The role of the Holy Spirit

[aspen]

God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit IS God. Jesus is also God. He claimed if you have seen Him then you HAVE already seen the Father. God is Spirit and He is holy, as He Himself has said. Super doctrines like the trinity were not pulled out of thin air.

Also, we are his Body so how is that NOT confusing? It always mystifies me when Mormons talk about how confusing the Doctrine of the Trinty is, but they easily accept that they are the Body of Christ and the Bride if Christ at the same time

 

[Helen]

this "person" of the Holy Spirit is a bunch of polytheistic Roman yack imo

Well I am glad that it is just "your opinion" Mark.
Our family actually did meet the queen back in the early 60's ...a person cannot un-meet someone once they have met them.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Also, we are his Body so how is that NOT confusing? It always mystifies me when Mormons talk about how confusing the Doctrine of the Trinty is, but they easily accept that they are the Body of Christ and the Bride if Christ at the same time

Yes, confusing. No one listens to Jesus testify that He is God and that God is Spirit, without some stupefaction and wonderment and confusion. Sort of akin to an ant trying to comprehend a skyscraper. He can't because it's too large for his scope of sight. So he follows the scent he has laid down.

 

[Willie T]

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How have you been Willie?

Well, I was banned from Christian Chat because I dared to tell someone in a PM that I thought the forum of 83,000 members was probably getting about $500 a month donated. RoboOp immediately banned me and sent out a post that I was "spreading poison about him."

I was banned from CF because I would not agree to tell a 27 year-old woman that she probably should base her theology on Disney movies. The mods said I had to tell her it was OK to do that. I refused, and immediately got banned for "not accepting the rules."

 

[Nancy]

Sorry @Nancy for de-railing your serious thread.
I repent in dust and ashes...

Well if it was going to be de-railed, I am honored to have it be you sister ♥

 

[Willie T]

I regret that I will be leaving on the first day I joined the site. I can't stand antirecessionary sects...

I agree. I might leave too. I'm pretty sure we need more recessions...…. just too much money floating around. And the Bible tells us we are supposed to hate money.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Bbyd, you have written thousands of posts on this board and i have enjoyed reading them - don’t get me wrong, but.....

I have no idea what you believe - i have no idea if you are a Christian or not - a gnostic, perhaps?

Have you posted a testimony somewhere?

I have to admit; I haven't figured him out yet either, LoL.

 

[Willie T]

My wife and I were actually called into the office of a CoC church where we were teaching an adult Sunday School class. We were told by the Elders that we had to STOP referring to The Holy Spirit as "He". We were informed that "IT" was merely the power that had the Bible written, and that interprets it for us.

To the CoC, the H.S. is, basically, not much more than the ink on the pages of the Bible.

 

[Willie T]

The Bible tells us "not to frustrate the Holy Spirit." How can you frustrate an "It"?

 

[Helen]

My wife and I were actually called into the office of a CoC church where we were teaching an adult Sunday School class. We were told by the Elders that we had to STOP referring to The Holy Spirit as "He". We were informed that "IT" was merely the power that had the Bible written, and that interprets it for us.

To the CoC, the H.S. is, basically, not much more than the ink on the pages of the Bible.

As Phillip is prone to say “ WOW, JUST WOW!! “

PS
( how on earth could a person be banned from a site via a PM???? )

 

[Helen]

The Bible tells us "not to frustrate the Holy Spirit." How can you frustrate an "It"?

Excellent point...which can not be argued against.

 

[Stranger]

Bbyd, you have written thousands of posts on this board and i have enjoyed reading them - don’t get me wrong, but.....

I have no idea what you believe - i have no idea if you are a Christian or not - a gnostic, perhaps?

Have you posted a testimony somewhere?

Try the muslim section.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit IS God. Jesus is also God. He claimed if you have seen Him then you HAVE already seen the Father. God is Spirit and He is holy, as He Himself has said.

wadr the best post for God as Spirit--not person--i've prolly ever read. Why it is directed at me i'm not quite sure tho, but ntmy btw :)

Super doctrines like the trinity were not pulled out of thin air.

personally i have no probs with it in theory, unless it's tacking "persons" into it. In practice tho, yikes

 

[bbyrd009]

Bbyd, you have written thousands of posts on this board and i have enjoyed reading them - don’t get me wrong, but.....

I have no idea what you believe - i have no idea if you are a Christian or not - a gnostic, perhaps?

