New World Order

[Stranger]

If a judge ordered me to "restore" to you the $100 that I stole from your wallet - and I only gave you a dollar - would you call that "restoration"? But, you insist that "Israel has been restored" though it is but a tiny 1/100th of its ancient size.
Well, them borders better hurry up and get established, because when Jesus comes back the entire planet is going to end up nothing but a burned up, desolate hunk of rock - for 1,000 years - after which God will make "a new heaven and a new Earth".
It's not necessary to give a reference every time - technology has moved us past the tediousness of flipping pages in a Concordance.
If I ignore a verse, it is usually because the one posting it is deflecting away from the previous point I made.
For instance, this whole "cite the chapter and verse, please" thing seems to be a deflection from my previous point: that it doesn't make sense to claim Paul pronounced both "peace and mercy" but also "wrath...to the uttermost" and "unworthiness of eternal life" on what you claim is the SAME group of people - literal Israelites.

I don't attributing Israel being "spiritually reborn" to anything you said, but if so, I meant "rebirth in 1949".
Yes, Israel exists today - as "Spiritual Israel" which belongs to Christ, in accordance with Galatians 3:29.
I don't rant. I repeat solid exegesis in the face of ludicrousness, such as "'Abraham's seed' of Galatians 3:29 doesn't refer to Israel." Good grief, if "Israel" is not "Abraham's seed", then who is?
You claim that Paul pronounced both "peace and mercy" and also "wrath...to the uttermost" and "unworthiness of eternal life" which caused Paul and the Christians to "turn to the Gentiles" - on the same group of people...on the same group of people? Blessing and cursing on the same group of people? This is a prime example of the level of inconsistency must be incorporated into your points in order to establish your position.
The promises of God are "yea and amen" in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 1:20 KJV). You have to be in Christ Jesus in order to be "heirs according to the promise" (Galatians 3:29).
You claimed that verses should be viewed beside other verses, but you stubbornly refuse to view Jeremiah 16:14-16 alongside Jeremiah 29:10-14, which completely obliterates your claim that God didn't require repentance before Israel's return from the Babylonian captivity:

10 "For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13 And ye shall seek me, and find [me], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
14 And I will be found of you, saith the LORD: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the LORD; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.
And Jesus chose 12 disciples, there are 12 gates in New Jerusalem, 12 foundation stones, etc. There are many examples of God making transcendental application of the characteristics of Literal Israel to Spiritual Israel - the church. To ignore this is to too rigidly interpret Scripture.

By your own definition Israel was never restored then, when they returned from the Babylonian captivity. Only a small fraction of people returned. The borders will be established at the beginning of the millennium. The point is, Israel is always a nation of God even though she has never realized the borders that God set. Which in turn means that Israel is a nation now of God even though she is not experiencing the correct borders.

It's not hard. The Jews who Paul claimed 'wrath to the uttermost' (1Thess 2:16), and 'unworthiness of eternal life' (Acts 13:46), are not the same Jews who are the 'Israel of God' (Gal. 6:16). Just like I showed you in (Acts 13:43). The vast majority of Jews rejected the Gospel. They are not the Israel of God. The minority of Jews that received Christ, are the Israel of God; the remnant at this time, (Rom. 11:4-5) "....Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace." God has preserved a remnant of believing Jews at this time that are part of the Church. This does not make the Church 'spiritual Israel'. It makes the remnant part of the Church, but still the Israel of God.

(Gal. 3:29) says nothing about the Church being 'spiritual Israel'. It says nothing about Abrahams seed being Israel. It says, "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." In other words, all who are in Christ are Abrahams seed. See (Gal. 3:26-28). Just like prior to the Church, not everyone in Israel was Abraham's seed. Only those who had the faith of Abraham. (Rom. 4:12)

Again, which you ignored, (Jer. 16:14-16) and (Jer. 29:10-14) are not speaking of the same return. (Jer. 16) speaks to the Jews being literally hunted down and dragged back. (Jer. 29) speaks to the return after the 70 year captivity. And even in the return there, it is God first who moves before there is any movement of so called repentance from Israel. (Jer. 29:10-14) "For thus saith the LORD,...I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place....Then shall ye call upon me...ye shall seek me....And I will be found of you...and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations...." Even in Israel's so called repentance in returning, it is due only to God turning to them first. It is God bringing them back to the land because it is time.

