Is The Rapture Theory Biblical?

[Jay Ross]

Sadly, we have created a time line that does not reflect the reality of what is recorded in the scriptures.

For example, the Bowl judgement/prophesied event of Revelation 16: 17-21 has already happened and as far as I can discern, this bowl judgement/prophesied event has been completely played out. It is the seventh recorded bowl judgement/prophesied event. Revelation 16:17-21 describes a series of events that occurred around 100 years ago.

Another example is the Bowl Judgement/prophesied event of Revelation 16:12-16, which is still unfolding at this present time and will end in our near future, probably within the next 20 -30 years at Armageddon when the power base of this present world will become radically different for a period of 1,000 years. This bowl judgement/prophesied event began many years ago when the Baal religion/worship seemed to disappear or dried up from the face of the earth and the fourth beast in league with the Little Horn began to blaspheme God. Also in the bowl judgement/prophesied event, the Little Horn, in league with the third beast, began the trampling of God's sanctuary around the year 250 B.C. which will also end within the next 20-30 years at Armageddon when God will judge the wicked fallen heavenly hosts, in heaven, and the kings of the earth, on the earth, and they will be gathered together and imprisoned in the abyss/pit for many days before they are finally punished. (Isaiah 24:21-22)

It is also my understanding that the other five recorded bowl judgements/prophesied events will occur during the little while period after the judged wicked fallen heavenly hosts and the judged kings of the earth are released from the abyss/pit after the 1,000 years has run its course. They will attempt to once again, to spoil God's work that has been accomplished up to that time by Him.

Who will enter into the last age, the age we have labelled the Millennium Age?

The answer is very simple, all the people of the earth who will not be judged at Armageddon and imprisoned in the abyss/pit to await their time of punishment.

I can already hear the protests of people who are looking forward to the fulfilment of their escape theories, but will they then repent of their disbelief when what has been written above, comes to pass and they are still here on the face of the earth, entering into the first 1,000 years of the Millennium Age and the season of God's great harvest of souls.

I am looking forward to that time, if I should still be alive, when Christ, the Son of Man, is given dominion over the peoples of the earth, and when Christ, in heaven, establishes a priesthood of all of those who have lost their heads, because of their belief in Him and God and have not received the mark of the beast(s), and He exercises His influence over all of the people of the earth.

Sadly, Satan will also be attempting to exercise his influence as well during this time with his faithful servants continuing his oppression of the peoples of the earth while he is imprisoned in the abyss/pit during this 1,000-year period.

All the above is in plain sight to read and understand if people are able to go to the original texts and study it for themselves.

Shalom

 

[Helen]

Does it matter how one believes about the events of the last days prophecies our Lord Jesus and His Apostles gave us, His Church? YES.
.........etc etc <snip>

NO!!
AS long as we are ready and have oil in our lamps...Endtime doctrine with all the i's dotted and all the T's crossed matter little.

I have said before and I will continue saying...A man can have perfect doctrine ...yet treat his family roughly, he may kick his dog, and not care one bit about his neighbours or anyone but himself...but hey, he has perfect doctrine eh. So he must be a good guy, right, Wrong.

God will not check out our perfect doctrine in the Kingdom...but He will examine our heart and what we did or didn't do in or with, Love.

 

[pia]

God will not check out our perfect doctrine in the Kingdom...but He will examine our heart and what we did or didn't do in or with, Love

Amen to that...I instantly recalled in Cor 13:1 - 3 , it clearly tells us :" 1) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become a sounding brass or a clanging cymbal ( makes me think of a lot of people just on this forum )....2) and though I have the gift of prophesy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith so as to move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing ( I personally haven't met anyone who could lay claim to all of this )........ 3) And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing ( I have yet to meet anyone who has given away ALL they possessed to feed the poor )."
Far too many on this forum need to really seek the Lord, not only to understand what Paul is saying here, but also to DO what he is talking about ... In all honesty, this is the subject I have had the very worst problems with, but ONLY with those calling themselves Christians...almost ALL Christians I have come across, simply will not accept The Love of The Lord, nor practice it, also it is the thing they spend the very least of time on, so it's no wonder it's almost all going to pot as they say...They would much much rather spend time getting people all in knots over disputable things they come across in the Bible, so they can argue over who is the 'best' , always a competition...That is of the world, not the Spirit...Bless you for keeping it in the right place

