have obtained, trusted, after ye heard, believed, were sealed...[/QUOTE]
ReceivED
Have obtainED
TrustED
AFTER ye hearED
Ye believED
ReceivED
ObtainED
Were sealED
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
AFTER...Hearing
IF...."one BELIEVES"......"WHERE" ?
Already Established "WHERE'...
Rom 10:9
"IF" thou shalt "CONFESS".
AND
"IF" thou shalt "BELIEVE" "IN THINE HEART".
HEARING...."IS" How one "BEGINS" learning.
HEARING...."IS" receiving into a mans EARS.
What the natural EARS HEAR...
The THOUGHTS of the CARNAL MIND processes...what the EARS have HEARD.
A man WHO "KEEPS" Hearing / Reading the Word of God....
The POWER OF GOD, "GIFTS" the mans "HEART", with "FAITH" FROM GOD.
KEEP Hearing....KEEP Receiving FAITH from God.
STOP Hearing....LOSE Receiving FAITH from God.
KEEP Hearing....FAITH from God IS INCREASED "IN" the mans natural spirit IN his NATURAL HEART.
It "IS" "BY" and "THOUGH" the GIFT of FAITH to a Natural mans heart.....
THAT, a natural man "BECOMES" "ABLE" "TO" BELIEVE "IN HIS HEART"....AND....PREPARED "TO" MAKE a "CONFESSION OF his HEARTFELT" BELIEF!!!
That is why Jesus commanded His disciples to teach others
Yes. Teach others.
The ORDER of HOW TO LEARN TO BELIEVE;
"IN ONES HEART"!!!!
Hear, Hear, Hear and KEEP Hearing the Word of God.
Then Hear, Hear, Hear SOME MORE.
The More and More one HEARS...
The More and More God INCREASES their
Gift or FAITH "IN THEIR HEART".
The ... RECEIVING of "FAITH" "IN" ones "HEART"........."IS a gift from God".....
That "GIFT" is GIVEN...."BECAUSE" the man has "FREELY" chosen "TO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD".
If the man "FREELY" chooses TO STOP "hearing"....the man STOPS receiving Gods Gift of "FAITH".
"ONCE" the NATURAL Heart of a man "HAS" received "FAITH" from God....
The man has ANOTHER "FREEWILL" choice TO MAKE.....OR NOT.
And the mans "FREEWILL" Choice "IS" to "CONFESS" FROM the thoughts of his HEART;
TO Christ....the mans TRUE HEARTFELT BELIEVE "IN" Christ.
"THEN"....COMES "OTHER" Gifts FROM GOD.
The "OTHER" Gifts?????
"CONVERSION"...of "MAKING" the natural man...DEAD...and the NEW MAN "WHOLE".
UNTIL the "CONVERSION" "IS" Accomplished.......
THE "SAVING"
THE "TRUSTING"
THE "spirit QUICKENING"
THE "forever" "FAITH-fullness"
THE "forever" "BELIEF"
THE "forever" "SEALING"
The "forever" "INDWELLING" Holy Spirit
The "forever" "WITH" the Lord
"IS" "NOT" "Accomplished!!!
is still by faith in Jesus Christ as
TEACHING "ABOUT" what "TO EXPECT"...
"A" "CONVERSION" to "accomplish"....
DOES NOT MEAN...the Student, ie the listeners.... HAVE ACCOMPLISHED.
REMEMBER....the crowds, the listeners....
WERE MIXED...
SOME were Accomplished...Converted..
SOME were NOT...Converted.
The Apostles "WERE"....Converted.
And when they spoke to a CROWD...saying ..
"WE" this, and "WE" that...
They were speaking ONLY of themselves...
And MEN who were "CONVERTED".
They were NOT speaking OF those hearing for the FIRST TIME....
If you place being saved as being converted as separate from believing in Him, then I have to disagree.
Then We disagree.
Because ANYONE hearing, can believe with their MIND, what they hear, AND REJECT what they Believe with their MIND, AT ANY TIME.
IOW...one day they can BELIEVE, then CHANGE their MIND another day, and NOT BELIEVE.
But not EVERYONE can BELIEVE with THEIR HEART, "UNTIL" they have been "GIFTED" with "FAITH FROM GOD".
And that man, CAN ALSO STOP receiving FAITH from GOD, and STOP BELIEVING..
It IS NOT UNTIL, a man "CONFESSES" BELIEF IN HIS HEART, "TO" the Lord....THAT A man BECOMES "CONVERTED".
WHY DOES a man "HAVE" TO CONFESS "TO" the Lord?
Why can't a man CALL on his neighbors NAME, CALL on his mothers NAME and CONFESS?
Because the Gift of Salvation, and Conversion is a GIFT "FROM" the Lord, not his neighbor or mother!
Calling on the Lords NAME...is directly "TO" Him that HAS THE GIFT to GIVE a man.
A man CAN CALL on the Lords NAME, "TO" ASK FOR the GIFT of SALVATION....
THREE WAYS....
1) eh, logically (mindfully), sounds good. Other option sounds like hell....so okay, I'll confess and avoid hell "IF" there is such a thing.
2) eh, monkey see, monkey do....observing an "ALTER" call. My friend walked down the aisle, and said they believed, eh, so will I.
3) Belief in ones Heart, and desires Gods gifts to FOREVER be IN and WITH God.
Guess WHICH "CONFESSION" the Lord IS LISTENING TO?
Rev 2:23
I AM HE which SEARTHETH the reins and HEARTS...
...obtain salvation by through the "Church".
Catholics 'CONFESS" sins to "their" "fathers".