The Church is not 'spiritual Israel'. There is nothing to indicate it is. It is the product of unbelief, to doubt that God will be true to Israel as He promised. For the promises of God to the physical nation of Israel were everlasting and eternal. If He is not true to those, how do you know your eternity is secure. You don't. Which is why those who believe as you are always found in the camp of those also who believe you can lose your salvation. One feeds the other.

And you failed to comment on my last paragraph in post #198 concerning how God controls all nations even though they reject Him. (Is. 10:5-7), (Deut. 32:8) Why?

Stranger

 

[amadeus]

Where is that quoted in Scripture so I can look it up.
If he knows Scripture, then why did he let Jesus die on the cross?

Apparently knowing scripture and knowing the Word of God is not the same thing. Jesus is the Word of God but many people who know about him have never known him... and as a result...?!?!

 

[amadeus]

yes, I never put any thought to it but yes they can and scriptures use animals for symbolic prophesy....example in Revelation....The Dragon is mentioned, the snake in Genesis, the wolf dressed in sheeps clothing (satan)…..the eagle is very symbolic of a Christians place with which God places them....on and on and on.

There is to many it would seem at times confusion between what is a lower animal and what is man who is like a beast or has a beast nature, at least, as we read about them in scripture. Some beasts in scripture are immediately recognized as lower animals while others are immediately recognized as men or something found in men. Perhaps sometimes or even all of the time both meanings are involved.

 

[Phoneman777]

By your own definition Israel was never restored then, when they returned from the Babylonian captivity. Only a small fraction of people returned.

Now you're shifting the point of contention from "borders" to "numbers" in order to put words in my mouth. I did not say the post-Babylonian exile restoration failed - it succeeded when God heard their prayers of repentance and opened the way of them to return to a land whose borders were identical to that which they left 70 years earlier. Today, Israel's borders are but 1/100th of the ancient borders, which you consider "the restoration of Israel" - but you would never consider the return of one dollar as "restoration" if I was court ordered to "restore to you $100" that I'd stolen from you.

The borders will be established at the beginning of the millennium.

Why do you keep shifting the discussion? We are debating whether 1949 brought about a "restoration" of Israel, not events that are still yet future.

The point is, Israel is always a nation of God even though she has never realized the borders that God set. Which in turn means that Israel is a nation now of God even though she is not experiencing the correct borders.

The point of contention is not whether "Israel" remains before God, for it always will. The point of contention is it "Literal Israel" or "Spiritual Israel - the church".

The Jews who Paul claimed 'wrath to the uttermost' (1Thess 2:16), and 'unworthiness of eternal life' (Acts 13:46), are not the same Jews who are the 'Israel of God' (Gal. 6:16). Just like I showed you in (Acts 13:43). The vast majority of Jews rejected the Gospel. They are not the Israel of God. The minority of Jews that received Christ, are the Israel of God; the remnant at this time, (Rom. 11:4-5) "....Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."

Paul didn't say, "...behold, we turn to the "other Jews" and Gentiles". He said, "...to the Gentiles." Away from Israel and to the Gentiles. The "remnant Jewish converts" were NOT part of "Jerusalem which is below" - which Paul turned from - they were part of "Jerusalem which is above", a clear unadulterated reference to the Church of Christ.

God has preserved a remnant of believing Jews at this time that are part of the Church.

You are soooooooo close to accepting the truth that believing Jews are not part of "Literal Israel/Jerusalem which is below" - but are part of "Spiritual Israel/Jerusalem which is above".

This does not make the Church 'spiritual Israel'. It makes the remnant part of the Church, but still the Israel of God.

Of course it makes the church "Spiritual Israel" and the "Israel of God" for Paul would not have pronounced both blessings of "mercy and peace" and also cursings of "wrath" and "unworthiness" on the same group...unless he were suffering some sort of Bi-Polar disorder.

(Gal. 3:29) says nothing about the Church being 'spiritual Israel'. It says nothing about Abrahams seed being Israel. It says, "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." In other words, all who are in Christ are Abrahams seed. See (Gal. 3:26-28).

To deny that the "seed of Abraham" is "Israel" is just plain willful and stubborn. Everyone knows that Abraham's descendants are "Israel", but because Paul qualifies that with "those who belong to Christ", this is denied because to admit this destroys the entire concept of "only one Israel mentioned in Scripture".

Again, which you ignored, (Jer. 16:14-16) and (Jer. 29:10-14) are not speaking of the same return.

