The Holy Spirit

[JesusIsFaithful]

Well, what a breath of fresh air. A person who wants to directly experience the Holy Spirit for himself..up close and personal.
Bravo!

That was why I had thought pslane was a guy earlier.

"ByGrace"...you hold back far too much...

pslane is a female...just to everyone..

Okay. Thanks for the correction as I hope to avoid that oversight too.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

The last place that many christians go to for an answer is the Bible.

The Spirit of God


The Spirit of God or the Holy Spirit is God in action; whenever the Holy Spirit is mentioned, it means that God is doing something….God would not be God if He could not act.

Here are eight examples

1

Genesis 1:1-2 (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

2

Numbers 24:2 (ASV)
2 And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel dwelling according to their tribes; and the Spirit of God came upon him.

3

1 Chronicles 12:18 (ASV)
18 Then the Spirit came upon Amasai, who was chief of the thirty, and he said, Thine are we, David, and on thy side, thou son of Jesse: peace, peace be unto thee, and peace be to thy helpers; for thy God helpeth thee. Then David received them, and made them captains of the band.

4

Matthew 3:16 (ASV)
16 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him;

5

Matthew 12:28 (ASV)
28 But if I by the Spirit of God cast out demons, then is the kingdom of God come upon you.

6


Luke 1:35 (ASV)
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.

7

Luke 1:35 (NKJV)
35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.


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2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Once a believer has received the promise of the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ at the hearing of the gospel, they never need to ask for the Holy Spirit again otherwise, that would make the Father look evil as if He did not give the Holy Spirit as promised the first time for knocking at the door of Jesus Christ.

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

 

[verzanumi24]

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Once a believer has received the promise of the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ at the hearing of the gospel, they never need to ask for the Holy Spirit again otherwise, that would make the father look evil as if He did not give the Holy Spirit as promised the first time for knocking at the door of Jesus Christ.

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Your reply dreally don't anythig to do with mine though.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Your reply dreally don't anythig to do with mine though.

Just for clarity sake.

A lot of saved believers seem to think that the Holy Spirit can fall on them later on apart from salvation. Something did happen to them, but that was not the Holy Spirit. They may be reading some of your verses as if the Holy Spirit moving on them as in falling on them apart from salvation is the Holy Spirit doing something. Again, that is not the Holy Spirit doing that when He dwells in them by faith in Jesus Christ and cannot be received or have Him fall upon us or move on us at any other time in our lives so that we are led by the Spirit to bear witness of Jesus Christ, the Good News to man.

 

[101G]

I disagree. I don't believe Jesus to be the Holy Spirit, I certainly don't believe him to be God Almighty,The Son of God yes, meaning Jesus is the Son of God Almighty,not God Almighty Himself.

GINOLJC, to all

Well, that's your opinion. but consider this.
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

here in this verse the LORD all caps said that he alone by himself created and made allthings.

now let's go to John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".

Please explain how the LORD all caps says it was him alone that made all thing, but in John 1:3 the Word who we know is the Lord Jesus said he made all things.

do we have a contradiction? I don't believe so. but will you explain how the Lord made everything and the LORD said he made everything.

I'll be looking for your answer.

PCY

 

[BEB1956]

GINOLJC, to all

Well, that's your opinion. but consider this.
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

here in this verse the LORD all caps said that he alone by himself created and made allthings.

now let's go to John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".

Please explain how the LORD all caps says it was him alone that made all thing, but in John 1:3 the Word who we know is the Lord Jesus said he made all things.

do we have a contradiction? I don't believe so. but will you explain how the Lord made everything and the LORD said he made everything.

I'll be looking for your answer.

PCY

Well, that's your opinion. but consider this.
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

here in this verse the LORD all caps said that he alone by himself created and made allthings.

now let's go to John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".

Please explain how the LORD all caps says it was him alone that made all thing, but in John 1:3 the Word who we know is the Lord Jesus said he made all things.

do we have a contradiction? I don't believe so. but will you explain how the Lord made everything and the LORD said he made everything.

I'll be looking for your answer.

PCY[/QUOTE]

GINOLJC, to all

Well, that's your opinion. but consider this.
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

here in this verse the LORD all caps said that he alone by himself created and made allthings.

now let's go to John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made".

