But OSAS says salvation is UNconditional
No it does not. Clearly "ONCE the receiving of the Salvation has occurred, IT IS Accomplished and Done".
therefore cannot be lost under ANY circumstance.
Correct. Salvation IS accomplished "BY and THROUGH Christ", that results in a man BEING "IN" Christ, FOREVER.
From what you posted above I get salvation is received and one must CONDITIONALLY believe in his heart.
Correct.
The Carnal Minds thoughts are ever changing, AND naturally AGAINST God, and naturally influenced.
A mans "natural spirit" IS his TRUE thoughts in his Heart.
It is from a mans "natual spirits" true thoughts in his heart, that the Lord SEEKS a mans CONFESSION of Belief IN Him.
It is there after the man IS:
Crucified Bodily with Christ.
Forgiven for his Disbelief.
His body, washed, cleansed, sanctified and kept with Christ, until he is redeemed and his body glorified.
His Soul Saved with forever Life.
His natural spirit, reborn, via Gods SEED.
His Heart circumcised; the old natural truth cut off and Gods Word written in his new heart.
Then it only makes logically sense one must conditionally continue to believe in his heart to continue having the promise of the gift of salvation. For if one quits believing he no longer meets to condition to receiving salvation therefore forfeits it.
He DOES KEEP BELIEVING.
IT IS THE CONVERSION AS mentioned above, and the Power of the Indwelling Spirit, that KEEPS a man in Belief and Faithfulness TO the Lord FOREVER.
The natural man IS spiritually dead and passed away. A new man IS spiritually alive IN CHRIST, forever.
Will you argue one can quit believing becoming an unbeliever yet still UNconditionally receive salvation?
A man WHO CAN believe and QUIT believing, is a man WHO HAS NOT received Salvation or a new birth.
That man like all men can RECEIVE KNOWLEDGE, and even say with HIS MINDS thoughts hey dude, ya sure, "I BELIEVE"...AND NEXT YEAR say to you hey dude, nah, I use to believe, but "I don't any more". Eh, "God is mean, he let my little daughter get sick and die".
People follow and believe......AND walk away for all kinds of "REASONS".
The ONLY WAY TO Receive the Lords Give of Salvation IS to truthfully believe in your heart;
AND Confess your belief TO THE Lord.
He IS the DOOR "TO" Salvation.
One MUST truly heartfully believe and ELECT to Give their Life TO HIM....and then they become entered THROUGH the Door....THROUGH CHRIST and thus IN Christ Once and forever.
1) the NT is full of examples, warnings, giving heed to Christians about becoming unfaithful and falling away becoming lost
Do you realize a complete HEATHEN is being gifted Faith from God, just because SOMEONE is speaking the Word of God in the Heathen's EAR?
That is why PREACHING the Word of God, SPEAKING the Word of God IS IMPRESSED.
If a heathen HEARING, is intrigued, he may be sparked to OPEN the Bible, go hear a Sermon, BEGIN believing, become INCREASED in faith.....and may one day have a Heart FULL of faith, THAT he calls on the Lord and Confesses Believe and himself Become Converted unto the Lord Forever.
Or he may elect to not believe, and he will have Lost what faith he had, and fall away and die in his sins and become FOREVER separated from the Lord.
so there is not one verse in the NT that unconditionally guarantees the Christian can never become unfaithful and this is why Christians have been command to be faithful.
Really? So a Saved and born again man...MUST by his OWN power REMAIN Faithful? I can not guarantee today, that forever I, BY MY OWN POWER can remain Faithful.
But then He who IS IN ME IS SUPREME Power. I CHOSE to be Faithful to Him Forever.
I also KNOW, I have NOT the foresight or Power to ACCOMPLISH that. I CHOSE to give MY LIFE TO the Lord, and He accomplishes KEEPING ME IN FAITH "FULLNESS" TO Him, BY His POWER.
there is no verse in the NT that puts the accountability and responsibility upon the Holy Spirit to see to it that the Christian will never become unfaithful and fall into a lost state. Rev 22:10 "be thou faithful unto death" is a command given to the Christian making the Christian the one accountable and responsible for remaining faithful unto death. Such commands being given to Christians in being "faithful unto death" and "keep yourselves in the love of God" (Jude 1:21) make no sense and are useless if it is impossible for the Christian to fall and be lost, if salvation is not a process, if the Holy Spirit has the task to seeing to it that Christians do not become unfaithful.