 

[Stranger]

ByGrace and Pia

Just because we are to have the love of God in us, does not mean we are not to be correct in our doctrine. We are to love and to have a correct doctrine.

Jesus Christ constantly defended His doctrine against Pharisees, Sadducees, lawyers, Scribes etc. And He taught many things concerning the 'Kingdom'. (Matt. 13:51-52) "Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."

It is no wonder that so many of yall on this forum believe we do not need the Bible, or that the Bible is not the Word of God. You just need love. Love and Jesus is all you need. The Bible just apparently gets in the way of all that.

Well, if the Bible gets in the way of all that, you had better rethink your position. I know, I know, I can hear it already. The Bible is not the Word, Jesus is the Word, and I have Jesus. Ok. Then chunk that Bible as far as you can send it and quite quoting it.

Stranger

 

[Davy]

NO!!
AS long as we are ready and have oil in our lamps...Endtime doctrine with all the i's dotted and all the T's crossed matter little.

I have said before and I will continue saying...A man can have perfect doctrine ...yet treat his family roughly, he may kick his dog, and not care one bit about his neighbours or anyone but himself...but hey, he has perfect doctrine eh. So he must be a good guy, right, Wrong.

God will not check out our perfect doctrine in the Kingdom...but He will examine our heart and what we did or didn't do in or with, Love.

I'm sorry, but no matter how pleasant sounding you may make it, that's simply not what our Lord Jesus and His Apostles showed us in His Word about the end of this world. And it's certainly not about any such ideas of debate over a "perfect doctrine".

It's about understanding and heeding Christ's warnings in His Word about the end, and thus being blessed by it:

Rev 1:1-3
1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
KJV


One of the major warnings in Revelation is about the coming "another beast" of Rev.13 that will work great signs and miracles to deceive. It's the same warning Jesus gave us in His Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13. It's the same warning Apostle Paul gave in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the "man of sin", and also in 2 Corinthians 11 about the "another Jesus", and how Paul said he was afraid brethren might believe on that "another Jesus" instead of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So by what you're saying, it's OK if we worship that "another Jesus" (Antichrist) that's coming, as long as we can show Jesus when He does come, that we were doing it out of love, and really didn't intend to upset Him? And I gurantee you, our Lord Jesus would be upset with us if we fell away to worship this coming Antichrist He and His Apostles warned us about.

Now for those who get what I'm saying, I left you some important Scriptures above to go search, read, and heed, about that coming false one, so you might be prepared if it happens in your day.

 

[Helen]

I'm sorry, but no matter how pleasant sounding you may make it, that's simply not what our Lord Jesus and His Apostles showed us in His Word about the end of this world. And it's certainly not about any such ideas of debate over a "perfect doctrine".

It's about understanding and heeding Christ's warnings in His Word about the end, and thus being blessed by it:

Rev 1:1-3
1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
KJV


One of the major warnings in Revelation is about the coming "another beast" of Rev.13 that will work great signs and miracles to deceive. It's the same warning Jesus gave us in His Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13. It's the same warning Apostle Paul gave in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the "man of sin", and also in 2 Corinthians 11 about the "another Jesus", and how Paul said he was afraid brethren might believe on that "another Jesus" instead of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So by what you're saying, it's OK if we worship that "another Jesus" (Antichrist) that's coming, as long as we can show Jesus when He does come, that we were doing it out of love, and really didn't intend to upset Him? And I gurantee you, our Lord Jesus would be upset with us if we fell away to worship this coming Antichrist He and His Apostles warned us about.

