Jesus never said he was God Almighty

[1stCenturyLady]

is the Bible Word in your opinion or not? These two...lectures? unfortunately do not make it any clearer wadr

The Bible, itself, is not God. It holds the words of God, and is holy. To say the Word is merely the Bible and no more, is missing the big picture.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Your knowledge of Roman mythology is pathetic, you are highly critical about the gift of tongues, make up fair tales about it's history nature and purpose all because you don't don't have it and are jealous. Chill out, man! Its not meant for everybody. I can pray in tongues but that doesn't make me any holier than anybody else.

Speaking in tongues: genuine charism or silly gibberish?

Oh, but it is meant for everybody - all who believe I mean. What I mean is our prayer and praise language is given to all who believe and are baptized. Mark 16:16-18 What you may be referring to is the gift of diverse kinds of tongues. That is given to someone in the congregation that has that office. Not all have that office. Same with the gift of interpretation of tongues. That is associated with an office also. But that doesn't mean God won't give the gift to more than those few. (Someone who has the gift of prophecy doesn't make them a prophet. But a prophet has the gift of prophecy.)

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Isaiah 8:19 of the O.T. is a verse before Pentecost of the N.T. and you can find that kind of supernatural tongue in the world of the occult as vain babbling gibberish nonsense.

Even secular history records how some Romans worship the goddess Diana by the way their priests would pray in tongues as babbling nonsense and then one interprets it to the idol worshiper after the idol worshiper gives an acceptable donation for this service to "Diana". This was going on before Pentecost.

So how can God call sinners away from that supernatural tongue and those familiar spirits that bring it? By the calling of the gospel. How can God and believers know that they have repented? By knowing that God's gift of tongues are to profit the body withal for why His gift of tongues are of other men's lips to speak unto the people a Paul gave the bottom line about what His gift of tongues were for. 1 Corinthians 14:20-22

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Otherwise, you would have God copycatting Satan's supernatural tongue, and sinners that converted and yet speak the way the world speaks ( 1 John 4:1 & 1 John 4:5-6 ) no one cannot tell if it is God's gift of tongues or not if you say it also can come with no interpretation to be used privately. There is no way to prove it if you do not abstain from that appearance of evil when it should be obvious that God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips to speak unto the people. It would be confusing if the Holy Spirit can actually change the mode for what God's gift of tongues are for to use it without interpretation and so it is not the Holy Spirit doing that for why we are to test the spirits in making that discernment with Jesus Christ's help.



The Holy Spirit cannot turn the purpose for what God's gift of tongues are for by turning it around for His own use in uttering His own intercessions. That would be confusion and not just going against His words in how the Holy Spirit will speak and not speak in John 16:13.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Since scripture cannot go against scripture, I point to the KJV in having the right translation & interpretation of Romans 8:26-27 in keeping in align with this truth in John 16:13 as found in all BIBLES.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. KJV

Even the KJV has kept the true message from John 16:13 by testifying that the Holy Spirit cannot even utter His groanings; hence no sound at all. So how can His intercessions be given to God? By having Another know the mind of the Spirit to give it for Him.

27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Hebrews 4:12-16 confirms that this is Jesus Christ as He is the One that searches our hearts as He is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit as it is in according to the will of God that there is only One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus ( 1 Timothy 2:5 ).

Why is this so? Because Jesus is the One that has to give our spoken and/or unspoken intercessions, the Spirit's unspoken intercessions, and His own intercessions to the Father so that when the Father says "Yes" to any intercessions, ONLY the Son answers the prayer so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayer ( John 14:13-14 ) That is why we are NOT to pray TO the Holy Spirit nor pray TO Mary because any answers from "them" is not from Jesus Christ, and it is not really "them" that is responding, but the spirits of the antichrists. That is why all those that profess Him by doing casting out devils, prophesying, and doing wonderful works in His name are workers of iniquity ( Matthew 7:21-23 ) as they do in these proclaimed movements of the "Holy Spirit".

