If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

[JesusIsFaithful]

The wedding feast is indeed celebrated eternally in heaven.
The divine liturgy is a fortaste, an anticipation of that heavenly feast. It puts us all at the Last Supper, at the crucifixion, at the resurection, at the birth of the Church...
And sends us all out to:

Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in here the poor and the crippled, the blind and the lame.'

The servant reported, 'Sir, your orders have been carried out and still there is room.'

The master then ordered the servant, 'Go out to the highways and hedgerows and make people come in that my home may be filled.

Pax!

If you are referring to Luke 14:15-24, then that call from the Bridegroom has not been given yet for when those invited began making excuses not to attend for the cares of this life. That reference is about the pre great trib rapture event when the cares of this life will be a snare for why saved believers will not want to come when the Bridegroom appears.

The order given by the master as told by Jesus in the parable where the servants informed the master that there was still lots of room, was to indicate how many had been invited that did not come in spite of seeking for those that had not been invited to heed that second call to come when there was still room.

The Feast of the Lamb has not happened yet in according to His words, and that reference is a warning for why many saved believers will not come.

 

[Philip James]

If you are referring to Luke 14:15-24, then that call from the Bridegroom has not been given yet for when those invited began making excuses not to attend for the cares of this life

Those invited were the Israelites, and it was John the baptist who acted as best man introducing the Groom to His bride...
Those Israelites who DID come (the apostles and those that joined them) have ever since been sent out to gather in the poor, the lame, the broken hearted, indeed all that they find and bid them come to the feast...
When Christ returns the doors will be closed...

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace!

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

WRONG.
When YOU are judged - God isn't going to give you a "pass" because you were too lazy or stupid to know the truth. YOU will be responsible for what YOU did or didn't do - not somebody else.

The point of the serpent and Eve was not to disregard Eve's fault in the matter, but to acknowledge the serpent's fault as deserving punishment as well.

You are still advocating for all Catholics to not be lazy and disregard the teachings from the Catholic Church to find out what the KJV Bible ( my source for true scripture ) actually says to avoid fears and what nots that some Catholics you judged being in laziness for having those fears.

If they are really lazy, where is the proof on your end that proves that the Catholics are lazy for not reading the Bible that would allay that fear about not going to the confessional would mean they are going to hell as not true?

Post the scripture to prove that this fear is unfounded; otherwise.... you need to recant if you can't assure them by the scripture that their fear is unfounded.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Those invited were the Israelites, and it was John the baptist who acted as best man introducing the Groom to His bride...
Those Israelites who DID come (the apostles and those that joined them) have ever since been sent out to gather in the poor, the lame, the broken hearted, indeed all that they find and bid them come to the feast...
When Christ returns the doors will be closed...

When the doors are closed, it is for the celebration of that feast of the Lamb behind those closed doors where the Bridegroom is in Heaven.

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace!

So are you, brother, but the time we are in now is for preparation; and leaving the Catholic Church would be one of them if you wish to be seen wearing your wedding garment which is your faith & hope in Jesus Christ alone for everything; and not the Catholic Church.

 

[Philip James]

When the doors are closed, it is for the celebration of that feast of the Lamb behind those closed doors where the Bridegroom is in Heaven.



So are you, brother, but the time we are in now is for preparation; and leaving the Catholic Church would be one of them if you wish to be seen wearing your wedding garment which is your faith & hope in Jesus Christ alone for everything; and not the Catholic Church.

One cannot separate Christ from His Church . the Groom and his bride are one!

"For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."

This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.

Pax!

 

[Nancy]

If you are referring to Luke 14:15-24, then that call from the Bridegroom has not been given yet for when those invited began making excuses not to attend for the cares of this life. That reference is about the pre great trib rapture event when the cares of this life will be a snare for why saved believers will not want to come when the Bridegroom appears.

The order given by the master as told by Jesus in the parable where the servants informed the master that there was still lots of room, was to indicate how many had been invited that did not come in spite of seeking for those that had not been invited to heed that second call to come when there was still room.

The Feast of the Lamb has not happened yet in according to His words, and that reference is a warning for why many saved believers will not come.

Good post J.I.F.! Although, I have been swayed away from rapture theory...my views have changed several times over the years but, this is where I stand now unless or until The Spirit teaches me differently...when I let Him, lol.
In His Name
-nancy

@GodsGrace ---what do you think of what J.I.F. said here:

"The order given by the master as told by Jesus in the parable where the servants informed the master that there was still lots of room, was to indicate how many had been invited that did not come in spite of seeking for those that had not been invited to heed that second call to come when there was still room." <---have not heard this argument used to rebuff our pet peeve, lol.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

One cannot separate Christ from His Church . the Groom and his bride are one!