Now for those who get what I'm saying, I left you some important Scriptures above to go search, read, and heed, about that coming false one, so you might be prepared if it happens in your day.

So you say. I stand where I stand.
But, 'whatever', ......time will tell.

 

[pia]

So you say. I stand where I stand.
But, 'whatever', ......time will tell.

Many seem to like adding many burdens and conditions to Christs Love.......Jesus' opinion on this is written in the gospels for those reading it, and the truth of His love is experienced in those who draw near...

 

[Davy]

So you say. I stand where I stand.
But, 'whatever', ......time will tell.

Well, it's not really about what I say. It's about what our Lord said in His Word. I'm not making up my own doctrine. I'm merely covering what our Lord Jesus and His Apostles taught, even the controversial parts which many struggle with. If I cover a Biblical matter, like I did in my last post to you, and others go check it out and find that what I said aligns with what is written, then it's not my doctrine, it's God's Word as written. That is what I strive to do, which is why it rubs so many raw on these forums, because many seem to think that once they have believed on Jesus that He made them a prophet for something when He didn't. It's better to stick to His Word, for all things will be measured by It.

 

[H. Richard]

Well, it's not really about what I say. It's about what our Lord said in His Word. I'm not making up my own doctrine. I'm merely covering what our Lord Jesus and His Apostles taught, even the controversial parts which many struggle with. If I cover a Biblical matter, like I did in my last post to you, and others go check it out and find that what I said aligns with what is written, then it's not my doctrine, it's God's Word as written. That is what I strive to do, which is why it rubs so many raw on these forums, because many seem to think that once they have believed on Jesus that He made them a prophet for something when He didn't. It's better to stick to His Word, for all things will be measured by It.

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Rom 4:1-8 Abraham Justified by Faith (Gen 17:10)
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
NKJV

 

[Helen]

Well, it's not really about what I say. It's about what our Lord said in His Word. I'm not making up my own doctrine. I'm merely covering what our Lord Jesus and His Apostles taught, even the controversial parts which many struggle with. If I cover a Biblical matter, like I did in my last post to you, and others go check it out and find that what I said aligns with what is written, then it's not my doctrine, it's God's Word as written. That is what I strive to do, which is why it rubs so many raw on these forums, because many seem to think that once they have believed on Jesus that He made them a prophet for something when He didn't. It's better to stick to His Word, for all things will be measured by It.

I know, I get that...but you speak almost as if it is life and death that everyone believes the end-time revelations " just like you" because you have it all nailed down and perfectly in order.

I just choose to not agree with that.
The prophetical doctrines and their outworking are not critical to our salvation..being found in Christ at His coming , with a clean heart and a faith in God who called us, is more important than thinking that we have all the doctrinal i's dotted and T's crossed, as I said before.
You can only "believe" that you have everything shipshaped and correct...you may, but then the other three guys also believe that they too have prophesy don't pat too.

So, NO, doctrine and trying to understand everything and all prophesy that will or wont happen in the end time is not as vital you you believe.
Having a hearing hear, at all times open to the Holy Spirit is much more vital. " Moses endured seeing Him who is invisible.." Where he was in the Spirit was much more important that what prophesy he understood.
Hebrews 11 " These all died in faith..."

I see that we will not agree on this...and that is just fine too.

Bless you Helen

 

[Jay Ross]

I know, I get that...but you speak almost as if it is life and death that everyone believes the end-time revelations " just like you" because you have it all nailed down and perfectly in order.

I just choose to not agree with that.
The prophetical doctrines and their outworking are not critical to our salvation..being found in Christ at His coming , with a clean heart and a faith in God who called us, is more important than thinking that we have all the doctrinal i's dotted and T's crossed, as I said before.
You can only "believe" that you have everything shipshaped and correct...you may, but then the other three guys also believe that they too have prophesy don't pat too.