Why do you think ALL Commands in Scripture ARE TO Christians?
Did you overlook, Jesus came TO SAVE Lost JEWS? Jews who believed IN God, and turned toward Gentile WAYS, worldly WAYS?
Jesus CHOSE JEWS, taught them and SENT THEM out TO the LOST Jews.
Did you NOT notice, Jesus was on earth REVEALING TO JEWS, "HE" is their lang awaited Messiah? He fulfilled their laws and prophecies. YET, He did NOT destroy "THEIR" Law. WHAT foresight! The Jews had a marvelous interest, WHEN Jesus was on earth, and for several years while the Apostles were wandering from city to city preaching to the LOST Jews.
The Believing and Converted Jews did not "BECOME" Christians; THey became Saved and Born Again and the Faithful "IN" Christ.
TOday for the most part JEWS "who" remain obedient TO the Law, are STILL UNDER the LAW. THEY have to become SAVED, NOT BY BEING IN CHRIST, but rather by BEING IN OBEDIENCE TO THEIR LAW and FIATHFUL to their death......BY THEIR OWN POWER.
So, yes, that was stressed.
Does what they DO affect me? NO. I am "IN" Christ and "HIS POWER" IS in me.
Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world. IF a man IS IN Christ, that applies TO that man.
Becoming a Christian is the same thing as becoming saved and it is a process to become a Christian/be saved and the Christian has been given the accountability and responsibility to remain faithful/remain saved.
You put WAY more weight on the word "Christian" than I do. A 5 year old can call himself a Christian and have NO knowledge that it IMPLIES SAVED and Born again.
Already SAID....
Learning the knowledge IS a process, for the man.
Deciding to Submit IS a thought process a man mulls over to consider.
Confessing is not a drawn out process.
It is an ACT by the man.
Receiving Salvation and a born again spirit from the Lord is not a drawn out process.
He IS patient for the man to Learn.
He IS instantly with the man who Confesses.
He QUICKLY converts the man, accomplishing the forgiveness, salavation and born again.
IS there MORE for a man TO DO after he IS saved and born again? Absolutely, and already covered that.
Therefore by being commanded to be faithful unto death and keep himself in the love of God the Christian OBVIOUSLY has been given a role in his own salvation. Failing to keep his role the Christian will become lost, guaranteed by the promise of God Who cannot lie.
So the Christian cannot think that the Holy Spirit does everything for the Christian while the Christian sits idly by.
Becoming saved/becoming a Christian is by an obedient response to the gospel of Christ. Hebrews 5:9. As note above, one must CONDITIONALLY believe in his heart to receive the gift of salvation. Therefore belief is an obedient response to the gospel that must CONDITIONALLY be ongoing, continuous for one to receive salvation for if the Christian falls to remain faithful unto death, fails tl keep himself in the love of God he will become lost for not having CONDITIONALLY continues the required life long process of believing.
Already covered this.
I know of not one example of man in the Bible being reckoned righteous or justified BEFORE he was obedient to the will of God.
Righteous or Justified....BY WHOM?
I have mentioned Abraham a few times referring to how the Bible speaks to his being reckoned righteous, justified was a process.
If you think yourself a Hebrew under the OLD Covenant, then FORGET everything FORWARD that was revealed. Follow their ways, and do as they did, BEFORE more knowledge was revealed.
I elect to KNOW what was fulfilled and have Elected to Believe the Jewish Messiah arrived and revealed believe in Him is the WAY for a man to Be Saved and Born Again, yet while I am ALIVE in my natural flesh, I live IN CHRIST Spiritually.
This is why no one can produce the one verse that shows Abraham going from being a lost, unforgiven reprobate to being justified, saved in a single quick instance by having 'faith only'.
Scripture does not SHOW Abraham being a reprobate. Abrahams faither was an idolater; made his living selling little statues. And Scripture itself shows Abraham had no qualms about leaving his father and going in the Way that God directed him to go.
Not sure your point, that ONLY reprobates need saving.
We are all born IN SIN and need Salvation "IF" one desires FOREVER LIFE "WITH the Lord.
God Bless,
Taken