"For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."

This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.

Pax!

You told the story of how the bridegroom left to prepare the home for his bride and so there is a separation for a time before the actual celebration begins. The call to be an abiding bride of Christ is to look to Jesus Christ as the Good Shepherd in helping them lay aside every weight & sin to be received by the Bridegroom as a vessel unto honor in His House.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Good post J.I.F.! Although, I have been swayed away from rapture theory...my views have changed several times over the years but, this is where I stand now unless or until The Spirit teaches me differently...when I let Him, lol.
In His Name
-nancy

@GodsGrace ---what do you think of what J.I.F. said here:

"The order given by the master as told by Jesus in the parable where the servants informed the master that there was still lots of room, was to indicate how many had been invited that did not come in spite of seeking for those that had not been invited to heed that second call to come when there was still room." <---have not heard this argument used to rebuff our pet peeve, lol.

May God cause the increase.

in Luke 14:25-33 Jesus expounded on that parable and continues to point out the cost of discipleship is to be ready to give up possessions, loved ones, and their very lives on earth to join the Bridegroom in the air when He appears. Some believers mistaken this as the cost of discipleship in giving everything up while living on earth in serving Him, but no. Jesus was attesting to giving up everything on earth in leaving the earth to the Home above.

 

[Nancy]

May God cause the increase.

in Luke 14:25-33 Jesus expounded on that parable and continues to point out the cost of discipleship is to be ready to give up possessions, loved ones, and their very lives on earth to join the Bridegroom in the air when He appears. Some believers mistaken this as the cost of discipleship in giving everything up while living on earth in serving Him, but no. Jesus was attesting to giving up everything on earth in leaving the earth to the Home above.

I do so agree we need to hold our (God's) possessions loosely on this Earth. Since my last position on the Rapture, I have not really given it much study. I pray to always be open to learning new views as the Spirit leads me. I will consider what you say and take an honest look -again, lol- at the Rapture.
Blessings abundantly!
-nancy

 

[Grams]

Can a Catholic tell me what is mass all about ? And why does it have to be the same
time after time...... I had to go there 6 day's a week.........as a child ! I did not learn
any thing from Latin........ so what good is this......

 

[Philip James]

You told the story of how the bridegroom left to prepare the home for his bride and so there is a separation for a time before the actual celebration begins

The point of that story is to show that the feast begins and the marriage consumated before the groom goes to his fathers house to prepare a place for her.. This is exactly what happens at the Table of the Lord, and to this union all men are invited.

Pax!

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

The point of that story is to show that the feast begins and the marriage consumated before the groom goes to his fathers house to prepare a place for her.. This is exactly what happens at the Table of the Lord, and to this union all men are invited.

Pax!

How do you apply the parable of the ten virgins, where five were foolish and five were prudent, but the foolish were out to the market seeking to be filled again even once, when the Bridegroom had come and they were left behind and outside that closed door to that celebration?

I take it to mean that the actual celebration is yet future and saved believers are at risk of being left behind for being workers of iniquity as the iniquity Jesus was addressing in that parable was how saved believers thinks they can receive the Holy Ghost again after a sign of tongues and even again and again after other sensational signs in the flesh thus not being ready as the prudent ones were knowing they had been filled since they had first believed in Him at the calling of the gospel. The foolish virgins are still His, but because they were "out to the market" to be filled by the Holy Ghost and not holding fast the traditions taught of us that they are filled and thus sealed and thus saved since they had believed in him at the calling of the gospel as the prudent ones were, it was too late for them.

I see the five foolish virgins as still His and thus still saved because in Revelation 2nd chapter, Jesus is addressing the church at Thyatira that those committing spiritual fornication that has known the utter depths of Satan for which they speak, to repent or be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation. He still addresses those left behind as His children in judging all those in the churches in according to their works.

Anyway, just wondering, brother, how you apply the parable of the ten virgins to how you were applying the parable in Luke 14:15-24 to mean then.

 

[Philip James]

Anyway, just wondering, brother, how you apply the parable of the ten virgins to how you were applying the

The virgins are those who have heard the gospel and received it. The foolish ones are they whose love has grown cold, their lights extinguished... They dont feed the hungry or clothe the naked or tend the sick, they are those that pass the man in need on the other side of the road....

The wise ones are they who love! Their lamps burning, these our Lord will bring with Him into the eternal banquet hall at His return... Then the doors will be shut... Thats it ... New heavens ... New Earth... Eternity in union with our Lord, our God, our Husband.