Please explain how the LORD all caps says it was him alone that made all thing, but in John 1:3 the Word who we know is the Lord Jesus said he made all things.

do we have a contradiction? I don't believe so. but will you explain how the Lord made everything and the LORD said he made everything.

I'll be looking for your answer.

PCY

It's my understanding Whenever the word "LORD" is spelled in all capital letters it's because what was there originally was the tetragram which as I understand it was the four Hebrew consonants "YHWH" which represent the personal name of The True God. I know that some people say the tetragram is pronounced, Jehovah or Yahweh, but no one knows how the tetragram is pronounce, sol honestly I don't think it was pronounced Jesus . I know the Scriptures call both God and his only begotten son Jesus, "Lord," but the translations of the Bible that use Lord for both I think confuse people. Now what do I mean by that right? Well in many translations at Romans 10:13 it says,"for everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved." Many people think that the name that they should be calling is Jesus, but many Bibles at that Scripture have a little letter beside the word Lord and when you go to the margins of those Bibles and look up the letter that was beside the word Lord you see,"Yahweh, or Jehovah" is the name you are to call on to be saved. Why is that? I want to know why Jesus says at John 20:17 that his Father is our Father and his God is our God. Even in Revelations Jesus is said to have a God. Now I know I'm not the smartest person in the world but God doesn't have a Father or a God. The scriptures show that Jesus has both. From my examination of the Bible Jesus was the only begotten son of God before he became human, he was the only begotten son when he was human and now that he is in heaven as a powerful spiritual being he still is the only begotten son of God, he has been given more power and authority yes, but doesn't God already have all power and authority, doesn't the fact that Jesus is given more power and authority show that he isn't God. How can God be given more power and authority, he didn't have all power and authority before? There are too many Scriptures that show that, "YHWH" is the only True God, and Jesus is the only begotten son of "YHWH" (LORD)

 

[mjrhealth]

Quite Simply God Himself.

Now how can that be,

Joh_7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

and

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
All have same attributes as God, all part of God, but not God.

There is only one God...

 

[Taken]

Now how can that be,

Joh_7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

and

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
All have same attributes as God, all part of God, but not God.

There is only one God...

Of course there is ONLY ONE GOD!

Didn't say otherwise.

The WISDOM of God is; Understanding the Specific "make up" OF GOD.

Is God simply a string of Names, or Titles?
No.

Is God simply this unseen thing that "talks"?
No.

Is God simply this unseen thing that "is Complete Power" ? No.

Are men simply a string of names, titles, talkers, powerful? No.

God created man IN HIS LIKENESS and HIS IMAGE.

The big picture is .... Mankind FAILED to maintain THAT "likeness and image" of God.

The big picture is...... God has PROVIDED mankind a WAY....to ONCE AGAIN....become "MADE" in Gods "likeness and image".

The big picture is......Every INDIVIDUAL gets to decide "IF" he DOES or DOES NOT want to "CHOOSE" to become "MADE" in Gods "likeness and image".

No one can DECIDE FOR the INDIVIDUAL man "FOR HIM"....it's ALL up to INDIVIDUALS to Decide and Choose FOR THEMSELVES.

IF a man IS CHOOSING to be "MADE" IN Gods "likeness and image"....

How can ANY man do that.......IF they do not know WHAT Gods "Likeness and Image" IS?

The Scripture IS the written WORD of men, who are TESTIFYING of their their KNOWLEDGE of the "Likeness and Image" of God.

Other men can hear, and read, these testimonies....and Believe them, or not.

Yes, there is ONLY ONE GOD....and ALL THE attributes, characteristics, names, titles, etc.
That REVEAL knowledge ABOUT THIS ONE ...
Lord God Almighty....are REVEALED in Scripture....for any man to choose to Believe....and become MADE in His Likeness and Image........OR NOT.

Who is the Holy Spirit? God Himself.
Who is the Word of God? God Himself.
Who is the Christ? God Himself.
Who is the Power of God? God Himself.
Who is the Spirit of God? God Himself.
Who is the Seed of God? God Himself.
Who is the Creator of all things? God Himself.
Who is the Maker of all things? God Himself.
Who is the Quickening Spirit? God Himself.
Who is the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, the first the last, the Ever lasting, without beginning, without ending, without fault, without darkness, without mother, without father.....? God Himself.
Who "IS" that "HE IS"...on and on and on? God Himself.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[mjrhealth]

Of course there is ONLY ONE GOD!