So, NO, doctrine and trying to understand everything and all prophesy that will or wont happen in the end time is not as vital you you believe.
Having a hearing hear, at all times open to the Holy Spirit is much more vital. " Moses endured seeing Him who is invisible.." Where he was in the Spirit was much more important that what prophesy he understood.
Hebrews 11 " These all died in faith..."

I see that we will not agree on this...and that is just fine too.

Bless you Helen

We all get it wrong with regards to the End Time Prophecies, there are signposts that we do not understand fully and events that we all miss understand as to what they are and when they will unfold.

ByGrace, your focus on preparing your heart such that you will be found doing the things that are important to God's heart is all that matters. Focusing on and spending much time on what might be with regards to the End times means that our hearts are focused on the "me" person and not on blessing others with the Love that God expect us to provide to them.

Shalom

 

[Davy]

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Rom 4:1-8 Abraham Justified by Faith (Gen 17:10)
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
NKJV

Once again, you show you don't understand the difference between God's Grace through Faith on His Son's death and resurrection compared to walking with Jesus and repenting to Him of future slip ups (1 John 1).

Those who don't like admitting they still sin after having believed on Jesus are in rebellion against Him.

No where have I said, or implied that the believer won't be saved by Jesus even if they refuse to repent of future sins. As a matter of fact, I never explained per Scripture just what can... happen to those rebellious believers on Jesus Christ.

Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?"

23 And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."
KJV

Just who are those that prophesy in Jesus' name, and in Jesus name cast out devils, and in Jesus' name have done many wonderful works? Believers on Him, of course. That is a portion of the Church our Lord Jesus was speaking that about.

Why will He claim those "work iniquity" even after their having done those wonderful works in His name?

It's because He's pointing to those who believe but then go about doing iniquity because they think they cannot sin anymore, thus they no longer check to see if they're sinning.

 

[Copperhead]

Came across this video yesterday. An interesting take on the Rapture idea. It may be no more valid than any other theory, but it does have some fascinating ideas. Worth watching, even if one disagrees. I have not quite seen this take on the issue quite presented like this before.

 

[Copperhead]

I find no snatching away patterns in the bible.

A case could be made for Noah. God ordered him and his family into the ark and then sealed them in for 7 days prior to the destruction of life on the earth. And this was in the 600th year of Noah's life, which could be an illusion to 6000 years as they related to the 6 days of creation and 6 days of the week. That this sealing away of the righteous could be at the 6000th year and for a period of 7 days (See 70th week of Daniel). That could be a pattern right there. Maybe a little gray area but there is some substance there.

But we are indeed the body of Messiah. David is a representation of Messiah from a prophetic standpoint. When Absalom (Av Shalom = Father of Peace) established himself over Israel, which is a foreshadowing of the false messiah to come who claims to be the true messiah and establishes himself over things, David, along with those loyal to him, hid in Hebron (Hevron = heaven) for 7 years until Absalom was defeated. After Absalom's defeat, David was reestablished as King in Jerusalem, as will Yeshua after the defeat of the false messiah.

There are pictures and types all through scripture. The harvest regulations of Leviticus 23 are a foreshadowing of the gathering of those that are in Messiah. Yeshua Himself pointed us to the harvest, Matthew 9 and 13 for example. Now look at the Law regarding the harvest. There is the first fruits, which is Messiah (risen on the Feast of First Fruits) at his resurrection and the OT saints that were resurrected at the time of His death and were seen by many of the people as per Matthew 27:52-53. The requirement of the harvest is that the first fruits be waved before God. This is why Messiah told Mary not to hold onto Him as He had not ascended yet to the Father in order to fulfill that requirement of waving the resurrected First Fruits before the Father. That then leaves the harvest itself, which will occur at a later time, most feel at the start of the 7 year period including the Great Tribulation. That then leaves the corners of the fields, which are the gleanings. Those will be the ones who come to faith in Messiah during that tumultuous time. They are to be harvested at the end of the period.