Catholics "CONFESS" "FOR" their Childen.
Catholic Children participate in a Robotic Ceremony the "CHURCH" accepts as them being a "CONFIRMED" "member" of THAT Church.
Where IS THEIR genuine "INDIVIDUAL" HEARTFELT BELIEF being CONFESSED to the Lord Himself?
Supposedly, in a choreographed, Staged Ceremony.
Parents DO NOT save and quicken "spiritual" Children FOR THEM.
Churches ALLOWING a membership to "their" Church DO NOT save and quicken "spiritual" Children FOR THEM.
Ceremonies DO NOT save and quicken "spiritual" Children.
Heartfelt BELIEF and Confession TO the Lord,
Forgives, Kills the Body of SIN, Cleanses, Sanctifies, Saves, Quickens, FREES from Sin, Frees from the Consequences of Sin.......
ANYONE, BY and Through the POWER OF THE Lord.
So....IF a man HAS become FREED from sin, Freed from the consequence of sin, killed, cleansed, Sanctified, Quickened, Indwelt with the Holy Spirit, lives IN Christ's Body.....
How Does such a man CONTINUE TO SIN and Require Continual Forgiveness over and over?
Did the Lords FORGIVENESS FAIL?
Did the Lord FREEING from Sin Fail?
Does the Lord INDWELLING Power to KEEP the man FREE from SIN Fail?
Or do MEN, simply teach to NOT TRUST Gods internal Power?
Just know that because a believer is saved just by believing in Him,
JUST KNOW...men are weak, liars, crooks, thieves and corrupt.
God Provides the KNOWLEDGE....of "HIS" specific "BELIEF" requirement...FOR confession....FROM THE HEART.
The "BELIEF" scripture speaks of "according to GOD"... IS specifically "BELIEF" from a mans Heart.
Yet in scripture AND TODAY, there are many WHO CLAIM "BELIEF".... And HOW DO YOU KNOW....it it is BELIEF from their "MIND" or their "HEART" ?
"BY" what "THEY" say and DO.
My parents confessed for me...
The Church accepted me as a member...
I believed, was dipped in water...but no longer believe...
Ya, sure I "go" to Church, eat, text, visit, sing, dress the alter, recite scripture when prompted, kneel when prompted, mow the lawn, enjoy the entertainment, make great business contacts.
Pfft..!!
And HOW DO YOU KNOW....IF THEY "TRUST"
God?
"BY" what "THEY" say and DO.
Forgiven....but not really.
Saved....but not really.
Quickened....but not really.
Freed from sin...but not really.
Freed from sin consequences...but not really.
Have the HS within, and STILL SIN.
Pfft...!!
it does not mean they are followers of Him as His disciples.
"BEING" Converted PRECISELY means they have VOLUNTARILY "GIVEN" their "natural" Life "TO" the Lord, "THAT" by and through HIS POWER, "HE" has Converted their "natural" life INTO a "spiritual" LIFE FOREVER!
And "FOREVER", BY HIS "POWER" they shall FOREVER, BE FAITHFUL TO HIM ONLY...and He shall FOREVER, BE their Lord, their God.
That is why every believer will be judged by what they build on that foundation in that very day when God shall judge His House first before He comes back later on to judge the world. 1 Peter 4:17-19 & 1 Corinthians 3:10-17
Judging, Determining, IS ONGING.
Belief in the Mind....eh, the carnal mind is AGAINST GOD.
Belief in the Heart...effected BY and THROUGH Gods gift of Faith.
Confessing to the Lord...effected the Lords CONVERSION.
Thereafter WORKS that man does "TO" glorify the Lords NAME...a TALLY is Kept BY the Lord.
A TALLY, is the Lords EVIDENCE, the Lords RECORDS, of WHAT "additional" gifts/rewards the Lord SHALL give the man FOR Glorifying HIS NAME.
The "WORKS" a CONVERTED MAN DOES, that "DOES NOT GLORIFY" the Lords NAME...
No additional gifts, rewards, blessings, given.
They Receive NO Curse PUNISHMENT.
Those such WORKS are simply BURNED.
Works of AN UNCONVERTED MAN...."NIL".
"ALL" of their WORKS are BURNED.
"LIFE from their soul departed"...
....their soul burned.
"LIFE" from their body departed"...
....their body burned.
"LIFE" from their born again "spirit"...
....oh right...an Unconverted man NEVER
Received a "quickened" spirit. His "spirit" remains "natural" and is burned with his natural body.
THE WHOLE. (Body, soul, spirit) of a natural
UNCONVERTED man (and ALL of his works) shall be Destroyed By Fire, and become Eternal ASH, forever, Separated from the Lord, AND HIS people.
Simply a man CLAIMING "BELIEF"...
VOID OF
IF one does NOT "EXPRESS" precisely...
As Scripture teaches...
BELIEF in the Heart...."AND" converted..
...forgiven, saved, born again...
BUT claimed BELIEF....YET speaks AGAINST the Word of God..
A man....Just saying BELIEF....doesn't REVEAL the complete truth.
In his mind only, or in his heart?
Does he TRUST the Word of God, or Speak Against the Word of God.
To me...a man saying he BELIEVES...is revealed BY his own words...and his own "fruits"....
Saved, but not saved?
Born of God and still SINS AGAINST GOD?
Didn't confess, parents did it for him?
Rejects the Word of God?
Changes the Word of God?
Mary is the Savior?
Mary is the Intercessory?
Prayers TO dead people?
The Church Saves?
Men forgive SINS AGAINST God?
God dwells IN man while the man IS SINNING?
Eh...no.
God Bless,
Taken