I'll bet you a bazillion dollars that if you polled everyone in this forum, 100% of the people would say that those two passages indeed refer to the same 6th century B.C. Babylonian exile. But you want so badly for Scripture to provide you with "evidence" that God at least once didn't require Israel's repentance before He gathered them back to their land (so you can establish that He acted on behalf of Israel in the same manner in 1949) that you want to slice and dice the passage in order to make them different one from another. If you're so sure, then let's get a poll going and see what others say.

The Church is not 'spiritual Israel'. There is nothing to indicate it is.

There are plenty of verses to support what you pro-Khazarian occupiers derogatorily call "replacement theology". But, my point here is to speak about whether 1949 was legit, and since I keep slaying your logic, you keep shifting the discussion.

And you failed to comment on my last paragraph in post #198 concerning how God controls all nations even though they reject Him. (Is. 10:5-7), (Deut. 32:8) Why?

I already commented on this point - I said, yes, it's true that God uses other nations to bring about His will, but the fact that He does is not proof that He did so in 1949.
An examination of the other factors surrounding the events of 1949 leaves no doubt that the enemies of God were indeed behind what happened, and one of the players, the Papacy, stood to gain much by "Israel's restoration", namely, the "establishment" of the false 16th century Jesuit Futurism idea which says "one evil Antichrist man will sit in a rebuilt temple in Israel and broker a 7 year peace treaty yada yada yada..." - an idea that was manufactured as a diversionary tactic against the opposing Protestant forces who were actively killing the Papacy by bringing about the mass exodus of Catholic believers by their Biblical teachings of the Papal Antichrist which is contained in "Protestant Historicism".

 

[Taken]

It has amazed me just how many Christians seem blind to the world happenings around them.

I don't particularly give unwareness credit to Sav-ED and Born Again Christians.

The wars, rumors of wars, turmoil, ungodly promoted life-styles, openly anti-Christ rhetoric, greed, power hungry and on and on .... IS prophecy and expected....

I am sure it is because they expect to be zapped off the earth and "saved" from any terror, control, nastiness.

I'm sure it is prophecy and WILL come to pass, YET the Converted, have already received INNER PEACE, and do not let their heart be troubled.

Zapped off the Earth? Yes. As in the days of Noah; (himself a remnant of mankind) He was Faithful and was risen Above the face of the Waters, as the Water cleansed the earth, and destroyed what had life in it, from the face of the Earth.

So also, shall those Faithful Converted IN Christ and members of HIS Church, be risen up Above the face of Earth, while the Face of the earth is purified with Fire, and destroy All the living (reserving a few, being the remnant who Believe IN God, but not that the Christ is the Lord Jesus.

THEN when the Lord Jesus Descends from the Clouds, To the Earth, He does so WITH 10,000 of His saints.

He "calls" many to BE saints, Few are chosen.
The Converted are saints.

But what if?

Not sure how you conclude, WHICH Saints will come WITH Him....however NO saint can COME WITH Him, if they are already here...
(As you pose the What if question).

What if it doesn't happen ?
What if it doesn't happen when you thought it would happen.

I would say....if one is WONDERING "IF"...they have no need to "be concerned" about being "zapped" up.
Because it is the Converted, Christ's Church that shall be raised up, according to Scripture, and one "still WONDERING", is not one Converted.

Remember the disciples....believing, denying, wondering, believing, doubting......??
It was not until they Trusted to Believe Him, and Confess TO Him, that they became Converted

Are you spiritually and emotionally prepared?

Absolutely.

They have OPENLY told us that the One World Order is coming. Even the wording is always the same.
The world of dictatorship and laws...
We are losing our freedoms fast...has anyone noticed?

Of course. And have you noticed how many parents can hardly wait to shuffle their kids off to public indoctrination....and the last several generations growing into adulthood begging and clammoring for and demanding more and more liberty raping legislation?
Of course the "govt's" are more than happy to oblige...."they" the politicos are all backing stabbing the oppositions to death hoping when it comes to a World Government ..."THEY" will be positioned to be seated in the Royal Seat of the World Govt's round table, blabbing out bigger Lies and bigger Promises on a Grand Scale. And for 3 1/2 years men will be either duped into this false peace or electing to become Converted IN Christ. <--- neither of those things APPLY to man already Converted IN Christ.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