This is the Midrash approach to prophecy. That it is pattern as much as it is prediction.

The First Fruits are harvested first. Then the main harvest. Then the corner gleanings. Each in its own time, one after the other, per the Torah.


Think of a hologram. It looks like a dark room mistake until it is illuminated with the light that produced it. When in doubt about most anything, look at any of the requirements in the Tanakh (OT) and stick Yeshua right in the middle of it and it is illuminated. After all... Yeshua Himself said the volume of the book was written of Him.

 

[Naomi25]

NO!!
AS long as we are ready and have oil in our lamps...Endtime doctrine with all the i's dotted and all the T's crossed matter little.

I have said before and I will continue saying...A man can have perfect doctrine ...yet treat his family roughly, he may kick his dog, and not care one bit about his neighbours or anyone but himself...but hey, he has perfect doctrine eh. So he must be a good guy, right, Wrong.

God will not check out our perfect doctrine in the Kingdom...but He will examine our heart and what we did or didn't do in or with, Love.

I imagine he'll want to find a love of truth, and of his Word, as well, buried within our hearts. I do agree with you, that good doctrine matters little if you pay it no heed within your heart...in how you live. But that concession should not discount how important it can be to making our paths straight towards God through sound study of his word,which is his truth.

End Times is not essential...it's not one of those doctrines that determine salvation, so it's not AS important, and we can expect differences within the theology that surrounds it. But should that mean we dismiss it's importance entirely? There is enough written in the bible about Christ's return, his Parousia, and the End of this Age, that I cannot comprehend any Christian who does not think on it.

Yes Jesus coming to save us is MASSIVE. The bible is the story of God and his glory...sending his Son to redeem mankind by dying in our place is nothing short of breath taking. But we must remember that that 'act' has not been fully consummated. Completed, yes, consummated, no. Yes Jesus defeated death...he rose from the grave, but it truly won't be finished until death in it's entirety has been defeated. That only happens at his second coming. For Christians to ignore the importance of that event means that they think that this...this, is all he died for. That is not what the bible teaches. For God's glory to be greatest, be complete, Christ must return, finish his ultimate defeat of death and return the world to Shalom...the state we were in in the Garden of Eden before sin entered the world.


But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. - 1 Cor 15:23-26

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”


55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”

- 1 Cor 15:51-55

 

[Davy]

Sadly, we have created a time line that does not reflect the reality of what is recorded in the scriptures.

It's actually your timeline here that does not align with the reality of what is recorded in the Scriptures.

For example, the Bowl judgement/prophesied event of Revelation 16: 17-21 has already happened and as far as I can discern, this bowl judgement/prophesied event has been completely played out. It is the seventh recorded bowl judgement/prophesied event. Revelation 16:17-21 describes a series of events that occurred around 100 years ago.

That 7th Vial (or bowl) is the very last event of this present world. It includes the final battle of this world, Armageddon. It has not... happened yet.

Another example is the Bowl Judgement/prophesied event of Revelation 16:12-16, which is still unfolding at this present time and will end in our near future, probably within the next 20 -30 years at Armageddon when the power base of this present world will become radically different for a period of 1,000 years. This bowl judgement/prophesied event began many years ago when the Baal religion/worship seemed to disappear or dried up from the face of the earth and the fourth beast in league with the Little Horn began to blaspheme God. Also in the bowl judgement/prophesied event, the Little Horn, in league with the third beast, began the trampling of God's sanctuary around the year 250 B.C. which will also end within the next 20-30 years at Armageddon when God will judge the wicked fallen heavenly hosts, in heaven, and the kings of the earth, on the earth, and they will be gathered together and imprisoned in the abyss/pit for many days before they are finally punished. (Isaiah 24:21-22)

On the Rev.16:15 verse, Jesus is warning His Church that He comes "as a thief". So His gathering of the Church still has not happened yet at that point of the 6th Vial. None of these Vials have happened yet today. They are set to occur only in the final generation.

