Do you pray in tongues?

[Hidden In Him]

Haha! Poor ugly thing.

What do you mean? I think he's beautiful, LoL.
You just don't know a good man when you see one.

 

[Helen]

the Spirit is going to chastise the errors of falsehood in ways we haven't seen before, and this has to come. How else will the church ever be transformed into a glorious church without spot or wrinkle unless the glory fills His house again?

As I see it...not all the Body is the Bride
Not all the Body are the wise virgins...
Not all the Church will have oil...some will , as the foolish virgins..."have to go to him who sells and buy more oil.."
They will not be part of "the glorious church"

But, there I go again...just "my" two cents. ;)

 

[Hidden In Him]

As I see it...not all the Body is the Bride
Not all the Body are the wise virgins...
Not all the Church will have oil...some will , as the foolish virgins..."have to go to him who sells and buy more oil.."
They will not be part of "the glorious church"

Seriously.

The analogy of the bride was one of intimacy; of being completely one with Him in Spirit. The analogy of the body taught being responsive to the Head, preferably immediately. Both spoke of increasing obedience to our Lord, who desires to manifest in His Fulness. And the church does not manifest His Fulness apart from exceedingly great outpourings of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Helen]

@Hidden In Him
Not saying that they aren't part of the church..all the virgins were the church.
Just saying I personally don't see them in the first wave of God's glorious Church..."the Bride is be without spot and wrinkle..."
I feel the those virgins , though still virgins...were without oil and were the"wrinkly ones!!! "

 

[Hidden In Him]

Not saying that they aren't part of the church..all the virgins were the church.

.... It has me thinking actually. It was addressed to the apostles, who were responsible for preparing the bride for the Bridegroom (2 Corinthians 11:2), which means the parable especially may have referred to the leadership of the church. Some would lead by the anointing of the Holy Spirit, yet others would not. And those who do not will eventually seek the kind of power and anointing that the true leadership has, yet by this time it will be too late. I've always seen "give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out" as an attempt to try and move into operating in the things of the Spirit to bring the light of revelation from God, which is what the gifts do. But how do you transfer such things to those who know nothing about operating in it? All you can say is, "Not so, but go and buy for yourselves."

 

[Hidden In Him]

.... It has me thinking actually. It was addressed to the apostles, who were responsible for preparing the bride for the Bridegroom (2 Corinthians 11:2), which means the parable especially may have referred to the leadership of the church. Some would lead by the anointing of the Holy Spirit, yet others would not. And those who do not will eventually seek the kind of power and anointing that the true leadership has, yet by this time it will be too late. I've always seen "give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out" as an attempt to try and move into operating in the things of the Spirit to bring the light of revelation from God, which is what the gifts do. But how do you transfer such things to those who know nothing about operating in it? All you can say is, "Not so, but go and buy for yourselves."

This would make "and the door was shut" a warning that they would be excluded from the kingdom if they shirked the responsibility that had been given to them. This fits well with the parable in Matthew 24:46-51 as well. To whom much is given much is expected, and leadership over the church is a serious matter.

 

[Frank Lee]

This is a true testimony...

There was a denominational preacher on a train and was headed to help put the kibosh on a move promoting baptism in the Holy Spirit and all that goes with it. To help end the pentecostal movement and straighten out those misdirected souls that were given to believe the book of Acts events were yet active. I can't remember his name but it was at the time of the Azusa street revival in 1906.

As the train left the station the preacher was standing by the glass windowed door and watching a small dog. The dog was barking at the moving train as it ran alongside.

Though unaccustomed to hearing from God in such a plain and powerful way, God spoke to the man saying "you'd best cease your efforts to stop this move of mine. You're just like that little dog. You're barking and trying to catch, to stop something that you have no understanding of. Something that is far more powerful and larger than you're able to imagine".

This is a great picture of those dryed up denominationally institutionalized believers that speak with such self anointed authority on subjects of God's great works about which they know absolutely nothing.

We once attended church with a couple of believers but only the wife had been baptized in the Holy Spirit. As we conversed and discussed the gifts of God the husband would offer "well I'm baptized in the Holy Spirit"! Whereupon the wife would always reply "well, where's the fire"!?

OUT OF HISTORICAL AZUSA STREET

A visiting Baptist pastor to one of the meetings at Azusa Street said, “The Holy Spirit fell upon me and filled me literally, as it seemed to lift me up, for indeed, I was in the air in an instant, shouting, 'Praise God,' and instantly I began to speak in another language. I could not have been more surprised if at the same moment someone had handed me a million dollars.”

 

[Frank Lee]

To the denominationally indoctrinated I ask, "if what you have is all there is then what, pray tell, is it that I have received since the time that I too didn't know that there was any more from God than what you believe there to be"?

What I have received I received from God the Father, Jesus Christ the son and God the Holy Spirit and can be found in the Bible.

Those denying God's promise and spiritual gifts do so at the religiously Gestapo like behest of their denomination, religious tradition, seminary educated Doctor of Divinity, so called, pastor, teacher or elder who have unrighteously divided the word of God's truth in ways contrary to sound doctrine.

 

[Hidden In Him]

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This is almost exactly what I told the Cessationist. He was arguing about the necessity of attending a denominational church and then said in reference to it, "the scripture still stands." I asked him, "The scripture still stands, unless it's about the gifts of the Holy Spirit. You speak favorably of the gifts in one breath yet teach they have ceased in the next. That is a prostitution of true Christianity, and merely a form of godliness that denies the actual power thereof."

