Do you pray in tongues?

[lforrest]

Amos 3:7 Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

This isn't good news.

 

[mjrhealth]

as I believe those with oil in their lamps are those who operate in the gifts

No, those who have oil in there lamps are those who spent time with Christ, He is the bread of life, and when we eat (learn) from Him we get life and it fills us, something you cannot get from religion learning studying.

Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive:

But so few are willing to give Him the time, so few believe He is relevant for today, and so they have nothing.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Once while fasting and praying decades ago God said "you're going to see some hard things". I broke and wept for a long time. I knew it was the Lord.

I think those who would walk in the deeper things of God basically need to walk in not just prayer but prayer and fasting. I've fasted numerous times in my life and am returning to it right now. I am believing God for the big one in a few months.

I never told a soul but I saw in a dream our daughter being swept away in a flood and I could not reach her. She was killed at 15 in an automobile accident.

God may call this one and that one to a prophetic ministry. But it will be a ministry of weeping and prayers not of laughing. It is a sobering thing to hear from God on matters of the lives of men.

I have seen a few personal dreams that were similar, and very troubling, where a believer's life was actually threatened by a situation.

But I also see a great deal of good come from people being ministered to through dreams; they come alive in a sense, because they know the Lord is speaking to them in a very personal way. He no longer seems impersonal to what is going on in their private lives, but suddenly playing an active role. It also lifts their faith, so I choose to keep these things in mind, despite the stuff that's harder to take.

Sorry to hear about your daughter, brother. Your perseverance is a testimony of your love for God.

 

[Hidden In Him]

He is the bread of life, and when we eat (learn) from Him we get life and it fills us...
But so few are willing to give Him the time

We are most certainly in agreement on this part. His words are Spirit, and they are Life!

 

[Frank Lee]

It took me decades to begin to see God as a kind father. My own father was harsh and demanding and critical of nearly all I did. I saw Jesus as my friend but God the Father as a fearful God that was yet awaiting my failures. When I erred I always expected a blow but He forgave me knowing my heart was toward Him. Despite seeing miracles in our life I still was shy of God the Father.

Thanks be for His insight, wisdom, patience, love and grace. After forty years I now really call God my heavenly father.

I believe my condition is common and many Christians shrink from Him rather than turn to Him. If they will continue with Him they will see Him as He is.

Relationships I realized take time. Even the one you have with God. Time for us to get to know Him for He already knows us. He is patient looking on your willing heart. Praises be I can see the love and infinitely patient grace He has extended to me.

We start off as a servant when we are born again and are fillled with His Holy Spirit. But God realizes;

Proverbs 29:21 KJVS
He that delicately bringeth up his servant from a child shall have him become his son at the length.

Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift.

 

[amadeus]

No dreams about Trump but I believe the Lord elected Trump as a slow down of America's slide downhill.

Amen!

 

[Hidden In Him]

It took me decades to begin to see God as a kind father. My own father was harsh and demanding and critical of nearly all I did. I saw Jesus as my friend but God the Father as a fearful God that was yet awaiting my failures. When I erred I always expected a blow but He forgave me knowing my heart was toward Him. Despite seeing miracles in our life I still was shy of God the Father.

Thanks be for His insight, wisdom, patience, love and grace. After forty years I now really call God my heavenly father.

I believe my condition is common and many Christians shrink from Him rather than turn to Him. If they will continue with Him they will see Him as He is.

Relationships I realized take time. Even the one you have with God. Time for us to get to know Him for He already knows us. He is patient looking on your willing heart. Praises be I can see the love and infinitely patient grace He has extended to me.

We start off as a servant when we are born again and are fillled with His Holy Spirit. But God realizes;

Proverbs 29:21 KJVS
He that delicately bringeth up his servant from a child shall have him become his son at the length.

Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift.

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Wow. What a post....

 

[Truth7t7]

Some firmly believe that there are spiritual benefits to praying in tongues.


1.) Praying in tongues gives us a direct and unimpeded communication between our human spirit and the Spirit of God (1 Corinthians 14:2a).

2.) Praying in tongues brings the secrets of God's Spirit into our spirit (1 Corinthians 14:2b).