 

[Copperhead]

And many timelines presuppose that Revelation is sequential in order. That may not be the case. It comes across as more of a layered approach. But then, since it comes from a God that is several dimensions more than anything we can perceive, it is not a bizarre idea that Revelation would take on some of that.

 

[Jay Ross]

It's actually your timeline here that does not align with the reality of what is recorded in the Scriptures.



That 7th Vial (or bowl) is the very last event of this present world. It includes the final battle of this world, Armageddon. It has not... happened yet.



On the Rev.16:15 verse, Jesus is warning His Church that He comes "as a thief". So His gathering of the Church still has not happened yet at that point of the 6th Vial. None of these Vials have happened yet today. They are set to occur only in the final generation.

Davy, I am so sorry for you and your understanding of the scriptures. Perhaps if you considered the historical facts of WW1 and the events that occurred in the Middle Eastern campaign then a glimmer of light might just begin to illuminate your understanding.

G:4578 translated as "earthquakes" is a misrepresentation of the actual meaning of the Greek word found in this passage. The Greek word σεισμὸς is better understood to have the meaning of turmoil which is a great word to use to describe "war" where much killing occurs in all of its forms.

As a side issue, Peleg's Hebrew name according to Strong H:6389 also has the meaning of "earthquake/turmoil" and during the turmoil that God created during the time of the construction of the Tower of Babel, it caused the various families to disburse across the land towards the four corners of the earth. This was recent discovery that I made as I was coming to the end of compiling a data base of the Greek Root words for my use as a study tool to understanding the Greek texts.

My experience is that where turmoil exists people move away from it where they can.

But it seems that you believe that you are the resident expert in all things scriptural.

Shalom

 

[Davy]

Davy, I am so sorry for you and your understanding of the scriptures. Perhaps if you considered the historical facts of WW1 and the events that occurred in the Middle Eastern campaign then a glimmer of light might just begin to illuminate your understanding.

G:4578 translated as "earthquakes" is a misrepresentation of the actual meaning of the Greek word found in this passage. The Greek word σεισμὸς is better understood to have the meaning of turmoil which is a great word to use to describe "war" where much killing occurs in all of its forms.

As a side issue, Peleg's Hebrew name according to Strong H:6389 also has the meaning of "earthquake/turmoil" and during the turmoil that God created during the time of the construction of the Tower of Babel, it caused the various families to disburse across the land towards the four corners of the earth. This was recent discovery that I made as I was coming to the end of compiling a data base of the Greek Root words for my use as a study tool to understanding the Greek texts.

My experience is that where turmoil exists people move away from it where they can.

But it seems that you believe that you are the resident expert in all things scriptural.

Shalom

I don't have to worry about misinterpreting the timing of those vials, because they are for the timing at the very end of this world, just as the seals and trumpets are too. They are for the final generation that would see those things, which is what Jesus taught in His Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13. The seals, trumpets, and vials are actually seven signs that Jesus gave in His Olivet Discourse.

Now we could debate when the final generation began... that I believe was in 1948 when Israel became a nation again, as God promised Judah that He would bring them back to the land and never move them out again, which so far 1948 is the pointer to that today. Some believe it was with the 1967 war when Israel took back all of Jerusalem.

 

[Davy]

And many timelines presuppose that Revelation is sequential in order. That may not be the case. It comes across as more of a layered approach. But then, since it comes from a God that is several dimensions more than anything we can perceive, it is not a bizarre idea that Revelation would take on some of that.

I well understand not all events given in Revelation are in sequential order. The events are only about 7 main signs Jesus gave in His Olivet Discourse. The seals, trumpets, and vials have parallel events in them. But the last 3 trumpets are sequential, and mark a blueprint for understanding the order of the other events.