He started backpedalling at that point, but it needs to be said.

 

[Frank Lee]

This is almost exactly what I told the Cessationist. He was arguing about the necessity of attending a denominational church and then said in reference to it, "the scripture still stands." I asked him, "The scripture still stands, unless it's about the gifts of the Holy Spirit. You speak favorably of the gifts in one breath yet teach they have ceased in the next. That is a prostitution of true Christianity, and merely a form of godliness that denies the actual power thereof."

He started backpedalling at that point, but it needs to be said.

Ed Zachary!

2 Timothy 4:2-4 KJVS
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
[3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[Josho]

LoL.

You know, what I think may happen is that along with the gifts showing up in greater manifestation, there is going to come a far greater anointing to chastise the errors of Cessationism and those who champion it. I was debating with one about a week ago, and while I'm normally fairly reserved, I went after this guy mercilessly. I can't tell if it was a little too much caffeine or the anointing or both, LoL, but I really laid into him with scripture. It was brutal.

But I do think the Spirit is going to chastise the errors of falsehood in ways we haven't seen before, and this has to come. How else will the church ever be transformed into a glorious church without spot or wrinkle unless the glory fills His house again?

No shortage of debates here, once someone has there doubts and asks a question, if someone answers, it just keeps going on and on and on. Hopefully you can cut those debates short. hahaha

 

[Hidden In Him]

No shortage of debates here, once someone has there doubts and asks a question, if someone answers, it just keeps going on and on and on. Hopefully you can cut those debates short. hahaha

Yeah. I actually let that guy have the last word; not cuz I wanted to, LoL. I just heard the Lord at one point tell me "Leave it alone, and never go back to it." Probably cuz you're right; once you're sucked into one of those it goes on forever and ever, world without end, LoL.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Ed Zachary!

Ha! I had to look up "Ed Zachary!" just to figure out exactly what in the world you were trying to say there. I believe the Scooby Do pronunciation is Egg-Zachary.

 

[Frank Lee]

Oh, I thought everyone knew old Edd - Zachary! Hahaha...

 

[amadeus]

I been saved since 1976, and went to a AOG, I now go to non-denom, now that you mention it the AOG did speak in tongues, a little bit more orderly, now it's non existant, I agree!

1976 was a good year for receiving the Holy Ghost. That was my year as well. Give God the glory!

 

[amadeus]

I am glad to see others recognizing how common the practice of quenching of the Spirit is. It has always been around in places, but it is seemingly become more common than ever before and that is not a good thing. Help us dear Lord!

 

[amadeus]

I think most are not baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Herein really lies the root of the matter. They have been told they have been baptized in the Holy Spirit, but they don't even really know what it means and likely the ones who told them [ministers?] also do not know.

Most don't speak in tongues.
There's hardly any preaching on it.

There's likely an absence of preaching on many things scriptural because it doesn't tickle someone's ears.

 

[amadeus]

As I see it...not all the Body is the Bride
Not all the Body are the wise virgins...
Not all the Church will have oil...some will , as the foolish virgins..."have to go to him who sells and buy more oil.."
They will not be part of "the glorious church"

But, there I go again...just "my" two cents. ;)

Amen, sister, amen!

 

[Truth7t7]

I am glad to see others recognizing how common the practice of quenching of the Spirit is. It has always been around in places, but it is seemingly become more common than ever before and that is not a good thing. Help us dear Lord!

I live in So Cal, ground floor in the Jesus movement in the 70's, preachers on the public streets, beaches, shopping markets, etc, Jesus stickers on cars.

I now see a silence in street evangelism, no pastors mention this or even encourage it.

I believe we are in the final hours as Syria, Russia, Iran, America, Israel, Great Britian, France, The UN, And World Gather In The Possibility Of War, Syria is 100 miles from Jerusalem, The Valley of Megiddo, Armageddon is 60 miles?

I can't help but to consider prophecy in the events that are taking place.

Have we seen the great apostasy take place in the last 30 years, I believe so, big time!

Keep your eyes and ears open, as Israel and Jerusalem are the focal point of prophecy.

Will we soon see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, and a man proclaim world peace, as the Jews Messiah, AKA Antichrist?

 

[Truth7t7]

This would make "and the door was shut" a warning that they would be excluded from the kingdom if they shirked the responsibility that had been given to them. This fits well with the parable in Matthew 24:46-51 as well. To whom much is given much is expected, and leadership over the church is a serious matter.

The scripture is plain and simple just as Grace put it, the five foolish virgins were/are not part of the Church, as in verse (12) below Jesus clearly steates (I Know You Not) "Unsaved", they didn't make the cut!

The parable represents the saved and unsaved being mixed together, and only half were genuine believers.

You think the phony faith healers, practicing homosexuals, fornicators, adulterers, playing church are gonna make the cut?

Jesus is coming for his bride without spot and blemish!

Matthew 7:22-22 below is a parallel, many will cry they knew Jesus through good works, he will deny them, just as the five foolish virgins.

(I Know You Not)

Matthew 25 King James Version (KJV)
25 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

(I Never Knew You)

Matthew 7:22-23KJV
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.