Have you posted a testimony somewhere?

i'm maybe more of a Yahwist or something, at the moment? i don't really try to ID my faith any more tbh. i started Baptist and worked my way down thru charismatic, messianic, prosperity, pentecostal. i am anti-gnostic, i have no esoteric knowledge that will help anyone, imo a 4 year old would serve most ppl better i guess.

by way of explanation i guess maybe i'm just Asperger's enough to be struck by religious words redefined like "testimony" that sound to me like they belong in the mouth of someone who is under the law, the Asperger's part coming in where even though i like and respect you i don't have that gene that would cause/allow most ppl to refrain from doing what i'm doing right now?

Bc i don't care about the word "testimony," i'm just using that to make the point. Imo no one really wants to hear this IRL i guess; particularly from a friend--which i do not get at all, i mean you'd rather hear it from a perceived enemy?--but ppl who define testimony that way will prolly get burned a little

so, most ppl would refrain from doing this, right, and overlook the dichotomy this causes, bc ostensibly "friends" right, but really to me it's more of a way to recognize and overlook a friend's worship/fear. Which don't get me wrong i will do IRL now, at least until the lapse verges on a breach and i feel compelled, iow someone is about to catch on fire or something

and even then they would be a third party wandering by in the line of fire or something for me to say anything now most likely.

i tell my friends who ask me why i didn't "say something" now to come here and ask :)

 

[bbyrd009]

I thought we were still determining what the word ‘is’ is.....

nice, imo that is actually ezackly what we are doing in a sense. The wind is very real, right, but we cannot touch it or point to it, or even say where it came from, or why it stops. Leaving aside that we now know it is made up of molecules of gas, it is really just a manifestation to us, right, a thing without a body. Just like Spirit. Spirit is too, and anthropomorphising spirits is a great way to remain ignorant of what a spirit really is imo, when any 4 year old can tell you what spirit their dog will be in when they open the front door to greet them, right? oh, was this the "worship" one? nevermind then :)
genuine worship is __________
true religion is _________
i think these are both defined in the Book already

 

[bbyrd009]

The Bible tells us "not to frustrate the Holy Spirit." How can you frustrate an "It"?

how can you kill a spirit? i could name ten ways prolly wadr. 1)Wet Blanket

 

[bbyrd009]

Well I am glad that it is just "your opinion" Mark.
Our family actually did meet the queen back in the early 60's ...a person cannot un-meet someone once they have met them.

you are helping make my point here imo?

you met the queen, but you experience the Spirit, right, you never get a reply or anything from a "person" deemed "Holy Spirit" like you might get a reply from the queen, and we even have vv making this plain i guess

 

[Helen]

i'm maybe more of a Yahwist or something, at the moment? i don't really try to ID my faith any more tbh. i started Baptist and worked my way down thru charismatic, messianic, prosperity, pentecostal. i am anti-gnostic, i have no esoteric knowledge that will help anyone, imo a 4 year old would serve most ppl better i guess.

by way of explanation i guess maybe i'm just Asperger's enough to be struck by religious words redefined like "testimony" that sound to me like they belong in the mouth of someone who is under the law, the Asperger's part coming in where even though i like and respect you i don't have that gene that would cause/allow most ppl to refrain from doing what i'm doing right now?

Bc i don't care about the word "testimony," i'm just using that to make the point. Imo no one really wants to hear this IRL i guess; particularly from a friend--which i do not get at all, i mean you'd rather hear it from a perceived enemy?--but ppl who define testimony that way will prolly get burned a little

so, most ppl would refrain from doing this, right, and overlook the dichotomy this causes, bc ostensibly "friends" right, but really to me it's more of a way to recognize and overlook a friend's worship/fear. Which don't get me wrong i will do IRL now, at least until the lapse verges on a breach and i feel compelled, iow someone is about to catch on fire or something, and even then they would be a third party wandering by in the line of fire or something for me to say anything now most likely.

i tell my friends who ask me why i didn't "say something" now to come here and ask :)

Glad that you posted that Mark...you didn't have to...but you did anyway.
I doubt that you'd do it for anyone other than our friend Aspen.
He is a good , open, and honest guy. :)

 

[Helen]

how can you kill a spirit? i could name ten ways prolly wadr. 1)Wet Blanket

Ha! I never thought of that! :)
You must be very good at playing "Christmas Games". ( if you ever did I mean)

 

[bbyrd009]

You must be very good at playing "Christmas Games". ( if you ever did I mean)

ha! nope, terrible at them usually :)