3.) When we pray in tongues, we cultivate and increase our spiritual strength (I Corinthians 14:4a).

4.) Praying in tongues tends to help us enter into the spiritual place wherein the Spirit can speak through us prophetically to others (I Corinthians 14:5).

5.) Praying in tongues leads us to desire interpretation (I Corinthians 14:13).

6.) Tongues releases us to a higher forms of spiritual worship (I Corinthians 14:15).

Have you experienced any of these things?

What are some of your experiences in the Spirit while praying in tongues?

I received the gift of speaking in other tongues at 18 years old, its the same today 40 years later.

Items 1,2,3 would apply, many believe the gift died out with the Apostle?

100% a false claim, however I believe the gift is in misuse today, just as it was in Corinth.

 

[Helen]

however I believe the gift is in misuse today, just as it was in Corinth.

Interesting.
How so????

 

[Triumph1300]

Interesting.
How so????

I think some of it is.
I have witnessed it, but not often.
(I watched a JSM church service recently and I noticed Jimmy Swaggert cutting off a message by a lady.)

 

[Truth7t7]

Interesting.
How so????

I have personally been in pentecostal churches rolling in the isles, complete chaos, tongues with no interpretation.

 

[Helen]

I have personally been in pentecostal churches rolling in the isles, complete chaos, tongues with no interpretation.

Oh that kind of fleshly stuff...me too...I have seen it in the flesh, and I have seen it (without chaos) in the Spirit.

 

[Triumph1300]

I have personally been in pentecostal churches rolling in the isles

I have been in pentecostal churches since 1980.
Never ever saw anyone rolling in the isles.

I watched the video, part of it, not all.
There are always extremes I guess.
Like snake handlers, etc.
Or the Toronto Airport Church a couple of years ago.

Never the less this video does not represent the average pentecostal church.
Don't discredit speaking in tongues because of a few videos that have been published just to put it in a bad day light.

 

[Hidden In Him]

...many believe the gift died out with the Apostle?
100% a false claim, however I believe the gift is in misuse today, just as it was in Corinth.

I have personally been in pentecostal churches rolling in the isles, complete chaos, tongues with no interpretation.

My personal take is that even in the pentecostal denominations founded on the baptism in the Holy Spirt there has been a trend away from tongues in the last three decades especially. In this context, misuse almost seems better than no use at all, LoL. But I do understand, and it's sad. The picture you described sounds kind of like what happens in churches where they attempt to "work up" the gifts, and what you instead get is a lot of emotionalism and hype. With Paul's admonition I think he was trying to accomplish just the opposite: Tone down the real thing, so that the focus returned to mental edification of the body. You see the same thing in his admonition that prophets cease prophesying if a member who was gifted in revelation received something regarding what was being uttered (1 Corinthians 14:30-31). Revelation and interpretation are mental gifts, and the shortage of believers on this particular end of things is also a big part of the problem.

I have been in pentecostal churches since 1980.
Never ever saw anyone rolling in the isles.

Well that's a good report.

Out of genuine curiosity, how well did the churches you were in abide by the command not to speak in tongues if there were no interpreter, or have the prophets only speak two or three? My experience in churches has been to witness only little dribs and drabs here and there, but then you're somewhat older, and I remember when I first got saved (1985) things were a lot different back then, even in the AoG churches. I took it for granted; it seemed to quickly disappear after that.

 

[Truth7t7]

My personal take is that even in the pentecostal denominations founded on the baptism in the Holy Spirt there has been a trend away from tongues in the last three decades especially. In this context, misuse almost seems better than no use at all, LoL. But I do understand, and it's sad. The picture you described sounds kind of like what happens in churches where they attempt to "work up" the gifts, and what you instead get is a lot of emotionalism and hype. With Paul's admonition I think he was trying to accomplish just the opposite: Tone down the real thing, so that the focus returned to mental edification of the body. You see the same thing in his admonition that prophets cease prophesying if a member who was gifted in revelation received something regarding what was being uttered (1 Corinthians 14:30-31). Revelation and interpretation are mental gifts, and the shortage of believers on this particular end of things is also a big part of the problem.


Well that's a good report.