Now you're shifting the point of contention from "borders" to "numbers" in order to put words in my mouth. I did not say the post-Babylonian exile restoration failed - it succeeded when God heard their prayers of repentance and opened the way of them to return to a land whose borders were identical to that which they left 70 years earlier. Today, Israel's borders are but 1/100th of the ancient borders, which you consider "the restoration of Israel" - but you would never consider the return of one dollar as "restoration" if I was court ordered to "restore to you $100" that I'd stolen from you.
Why do you keep shifting the discussion? We are debating whether 1949 brought about a "restoration" of Israel, not events that are still yet future.
The point of contention is not whether "Israel" remains before God, for it always will. The point of contention is it "Literal Israel" or "Spiritual Israel - the church".
Paul didn't say, "...behold, we turn to the "other Jews" and Gentiles". He said, "...to the Gentiles." Away from Israel and to the Gentiles. The "remnant Jewish converts" were NOT part of "Jerusalem which is below" - which Paul turned from - they were part of "Jerusalem which is above", a clear unadulterated reference to the Church of Christ.
You are soooooooo close to accepting the truth that believing Jews are not part of "Literal Israel/Jerusalem which is below" - but are part of "Spiritual Israel/Jerusalem which is above".
Of course it makes the church "Spiritual Israel" and the "Israel of God" for Paul would not have pronounced both blessings of "mercy and peace" and also cursings of "wrath" and "unworthiness" on the same group...unless he were suffering some sort of Bi-Polar disorder.
To deny that the "seed of Abraham" is "Israel" is just plain willful and stubborn. Everyone knows that Abraham's descendants are "Israel", but because Paul qualifies that with "those who belong to Christ", this is denied because to admit this destroys the entire concept of "only one Israel mentioned in Scripture".
I'll bet you a bazillion dollars that if you polled everyone in this forum, 100% of the people would say that those two passages indeed refer to the same 6th century B.C. Babylonian exile. But you want so badly for Scripture to provide you with "evidence" that God at least once didn't require Israel's repentance before He gathered them back to their land (so you can establish that He acted on behalf of Israel in the same manner in 1949) that you want to slice and dice the passage in order to make them different one from another. If you're so sure, then let's get a poll going and see what others say.
There are plenty of verses to support what you pro-Khazarian occupiers derogatorily call "replacement theology". But, my point here is to speak about whether 1949 was legit, and since I keep slaying your logic, you keep shifting the discussion.
I already commented on this point - I said, yes, it's true that God uses other nations to bring about His will, but the fact that He does is not proof that He did so in 1949.
An examination of the other factors surrounding the events of 1949 leaves no doubt that the enemies of God were indeed behind what happened, and one of the players, the Papacy, stood to gain much by "Israel's restoration", namely, the "establishment" of the false 16th century Jesuit Futurism idea which says "one evil Antichrist man will sit in a rebuilt temple in Israel and broker a 7 year peace treaty yada yada yada..." - an idea that was manufactured as a diversionary tactic against the opposing Protestant forces who were actively killing the Papacy by bringing about the mass exodus of Catholic believers by their Biblical teachings of the Papal Antichrist which is contained in "Protestant Historicism".

I'm not shifting anythng. You stated the borders were important to indicate God established a return of the people of Israel to the land. What I am saying is that the borders have never been fully realized that God desires for Israel. The borders were the largest, land wise, under the rule of David. But under Solomon the Kingdom split thus you have change of borders.

I don't know how you think that the borders of Judah remained the same when Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity. There were three returns involved. The first return was centered on rebuilding the temple, led by Zerubbabel. (Ezra 1-6) (Ezra 2:2) (Ezra 5:2) That was their now border. The second came some 80 years later and was centered on bringing reform to those who had returned the first time, led by Ezra. (Ezra 7-10) (Ezra 7:6) (Ezra 7:10) (Ezra 7:25-26) The third return came some 13 years later under Nehemiah, and was centered on rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem. ((Neh. 1:1-3) That would be the extent of their borders then. And even then the remnant was under the heel of the Persian empire.

My point is that the borders did not matter as to whether God was in the return or not.

I gave several verses concerning what Paul said. If you want to address something Paul has said, you need to give the verse you are alluding to. Clarity.

I don't know what you mean when you say I am 'sooooooo close' to believing something. As you did not explain why or how, neither does anyone else.

I have already explained to you that Paul was addressing different Jews when pronouncing wrath and unworthiness on some and peace and mercy on the Israel of God. See again (Acts 13:43,46). It is not hard to see the distinction.