Pax!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Um...calling someone "ignorant" multiple times, as well as "lazy" and also intimating they were terrible parents is NOT negative?
One could argue, perhaps, as to it's truth in a particular situation or not, but there is no way under logic, reason and basic understanding of English language that the sort of words you used were not negative.

And IF you have read scripture, as you suggest every Christian has to come to themselves, then you must have read how it is the responsibility of pastors, teachers and leaders to point to correct Christian living. In which reality does this not involve bible reading? To suggest that Priests don't need to point parishioners (or whatever their called in the RCC) to reading scripture and to know God's word intimately, is a failing on their part, not just on the individual Christians part. After all, people can only come to the truth of the gospel from hearing. That puts the onus on the preacher first...if they don't point to the truth, who will? If the Priest constantly advised his parishioners to study and read scripture, and they didn't, THEN it would be on them. But to be led to believe that following the 'church' traditions of attending confession, praying, going to mass, etc, would be enough, the RCC is, even inadvertently, doing a disservice to many....or, at least, the particular parish that Grams attended was.

Sometimes people assign blame to cover up their own short-comings...but sometimes people are wronged. It's a fallen world, and you can't deny that people are doing other people wrongs all the time. Are we to place those wrongs upon our own shoulders as well? Not really, that would be making something up, dismissing reality. So is your problem that it took Grams years to find a true, close relationship with Jesus...or are you complaining that it was, apparently, the RCC that got in the way of that? For whatever reason. Because if it had been some bogus Protestant denomination...like one big on the health/wealth "gospel"...I don't think you'd have a problem and you would claim she's whining about a thing. Just because you may have had a wonderful experience with the RCC, and your Parish is bringing you closer to Christ, and encouraging you to read scripture, that doesn't mean that all Parish's are like that; that all Priest's are like that. You might ask Grams about her bad experience, and sympathize that she'd had to change denominations to find that relationship, rather than enforce for all to see, that she made the right decision.

When you belong to a church or a denomination whose doctrines you strongly believe in - and the your pastor in your particular town isn't cutting the mustard in your opinion - do you:
a. Seek guidance from the hierarchy of that denomination and do some research on your own to find out the truth?
- OR -
b. Abandon your denomination - even though you supposedly agree with its doctrines because the truth just ain't worth it?

ANY sane person would do whatever they could to bypass a bad pastor or minister to get to the truth. Only AFTER this would they consider leaving.

As I said before - in the end, God isn't going to give you a pass on reading Scripture because "nobody told you" to read it on your own.
My 91 year old mother had a 6th grade education and has been reading the Bible her entire life because she LOVES God - and NOT because somebody told her to.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The point of the serpent and Eve was not to disregard Eve's fault in the matter, but to acknowledge the serpent's fault as deserving punishment as well.

You are still advocating for all Catholics to not be lazy and disregard the teachings from the Catholic Church to find out what the KJV Bible ( my source for true scripture ) actually says to avoid fears and what nots that some Catholics you judged being in laziness for having those fears.

If they are really lazy, where is the proof on your end that proves that the Catholics are lazy for not reading the Bible that would allay that fear about not going to the confessional would mean they are going to hell as not true?

Post the scripture to prove that this fear is unfounded; otherwise.... you need to recant if you can't assure them by the scripture that their fear is unfounded.

I have read this post THREE times now - and can't make any sense of it.

I will be MORE than happy to respond if you want to re-write it in a more grammatically-structured manner. The text in RED is especially garbled.

 

[Grams]

Can a Catholic tell me what is mass all about ? And why does it have to be the same
time after time...... I had to go there 6 day's a week.........as a child ! I did not learn
any thing from Latin........ so what good is this......

And if we are in the USA and speak English, why is it not in English ?

 

[GodsGrace]

I do not claim the Catholic Church is perfect. There are many problems within my church. Vatican II has corrected some of these issues - Catholics are now encouraged to educate themselves and lead an active spiritual life. There are still Catholics that resist change and cannot reconcille how they practiced their religion as kids and the call for greater personal responsibility being taught today. We still have to grow and make changes in the way we practice our Christianity.

Yes, I also see this here.
Some of my traditional Catholic friends are having a difficult time.
Some even deny what is happening.

 

[Nancy]

And if we are in the USA and speak English, why is it not in English ?

I'm pretty sure they do not do the Latin anymore @Grams

 

[Grams]

I'll have to ask my friend she is still Catholic....... I am not .

 

[aspen]

The homily (sermon) was never given in Latin, Grams - we have clarified this with you serveral times. Also, the Latin Mass has not been the norm for 50 years.