a short attention span, and now you want to blame everything on the Church. It's time you grew up and put Sr. Mary's ruler in the past where it belongs.
The discipline in the public schools was far worse.

No I was well behaved......... my mother brought me up correct .... in fact over did it.

and the nuns would get there ruler out and spank you if you did some thing they did not like.

They used a yard stick and you layed over a chair and got a good one , if it was not real bad

what you did you put out your hand and the ruler got you ......... and they were strong......

things in the 1940's were way different.......
 

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No I was well behaved......... my mother brought me up correct .... in fact over did it.

and the nuns would get there ruler out and spank you if you did some thing they did not like.

They used a yard stick and you layed over a chair and got a good one , if it was not real bad

what you did you put out your hand and the ruler got you ......... and they were strong......

things in the 1940's were way different.......

I went to a private school where the teachers spanked us, as well - Southern Baptist
 

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WOW!
Blow him a kiss while you're at it!

It's becoming ridiculous chatter with moments of pause at end to type in and chuck worthless accusations at folks that that do not agree with epostle1. A sign of immaturity I would think...
 

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It's becoming ridiculous chatter with moments of pause at end to type in and chuck worthless accusations at folks that that do not agree with epostle1. A sign of immaturity I would think...

Immaturity is part of it, but he/she is right about the Mass
 

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I guess this is no longer a "Christian" forum it is now a "catholic", forum, where we no longer stand for Christ but the "church" and her doctrines. I would like to know when the change happened because I cannot stand with the antichrist.
 
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