Out of genuine curiosity, how well did the churches you were in abide by the command not to speak in tongues if there were no interpreter, or have the prophets only speak two or three? My experience in churches has been to witness only little dribs and drabs here and there, but then you're somewhat older, and I remember when I first got saved (1985) things were a lot different back then, even in the AoG churches. I took it for granted; it seemed to quickly disappear after that.

I been saved since 1976, and went to a AOG, I now go to non-denom, now that you mention it the AOG did speak in tongues, a little bit more orderly, now it's non existant, I agree!

 

[Triumph1300]

Out of genuine curiosity, how well did the churches you were in abide by the command not to speak in tongues if there were no interpreter, or have the prophets only speak two or three?

Loud outspoken messages in the churches I attended have always been followed by an interpretation.
I have heard people pray softly in tongues, just by themselves. I do the same.

My wife often has an interpretation.

 

[Triumph1300]

About "pentecostalism"..... A PAOC (Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada) we went to for about four years.
The pastor moved to another town and we got a new pastor coming out of Alberta.
He was at our church about three weeks and he decided to change the name of the church by scrapping the word "pentecostal".
It was: "(name of town) Pentecostal Church"
It was changed to: "(name of town) Community Church"
This was done without approval of the congregation.
Also done without a board meeting.
I asked him about it. Pointed out the constitution of the church, etc.
Did not matter he said. He told me that the word "Pentecostal" has a bad name in the "world".
He referred to snake handlers and other crazy groups.
I told him, who cares, the pentecostal experience is biblical, and we are a Pentecostal church.
Visitors and new people need to know what we stand for.
Anyhow, somehow the Holy Spirit must have been grieved, because people left and speaking in tongues was a thing of the past.
Also no more prayers at the alter, no more anointing with oil and laying on of hands.
People started to leave our church. Down to about 20 from well over 100.
I approached the board, asked them to let go of this pastor.
They told me, no, because "we don't want to destroy his ministry".
I said, he has no ministry, he's destroying the church.
Anyhow, my wife and I left to attend elsewhere.
Later, I heard, they let him go and they found out he caused problems in his previous church in Alberta as well. I'm told they are back now to about 60 people but kept the name without "pentecostal" in it.

We have always attended PAOC churches, but the last 10 years or so, I found they are going downhill.
Our children still go to PAOC, (in a town up north) but they tell me there's no speaking in tongues. No prophesies, and no other pentecostal experiences.

Sad story.

I don't know how it is elsewhere in Canada.
The PAOC is the same (I think) as the US Assemblies of God. (AOG)

I have found that not all congregations within the same organization are having similar services.

I have witnessed one POAC Church splitting up in four different groups after they kicked out a pastor. Two of those four are gone but the two other ones are now well doing churches, not part of PAOC, but still pentecostal.

I have seen it all since 1980.....it's a jungle out there.

 

[Helen]

@Triumph1300

I sadly have to agree.
The freedom of "flowing gifts" is nothing now like it was back in the '60 and 70's .
Maybe that Toronto thing was a group trying to kick start it all over.
But personally I think it was the work of man, not God.
It sure did stir up some strange spirits.

But sadly the gifts these days are far and few between.
I wish my grandchildren had experienced them flowing freely and in order with the anointing.
And that is another thing...it is rare to find a meeting/church which does really know how the 'wait' and only speak, preach or even worship when the Holy Spirits is moving.

It seems the programs are set before hand...so who needs the leadership or anointing of God's Spirit!!!

sad indeed.

 

[Triumph1300]

I have heard about one PAOC church where the pastor wants to see a prophesy "on paper before the service".
I guess he wants to check it out before it's spoken.

Yes, things have changed.
I came to Christ during a Full Gospel Bus. Men's Fellowship meeting and started to go to a PAOC church.
It was awesome.
Loved that church. Learned a lot. Made lots of friends.

 

[Helen]

@Triumph1300

Yes, it is 'the norm' now

Can you see Paul asking for a prophesy or interpretation to be written down, so he could judge? I think not.
The biblical way is as Paul says " Let them speak and let the others judge"

But, I guess in this day and age the congregation would be unable to judge.
1) out of practice
2) they couldn't discern a rice pudding these days.

And, I wonder how God feels?!!!!