Didn't say otherwise.

The WISDOM of God is; Understanding the Specific "make up" OF GOD.

Is God simply a string of Names, or Titles?
No.

Is God simply this unseen thing that "talks"?
No.

Is God simply this unseen thing that "is Complete Power" ? No.

Are men simply a string of names, titles, talkers, powerful? No.

God created man IN HIS LIKENESS and HIS IMAGE.

The big picture is .... Mankind FAILED to maintain THAT "likeness and image" of God.

The big picture is...... God has PROVIDED mankind a WAY....to ONCE AGAIN....become "MADE" in Gods "likeness and image".

The big picture is......Every INDIVIDUAL gets to decide "IF" he DOES or DOES NOT want to "CHOOSE" to become "MADE" in Gods "likeness and image".

No one can DECIDE FOR the INDIVIDUAL man "FOR HIM"....it's ALL up to INDIVIDUALS to Decide and Choose FOR THEMSELVES.

IF a man IS CHOOSING to be "MADE" IN Gods "likeness and image"....

How can ANY man do that.......IF they do not know WHAT Gods "Likeness and Image" IS?

The Scripture IS the written WORD of men, who are TESTIFYING of their their KNOWLEDGE of the "Likeness and Image" of God.

Other men can hear, and read, these testimonies....and Believe them, or not.

Yes, there is ONLY ONE GOD....and ALL THE attributes, characteristics, names, titles, etc.
That REVEAL knowledge ABOUT THIS ONE ...
Lord God Almighty....are REVEALED in Scripture....for any man to choose to Believe....and become MADE in His Likeness and Image........OR NOT.

Who is the Holy Spirit? God Himself.
Who is the Word of God? God Himself.
Who is the Christ? God Himself.
Who is the Power of God? God Himself.
Who is the Spirit of God? God Himself.
Who is the Seed of God? God Himself.
Who is the Creator of all things? God Himself.
Who is the Maker of all things? God Himself.
Who is the Quickening Spirit? God Himself.
Who is the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, the first the last, the Ever lasting, without beginning, without ending, without fault, without darkness, without mother, without father.....? God Himself.
Who "IS" that "HE IS"...on and on and on? God Himself.

God Bless,
Taken

Why you telling me, Ive met Him and Jesus... and teh devil and his mate the spirit of death, Jesus so much more fun. Thank God that God loves us as He does if only men could see it..

 

[Taken]

From my examination of the Bible Jesus was the only begotten son of God before he became human, he was the only begotten son when he was human and now that he is in heaven as a powerful spiritual being he still is the only begotten son of God, he has been given more power and authority yes, but doesn't God already have all power and authority, doesn't the fact that Jesus is given more power and authority show that he isn't God. How can God be given more power and authority, he didn't have all power and authority before? There are too many Scriptures that show that, "YHWH" is the only True God, and Jesus is the only begotten son of "YHWH" (LORD)

I differ...

God created man IN HIS LIKENESS.
God didn't create gods, He created man, IN HIS LIKENESS.

How did "Jesus", become an earthly man, men call "HUMANS"?

I differ...
I agree with Scripture,
Jesus IS the FORM of God...Phil 2:6
Jesus WAS MADE to appeared TO mankind,
IN THE LIKENESS of mankind....Phil 2:7

Men Can NOT SEE the "FORM" of God.
Men CAN SEE the "FORM" of Men.

Jesus IS the FORM of God.
Jesus "TOOK UPON HIMSELF" the FORM of Men.....so MEN COULD SEE HIM.

WHEN MEN, take UPON THEM the "FORM" of God....DO THEY BECOME GOD? No.

WHEN JESUS, took UPON HIMSELF the "FORM" of Man....WHY DO MEN "MAKE" Jesus a HUMAN MAN....?

Does Scripture not teach ALL HUMAN MEN come from DUST OF THE EARTH? Yes.

Does Scripture Teach Jesus came from DUST of the Earth? No.

John 17:8
Jesus came out from God ~
Not the Dust of the Earth.