So your misapplication of scripture is evident when you are overlooking what the manifestations of the Spirit are for and that is to profit the body withal and not individually as if the Holy Spirit would bother to manifest for a believer to have a worship service all by himself or herself by all those self proclaims benefits for using tongues privately. The irony is that even for private use, there are 3 modes where it is for the believer's self edification, or for the believer's means to worship, or for the Holy Spirit to make intercessions for him or for her and yet tongue speakers cannot know what mode is being done without interpretation. ... and they fail to see how that is confusion they are in and testifying of.



Given the 3 kinds of modes or benefits that you would claim for private use, it is still confusion because you cannot know which benefit that tongue is supposedly giving which is why the real God's gift of tongues is not a stand alone gift as He will have it followed by interpretation from another.



Even Paul says he cannot know what is being said unless interpreted. When he speaks in tongues, Paul prays that another will interpret because he would understand the tongue for that tongue to be fruitful to himself whereby true edification occurs.

So are you a staunch follower of John MacArthur?

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

So are you a staunch follower of John MacArthur?

I have heard of him, but no, I am not a follower or fan of John MacArthur. I have placed my faith in Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd that I am following Him. You should too, instead of following tongues without interpretation which is the definition of a stranger's voice; John 10:1-5

 

[Helen]

so you say, but i would suggest a diff perspective fwiw

Agree, physically destroyed or not...spirit can not be destroyed but by God.
Just destroying the original did not destroy it.
The spirit of Nehushtan is alive and well today!! Just recreated in the minds and hearts of men....

Many christians would much rather worship their form of Jesus than yield, and follow He who is alive!!

 

[Windmillcharge]

Yet this was/is Jesus and are we not to be like Him?

That is our goal, but is it something we can achieve in this life.
Is achieving a perfect physical body achievable in this life?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I have heard of him, but no, I am not a follower or fan of John MacArthur. I have placed my faith in Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd that I am following Him. You should too, instead of following tongues without interpretation which is the definition of a stranger's voice; John 10:1-5

Then what about Merrill Unger?

 

[Windmillcharge]

Every name except for God name. Everyone is subject to God meaning God Name JEHOVAH, is above all names including Jesus Name. Phil.2:5,6 shows that Jesus does not think himself equal with God even though he was in God form, therefore he is not God, you can disbelieve it all you want, people can say I'm twisting scripture all they want, but like I said before and I'll say again you will not influence me to deny that it was The Only-Begotten Son who became flesh, it was not God who became flesh.

And The passage is talking about Jesus becoming man, living and dying on Earth. It is not talking about him in Heaven.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Every name except for God name. Everyone is subject to God meaning God Name JEHOVAH, is above all names including Jesus Name. Phil.2:5,6 shows that Jesus does not think himself equal with God even though he was in God form, therefore he is not God, you can disbelieve it all you want, people can say I'm twisting scripture all they want, but like I said before and I'll say again you will not influence me to deny that it was The Only-Begotten Son who became flesh, it was not God who became flesh.

Hi Barney.

Look at these passages please.

Acts 4:
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

What you don't realize, nor been taught is that Jehovah IS Jesus.

Isaiah 12:2 "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

 

[amadeus]

That is our goal, but is it something we can achieve in this life.
Is achieving a perfect physical body achievable in this life?

If you are unable to embrace by faith the power of God in us, at least, do not express an negative faith saying that it is impossible. What is impossible for God?

"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27

And who is it within us that is cleaning us up and preparing as we allow such preparation? If we quench the Holy Spirit of God, even God will be limited:

"Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:41

We certainly can limit God, but it is not something that we should do.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That is our goal, but is it something we can achieve in this life.
Is achieving a perfect physical body achievable in this life?

Apples and oranges. You cannot equate the human body of ours, with our nature. We get a new nature NOW. We get a new body LATER.

Yes, the are both called "flesh," but miles apart in meaning.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

And The passage is talking about Jesus becoming man, living and dying on Earth. It is not talking about him in Heaven.