And I explained already (Gal. 3:29) concerning the seed of Abraham. Yes, Israel is of the seed of Abraham. But, only those Jews who are of the faith of Abraham make up the Israel of God. In other words, a Jew and of the faith of Abraham. The Church is also of the seed of Abraham because we too are of the faith of Abraham. That does not make the Church spiritual Israel. It does make us of the seed of Abraham. (Gal. 3:26-28) (Rom. 4:12)

I don't try and understand a Bible passage using polls on a forum. Talk abut confusion. Actually it really doesn't matter to me at all if God brings the Jews back in an unbelieving state or a repentant state to the land. I know that His purpose for Israel will be accomplished and they will as one nation turn to back to God and receive Christ as their Messiah. You're the one that has demanded that condition. I have said it doesn't matter to God how He gets them back to the land. God moves unbelieving nations all the time. As I also showed you.

Well, Israel is back in the land. They have been since May of 1948 when they were declared a state. They regained Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in 1967. Their borders continue to increase. You acknowledge God moves unbelieving nations but you cannot see God's hand in establishing Israel again as a nation of His.

I don't know what you're talking about with your papacy conspiracy and other conspiratorial jargon.

Stranger

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I'm not shifting anythng. You stated the borders were important to indicate God established a return of the people of Israel to the land. What I am saying is that the borders have never been fully realized that God desires for Israel. The borders were the largest, land wise, under the rule of David. But under Solomon the Kingdom split thus you have change of borders.

I don't know how you think that the borders of Judah remained the same when Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity. There were three returns involved. The first return was centered on rebuilding the temple, led by Zerubbabel. (Ezra 1-6) (Ezra 2:2) (Ezra 5:2) That was their now border. The second came some 80 years later and was centered on bringing reform to those who had returned the first time, led by Ezra. (Ezra 7-10) (Ezra 7:6) (Ezra 7:10) (Ezra 7:25-26) The third return came some 13 years later under Nehemiah, and was centered on rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem. ((Neh. 1:1-3) That would be the extent of their borders then. And even then the remnant was under the heel of the Persian empire.

My point is that the borders did not matter as to whether God was in the return or not.

I gave several verses concerning what Paul said. If you want to address something Paul has said, you need to give the verse you are alluding to. Clarity.

I don't know what you mean when you say I am 'sooooooo close' to believing something. As you did not explain why or how, neither does anyone else.

I have already explained to you that Paul was addressing different Jews when pronouncing wrath and unworthiness on some and peace and mercy on the Israel of God. See again (Acts 13:43,46). It is not hard to see the distinction.

And I explained already (Gal. 3:29) concerning the seed of Abraham. Yes, Israel is of the seed of Abraham. But, only those Jews who are of the faith of Abraham make up the Israel of God. In other words, a Jew and of the faith of Abraham. The Church is also of the seed of Abraham because we too are of the faith of Abraham. That does not make the Church spiritual Israel. It does make us of the seed of Abraham. (Gal. 3:26-28) (Rom. 4:12)

I don't try and understand a Bible passage using polls on a forum. Talk abut confusion. Actually it really doesn't matter to me at all if God brings the Jews back in an unbelieving state or a repentant state to the land. I know that His purpose for Israel will be accomplished and they will as one nation turn to back to God and receive Christ as their Messiah. You're the one that has demanded that condition. I have said it doesn't matter to God how He gets them back to the land. God moves unbelieving nations all the time. As I also showed you.

Well, Israel is back in the land. They have been since May of 1948 when they were declared a state. They regained Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in 1967. Their borders continue to increase. You acknowledge God moves unbelieving nations but you cannot see God's hand in establishing Israel again as a nation of His.

I don't know what you're talking about with your papacy conspiracy and other conspiratorial jargon.

Stranger

Israel is not back in the Land, Talmud Zionist called it Israel, it's just a name they use like a brochure portraying a lie and any True devout Jewish person will tell you that the State called Israel is not Israel at all.
It's only fools who believe it's Israel, every atheist I know clams it to be Israel that i have ever talked to as does every non believing atheist Jew that I know and it's because they are totally ignorant, they do not even have a clue what the word means for a start and the only so called Christians that claim it to be Israel are truly Satanist and Anti-Christ, such is a fact and such only want to destroy and kill support abortion, sodomites, Socialism, Political Correctness etc and believe that they themselves are going to be raptured up, so they will not go through the Hell fire, but they will.
The Rapture is total crap, a tool used by Satan.

 

[Stranger]

Israel is not back in the Land, Talmud Zionist called it Israel, it's just a name they use like a brochure portraying a lie and any True devout Jewish person will tell you that the State called Israel is not Israel at all.
It's only fools who believe it's Israel, every atheist I know clams it to be Israel that i have ever talked to as does every non believing atheist Jew that I know and it's because they are totally ignorant, they do not even have a clue what the word means for a start and the only so called Christians that claim it to be Israel are truly Satanist and Anti-Christ, such is a fact and such only want to destroy and kill support abortion, sodomites, Socialism, Political Correctness etc and believe that they themselves are going to be raptured up, so they will not go through the Hell fire, but they will.
The Rapture is total crap, a tool used by Satan.