WHO can COME OUT OF...OUT FROM...God...
But God Himself?

When Gods Word comes OUT FROM GOD...
It is God Himself...coming forth.

When Gods Spirit comes OUT FROM GOD...
It is God Himself...coming forth.

When Gods Seed comes OUT FROM GOD...
It is God Himself...coming forth.

It doesn't matter WHAT Name or Title God says to Call, Him, His Word, His Power, His Spirit, His Seed, His Knowledge, His Understanding, His Wisdom, His LIKENESS...
His IMAGE........it is ALL GOD HIMSELF.

GOD DOES NOT REPRODUCE, ANYTHING.
Certainly NOT Himself.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for God to REPRODUCE.
God CREATES, and then MAKES the things He created CHANGE, in a MANNER He decides, and He decides is Acceptable TO Him.

God IS EVERLASTING. He has NO BEGINNING.

To IMPLY God PRODUCED "something", BY DEFAULT the "something" WOULD HAVE A BEGINNING.

What comes forth OUT OF GOD, IS GOD. It has NO beginning or ending.

Gods Word comes forth OUT from God. It has no beginning or ending.

Gods Spirit comes forth OUT from God. It has no beginning or ending.

Gods Knowledge, Wisdom, Understanding, Light, comes forth OUT from God. It has no beginning or ending.

God has revealed HIS SEED.
His Seed IS HIS WORD.
His WORD, God described, and Called by a Name He Chose....just as you chose your name for your word, and revealed it on this forum..."BEB1956".
Mark 4:14

The Gospel of Mark going forward reveals more.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Why you telling me,

I am conferring with you in agreement, as a brother "IN" Christ.
For your benefit? No, for those standing by; not in agreement, not knowing.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[BEB1956]

I differ...

God created man IN HIS LIKENESS.
God didn't create gods, He created man, IN HIS LIKENESS.

How did "Jesus", become an earthly man, men call "HUMANS"?

I differ...
I agree with Scripture,
Jesus IS the FORM of God...Phil 2:6
Jesus WAS MADE to appeared TO mankind,
IN THE LIKENESS of mankind....Phil 2:7

Men Can NOT SEE the "FORM" of God.
Men CAN SEE the "FORM" of Men.

Jesus IS the FORM of God.
Jesus "TOOK UPON HIMSELF" the FORM of Men.....so MEN COULD SEE HIM.

WHEN MEN, take UPON THEM the "FORM" of God....DO THEY BECOME GOD? No.

WHEN JESUS, took UPO inN HIMSELF the "FORM" of Man....WHY DO MEN "MAKE" Jesus a HUMAN MAN....?

Does Scripture not teach ALL HUMAN MEN come from DUST OF THE EARTH? Yes.

Does Scripture Teach Jesus came from DUST of the Earth? No.

John 17:8
Jesus came out from God ~
Not the Dust of the Earth.

WHO can COME OUT OF...OUT FROM...God...
But God Himself?

When Gods Word comes OUT FROM GOD...
It is God Himself...coming forth.

When Gods Spirit comes OUT FROM GOD...
It is God Himself...coming forth.

When Gods Seed comes OUT FROM GOD...
It is God Himself...coming forth.

It doesn't matter WHAT Name or Title God says to Call, Him, His Word, His Power, His Spirit, His Seed, His Knowledge, His inUnderstanding, His Wisdom, His LIKENESS...
His IMAGE........it is ALL GOD HIMSELF.

GOD DOES NOT REPRODUCE, ANYTHING.
Certainly NOT Himself.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for God to REPRODUCE.
God CREATES, and then MAKES the things He created CHANGE, in a MANNER He decides, and He decides is Acceptable TO Him.

God IS EVERLASTING. He has NO BEGINNING.

To IMPLY God PRODUCED "something", BY DEFAULT the "something" WOULD HAVE A BEGINNING.

What comes forth OUT OF GOD, IS GOD. It has NO beginning or ending.

Gods Word comes forth OUT from God. It has no beginning or ending.