So your saying that when this passage says that he (Jesus) was in Gods form that he never snatched at the idea that he was equal to God while in that form? Which means he had to be in heaven to be in God's form. You don't think this is really twisting this scripture to try to prove your point?

 

[Windmillcharge]

So your saying that when this passage says that he (Jesus) was in Gods form that he never snatched at the idea that he was equal to God while in that form? Which means he had to be in heaven to be in God's form. You don't think this is really twisting this scripture to try to prove your point?

I follow what the passage says.
Jesus who was God did not let that stand in the way of him humbling himself, to become a slave, going willingly to his death inirder that we might be saved.

 

[Helen]

Maybe because you are using the term, nehushtan, which is a derogatory term for the snake of the pole - something that was good - is why I'm not getting your point.

The brazen serpent stood for judgement. The pre-type of Jesus taking all judgement for sin on the cross/pole.
The Children of Israel were being judged by God and bitten ...
Num 21:5 "And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.
6 And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died."

Yes we all agree that the snake on the pole was a type of Christ. The brass showing judgement for sin. We know that they "looked and lived".
But, in continuing to worship the brass snake was no different than the calf that they worshipped. They were not looking to God Himself, but to an idol.

bbyrd009 is saying that today some are are continuing this 'habit'.. and are still stuck on worshipping Jesus on the cross. The Jesus who lived and walked..
They keep their idol. They do not take up their own cross and follow Him.
They do not die to the self life, they prefer to look at Jesus giving up His life, rather than it cost them anything.

So, Nehushtan worship is still alive and well today.

I think one day @bbyrd009 will start a new denomination, right Mark?
But seriously , he does have a good line to share here..and one that should be harkened to.
There is a fine balance between the two....any over emphasis leads to error...1) the work of believing faith and 2) good works which bares fruit in our life. 1) Our positional in Christ and 2) our walk in Christ.
We must have both.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The brazen serpent stood for judgement. The pre-type of Jesus taking all judgement for sin on the cross/pole.
The Children of Israel were being judged by God and bitten ...
Num 21:5 "And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.
6 And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died."

Yes we all agree that the snake on the pole was a type of Christ. The brass showing judgement for sin. We know that they "looked and lived".
But, in continuing to worship the brass snake was no different than the calf that they worshipped. They were not looking to God Himself, but to an idol.

bbyrd009 is saying that today some are are continuing this 'habit'.. and are still stuck on worshipping Jesus on the cross. The Jesus who lived and walked..
They keep their idol. They do not take up their own cross and follow Him.
They do not die to the self life, they prefer to look at Jesus giving up His life, rather than it cost them anything.

So, Nehushtan worship is still alive and well today.

I think one day bbyrd009 will start a new denomination, right Mark?
But seriously , he does have a good line to share here..and one that should be harkened to.
There is a fine balance between the two....any over emphasis leads to error...1) the work of believing faith and 2) good works which bares fruit in our life. 1) Our positional in Christ and 2) our walk in Christ.
We must have both.

Whew! I didn't get all that from what he stated, so didn't understand.

 

[Helen]

Whew! I didn't get all that from what he stated, so didn't understand.

Oh you will the more you see his posts. When you have been around him for a while..he often has some good gems to share.
The reason we know is ..he did once explain it all in detail when we asked him to explain.
But he prefers short posts these days.

...Helen

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Then what about Merrill Unger?

Who? Never heard of him or her, whoever that is. And I do not care to know either.

 

[bbyrd009]

In fact my experience bears witness to the truth of the written Word.

You are limiting the person of the Word, into a box called the Bible.

you may have just addressed this, but hopefully you see why i am asking

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Who? Never heard of him or her, whoever that is. And I do not care to know either.

Well, you are spouting the same thing as those two men. You're not original.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

you may have just addressed this, but hopefully you see why i am asking

Actually, most of the time you are speaking Greek to me. I don't understand much of what you are saying. You expect us to see the big picture out of one puzzle piece, one disjointed phrase.