Since when do you take unbelieving Jews, and atheists opinion concerning what you believe about Israel...or anything else for that matter?

I have no doubt that you must interpret 'Israel', when spoken of in the New Testament, as now being the Church. Do you? If so, why?

Stranger

 

[Taken]

Since when do you take unbelieving Jews, and atheists opinion concerning what you believe about Israel...or anything else for that matter?

I have no doubt that you must interpret 'Israel', when spoken of in the New Testament, as now being the Church. Do you? If so, why?

Stranger

Israel is a People, Gods People.

It is the People "that" change, not the name ISRAEL, or WHO is Israel.

There WERE / are stock (sperm) descendants who were included, as Israel, by natural bloodline. But some LEFT, denying God, and taking on thoughts, ways and customs of Gentiles.

And then there WERE / are Gentile's who LEFT, their denying of the Hebrew God, and belief in His Son, and they become "adopted" into Israel; Gods People.

The Hebrews/ 12 Tribes/ Jews who maintain belief in God , and remain under the Law, until their end of physical life....
Are Israel; Gods People.

The Gentiles (and Jews) who believe in God AND Christ The Lord Jesus And have given their Life To Him are forever ISRAEL; Gods People.

Israel "the Nation" / (that sliver of Land) is via, mans political, diplomacy, treaty agreements.

The Land inheritance for Gods People (Israel) is already established....but not yet realized.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

Israel is a People, Gods People.

It is the People "that" change, not the name ISRAEL, or WHO is Israel.

There WERE / are stock (sperm) descendants who were included, as Israel, by natural bloodline. But some LEFT, denying God, and taking on thoughts, ways and customs of Gentiles.

And then there WERE / are Gentile's who LEFT, their denying of the Hebrew God, and belief in His Son, and they become "adopted" into Israel; Gods People.

The Hebrews/ 12 Tribes/ Jews who maintain belief in God , and remain under the Law, until their end of physical life....
Are Israel; Gods People.

The Gentiles (and Jews) who believe in God AND Christ The Lord Jesus And have given their Life To Him are forever ISRAEL; Gods People.

Israel "the Nation" / (that sliver of Land) is via, mans political, diplomacy, treaty agreements.

The Land inheritance for Gods People (Israel) is already established....but not yet realized.

God Bless,
Taken

I disagree with all you have said.

Stranger

 

[Triumph1300]

The Rapture is total crap, a tool used by Satan.

If that's true, what harm does satan do by using the "rapture" ?

And why do you write "satan" with a capital "s" ?

 

[Taken]

I disagree with all you have said.

Stranger

Ok.

 

[Truth]

I liked your post...but I disagree at the end bit...I believe it will be the World Bankers myself.

Rev 6:
15 "And the 'kings' of the earth, and the 'great' men, and the 'rich men', and the 'chief captains', and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb.."

Financial Collapse will be the determining factor in the Lives of everyone, there are going to be a huge amount of believers that will watch their Retirement Vanish when the Currency, Values drop to nothing. All that was saved up for themselves, worthless!! Would have been better to have helped those in need, as they will be then!

 

[Willie T]

If that's true, what harm does satan do by using the "rapture" ?

And why do you write "satan" with a capital "s" ?

Because the Bible does?

 

[TammyinWI]

Because the Bible does?

Yes, you are correct. Personally, I know that I have chosen to not show any respect for the enemy of our souls. He hates me and all of humanity (and anything Good) and wants to keep all in misery and bondage. So, I am glad that God knows our hearts.

For me, it is, "get behind me satan, in Jesus' Precious Name I do pray!"

 

[Triumph1300]

For me, it is, "get behind me satan, in Jesus' Precious Name I do pray!"

With a small "s"....

 

[Triumph1300]

Because the Bible does?

Depends on the translation.

 

[Willie T]

Are we to expect to see Judas with a lower-case "s"? Or Pharaoh and Pharisee with lower-case "s"?

 

[TammyinWI]

Does that REALLY matter? How come you are advocating for satan?

But what? "s" at the end? j? p?

 

[Triumph1300]

Are we to expect to see Judas with a lower-case "s"? Or Pharaoh and Pharisee with lower-case "s"?

Actually my bible has satan with a lower case.
But if you want him with a capital S, that fine to me.