Gods Knowledge, Wisdom, Understanding, Light, comes forth OUT from God

I believe Jesus used the expression "The Son of man" more than any other when referring to himself, by doing so I believe he showed that he was neither a materialized angel nor an incarnation.Rather, he was fully human. God by his holy spirit, transferred his son's life from heaven to earth, causing conception in the womb of the virgin girl Mary. As a result, Jesus was born as a perfect, sinless human.
One of the things I can't seem to understand is that people want me to deny that God sent his son to earth as a human, The only begotten son who is the Word became flesh.(the only begotten son became flesh, not God). By your belief it seems to be denying that the Son of God became flesh, and denying that God sent his only begotten son to earth.

I truly believe that it's important for God to have a personal name, why did "YHWH" which is the four Hebrew consonants that represent the personal name of God appear 7,000 times in The Hebrew Scriptures(old testament) alone. Also God wants this name to be made known to all the nations. This personal name seems to be important to God. When Moses asked God how he should respond if the Israelites were to ask him who had sent him to them, God replied: "You are to say to the sons of Israel: 'Yahweh, the God of your Fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name for all time; by this name I shall be invoked for all generations to come."(Exodus 3:15) [Many pronounce "YHWH" Jehovah others pronounce it "Yahweh"]

 

[Helen]

Just for clarity sake.

A lot of saved believers seem to think that the Holy Spirit can fall on them later on apart from salvation. Something did happen to them, but that was not the Holy Spirit. They may be reading some of your verses as if the Holy Spirit moving on them as in falling on them apart from salvation is the Holy Spirit doing something. Again, that is not the Holy Spirit doing that when He dwells in them by faith in Jesus Christ and cannot be received or have Him fall upon us or move on us at any other time in our lives so that we are led by the Spirit to bear witness of Jesus Christ, the Good News to man.

I find this post confusing...sorry..
I can't tell which side of the fence you are falling here?

I can't agree or not agree, because I don't understand what you are saying!

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I find this post confusing...sorry..
I can't tell which side of the fence you are falling here?

I can't agree or not agree, because I don't understand what you are saying!

Those who speak in tongues which never comes with interpretation claim they got that tongue when they said the Holy Spirit fell on them later on in life apart from when they were saved. Because of those believers, other believers will claim they sought to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation with evidence of tongues when tongues are not to serve as a sign towards the believers as proof that they had received the Holy Spirit; 1 Corinthians 14:22

A lot of believers will change their testimony to when they were saved after hearing the gospel to when they got that supernatural tongue that is just gibberish. That is why some believers say that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore you are not saved.

There is a book out stating that there are 3 baptisms of the Holy Spirit. A former co worker was speaking of the book and bragging that he believes there are 5 baptisms of the Holy Spirit as if from experience. And yet Ephesians 4:4-6 & 1 Corinthians 12:13 testify of what we all are supposed to share in being witnesses of the Son, the Good News to man.

Just limiting receiving the Holy Spirit by a number of extra baptisms doesn't stop there. A lot of believers will testify of the Holy Spirit visiting them with sensational signs in the flesh as found in slain in the spirit and the holy laughter movement where confusion reigns. 1 Corinthians 14:32-33

That was not the Holy Spirit falling on them when He dwells within us by faith in Jesus Christ when we had first believed in Him after hearing the gospel. 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 is Paul reminding believers of that truth because of the falling away from the faith spoken of earlier in that chapter which was to precede the events that will happen during the great tribulation. As that iniquity was to be so bad before the great tribulation, Paul reported that the iniquity was already at work back in his days to seduce believers to fall away from the faith in chasing after seducing spirits & doctrines of devils ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2 )

Wayward undiscerning believers will believe every spirit to be the Holy Spirit falling on them and so they give numerous other callings for believers to seek after to enjoy that supernatural phenomenon in one form of fashion or another. It is real.. granted there are fakers seeking to fit in those movements of the spirit, but that is not the Holy Spirit, but the spirit of the antichrist that exists outside of us in the world in stealing the spotlight from the Son in worship which the real indwelling Holy Spirit would never do as per the scriptures; John 15:26-27 & John 16:13-15

 

[Helen]

@JesusIsFaithful Thank you for the calcification.
Now I can clearly say that I cannot agree with you...because I am "one of them". lol
Saved in 1964 and was baptized in the Holy Spirit in 1968 four years later.
And...have prayed in tongues ever since. Especially when someone asks for prayer where I know no details,....He does though....so I let Him pray through me in the Spirit.

But, go ahead, believe whatever you are comfortable in believing.
Bless you ...H

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

@JesusIsFaithful Thank you for the calcification.
Now I can clearly say that I cannot agree with you...because I am "one of them". lol
Saved in 1964 and was baptized in the Holy Spirit in 1968 four years later.
And...have prayed in tongues ever since. Especially when someone asks for prayer where I know no details,....He does though....so I let Him pray through me in the Spirit.

But, go ahead, believe whatever you are comfortable in believing.
Bless you ...H

You do not find it odd how that phenomenon does not stop there after getting tongues apart from salvation?

Joyce Meyers said when she got tongues that it was a "sign" of God calling her into the ministry.

My former neighbor across the street had been a believer before that day she was reading her Bible in the kitchen when she claimed the Holy Spirit came over her and then spoke in tongues. Then she changed her testimony to that "sign" as when she got saved because she got it all at once.

They do not know what that spirit was. They only guess what it meant and used tongues as a sign or proof for something. It cannot be both, and I daresay, it is neither one.

You do not know what that was that came over you bringing tongues that never comes with interpretation. You just assumed and believed at face value when you should not have.

At this link below, may He show you how the Holy Spirit will NOT speak for why I say He is not using God's gift of tongues for uttering His prayers.

What Is the Truth About the Holy Spirit in John 16:13 in All Bibles?

 

[Helen]

@JesusIsFaithful
Sorry, but that is like telling a blind man who can now SEE...that he is wrong...he can not really see.
"A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument"

These things are too precious to me, for debate.

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all

It's my understanding Whenever the word "LORD" is spelled in all capital letters it's because what was there originally was the tetragram which as I understand it was the four Hebrew consonants "YHWH" which represent the personal name of The True God.

that's good for your understanding, but not God's.
second, the Tetragrammaton or YHWH is #1 not God's "PERSONAL" Name. why #2. because it's a verb and verbs are NOT "personal" names. see, "I AM THAT I AM" is the verb, H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. "I AM THAT I AM" identify "WHAT" he is and NOT "Who" he is. see the LORD is the Lord diversified in flesh. example Deuteronomy 10:17 "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward". see that? the LORD is the Lord.

one more,

Isaiah 51:22 "Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again".

THAT'S PLAIN and SIMPLE. Isaiah 51:22 "Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God

that's a double whammy, or three whammies and there are many more. but clearly, the Lord is the LORD. and "HE", not they, "is GOD".

I know that some people say the tetragram is pronounced, Jehovah or Yahweh, but no one knows how the tetragram is pronounce,
so l honestly I don't think it was pronounced Jesus

first, I'm glad you're honest. let me help you out. me, I like to go to the throat and get it over with. now if the name Jehovah or Yahweh was derived from the YHWH. scripture, Exodus 6:2 "And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them".

God said that Abraham did not know him by "JEHOVAH". question, can God lie? NO, God forbid. now listen to this, Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen".

ok, now my question, "why is Jehovah in Abraham's mouth then? he said Jehovah-jireh.

now I'll be back to give you the answer, but think on what is just happen here. either God LIED, again God forbid, or Abraham lied, I don't believe so. so 101G what are you saying? the bible lied, NO. so what gives.

just think on what you just READ or found out.

PCY.

 

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Sorry, but that is like telling a blind man who can now SEE...that he is wrong...he can not really see.
"A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument"

These things are too precious to me, for debate.

I have no wish to debate with you either. I accept that you are refusing to reconsider and discern that "experience" by His words. I leave you in His hands.

 

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The Holy Spirit now lives in your inner man to strengthen you and help you to do what you could not do without Him. God's kingdom authority, dominion, and majesty should be reigning in every believer's inner man.

"That He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man.....that you may be filled with all the fullness of God." - Ephesians 3:16,19

If our true desire is to have God enthroned in us -- well, that is all the difference. When we want God above all, we are willing --as Christ was willing -- to follow the Holy Spirit, even in the most dry and dark and painful times. This is the love of God.

The revelation that John the Baptist had concerning the Good News and his fresh revelation of the Kingdom must all be "pressed into." We cannot receive present truth revelation without enduring the press.

"The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the Kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it." - Luke 16:16

The most wicked of sinners is only one revelation away from salvation.