Depression

[Jane_Doe22]

How far back would you like to go?
Do you have a daughter? Maybe she could birth her baby without an epidural?
Maybe someone could have their leg cut off without anesthesia?
Maybe my husband would already be dead from Parkinson's?

What are you saying Stranger??

Well said. Many illnesses are long term and can be helped with proper medical treatment. The fact that an illness is chronic doesn't mean the sufferer doesn't have faith -- just like Paul whom did have His thorn is the flesh removed.

 

[Willie T]

My denomination and I are very heavily engaged in active, physical, hands-on healing. But I personally think anyone who tries to accuse another of lack of faith because they are ill should have their sorry butts kicked all the way to the gutter where that kind of self-righteous rhetoric belongs.

 

[Helen]

@Willie T Amen to that...that was very 80's Word Faith and all that.
Even though we were "In it" at the time... and like you...very into laying on of hands and healing...( still are ) that "lack of faith thing" is just a self-righteous religious thing. It stinks.

 

[Nancy]

Haha!! The Milk which WAS, and the "milk" which is are two different things.
Their milk did not have the antibiotics , pester-sides , growth hormones and all the chemicals that our does now.

Same as the "wheat"...what we call wheat is nothing at all the same as the real wheat which they have found in the tombs of Egypt...the real wheat the Joseph would have stocked in the Pharaohs warehouses ready to feed the known world in famine.

Google todays "wheat" and ancient wheat... it is amazing ....

GMO's And, chicken doesn't even taste like chicken anymore! The world is going to heck in a hand-basket

 

[Nancy]

sugar is just pure carbohydrate, nothing wrong with sugar per se, weird as that sounds.
It is really only poison to those who consume little or nothing else i guess, and then compound the mistake by not burning any of it off? Glycemic index is likely more important.

there are about 25% of the world pop that continues to produce lactase into adulthood, but i doubt that is anyone reading this. Milk products are a great thing for most ppl to avoid imo; consume cheese instead. From raw milk, not the poison in the grocery store.

the links for dairy and depression are pretty well known now; or at least one highlight/search can reveal them i guess

Also need to watch carbs. That is what I have largely cut out of my diet. Carbs and sugar. Bad carbs, that is! Took a year but, I have lost pretty much all the fat around my waste and since I have no hips, lol...none of my slacks fit me without a belt!!! Ahaha.

 

[Naomi25]

i deal with anxiety and major depression - i have dealt with the symptoms my whole life. Christians have a bad track record of recognizing the existence of mental illness in faithful Christians - as if a real relationship with Christ washes away all dispair. All i can say is, ‘it would sure be nice if that was the case. Not sure why some people acknowledge that God chooses not to cure Autism or spinal cord injuries, but must legitimize the relationship by wiping away all mental issues.

Anyone deal with clinic depression? Have you ever been told to pray harder?

I deal with anxiety daily and had post-natal depression after both my kids were born. It was like being buried under a tonne of bricks. And no amount of praying or telling myself that I had no reason to feel it, made it better. The simple matter of it is, sometimes depression comes from brain chemistry doing a dance. And that is not something you can just fix with positive thinking. It takes medication.
I know some will say that we should pray for God to re-balance the chemicals, and sure, of course we always pray for God to step into our struggles. But as aspen pointed out, God does not often cure colds, broken legs, autism, downs syndrome or anxiety. What he does do is give us the common grace of doctors and medication. So the true foolishness is to ignore this common grace and not seek the help we can get.

 

[Nancy]

I deal with anxiety daily and had post-natal depression after both my kids were born. It was like being buried under a tonne of bricks. And no amount of praying or telling myself that I had no reason to feel it, made it better. The simple matter of it is, sometimes depression comes from brain chemistry doing a dance. And that is not something you can just fix with positive thinking. It takes medication.
I know some will say that we should pray for God to re-balance the chemicals, and sure, of course we always pray for God to step into our struggles. But as aspen pointed out, God does not often cure colds, broken legs, autism, downs syndrome or anxiety. What he does do is give us the common grace of doctors and medication. So the true foolishness is to ignore this common grace and not seek the help we can get.

Good post Naomi. You describe depression very well. I liken it to sitting in a slowly drying vat of cement up to your neck and you can't seem to make a move or a decision to save your life. And yes, try to get yourself into a prayer posture in that state...that's when I so completely rely on the Holy Spirit to pray with groanings for me. One thing for sure though God always brings us through and, I will never be apologetic for taking meds that help immensely.
God Bless you sister,
-nancy

 

[Helen]

AMEN @Naomi25

It is not that He can't or wont...in my life it has often been that He is teaching me something else...often that I must draw more on His strength. But I do not enjoy " Learning lessons"...
Depression can be like a suffocating think cloud that settles on our head...
Don't you just hate the Devil....

Good posts
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[Helen]

Great post @Nancy Well said.

Praise God He has given us the Body of Christ to "carry us" in prayer when we are not able... xx

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[Nancy]

Great post @Nancy Well said.

Praise God He has given us the Body of Christ to "carry us" in prayer when we are not able... xx

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A big amen there!!

 

[Nancy]

AMEN @Naomi25

It is not that He can't or wont...in my life it has often been that He is teaching me something else...often that I must draw more on His strength. But I do not enjoy " Learning lessons"...
Depression can be like a suffocating think cloud that settles on our head...
Don't you just hate the Devil....

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The devil is the only thing I hate, besides sin. He has stolen most of my life and I will not let him take another minute of it!!! He knows his end

 

[Naomi25]

Good post Naomi. You describe depression very well. I liken it to sitting in a slowly drying vat of cement up to your neck and you can't seem to make a move or a decision to save your life. And yes, try to get yourself into a prayer posture in that state...that's when I so completely rely on the Holy Spirit to pray with groanings for me. One thing for sure though God always brings us through and, I will never be apologetic for taking meds that help immensely.
God Bless you sister,
-nancy

Oh yes! And having people try and 'reason' with you about things? It's like they cannot see reality like you can. It's hard getting to the point where you acknowledge that what is going on in your mind and emotions is not your fault and is not as bleak as it appears. It's often only then that you can accept the need for outside help, and realize that it's actually okay to get it.

For anyone to suggest that taking medication is unacceptable for a Christian, well...they need to up the anti. If they show their own faith in such matters by not taking medication for infections, or headaches, or colds and flu's or any other numerous afflictions people come down with daily, then at the very least I would congratulate them for not being a raging hypocrite. But every time they chortle off to the doctor or Pharmacy, they are accepting God's common grace of medication.

AMEN @Naomi25

It is not that He can't or wont...in my life it has often been that He is teaching me something else...often that I must draw more on His strength. But I do not enjoy " Learning lessons"...
Depression can be like a suffocating think cloud that settles on our head...
Don't you just hate the Devil....

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I don't think that Satan is behind every case of depression, but I absolutely agree that every time a child of God struggles with it, he is most likely delighted.
But you are right again...I don't think what Satan can comprehend is that when we come out the other side, we can see how God has held us through it and brought us closer to him. In our struggles, in our darkness, even in our despair, there is nowhere left to go but into his arms, rather than away from them. It's love, and Satan will never get that.

 

[Heart2Soul]

i deal with anxiety and major depression - i have dealt with the symptoms my whole life. Christians have a bad track record of recognizing the existence of mental illness in faithful Christians - as if a real relationship with Christ washes away all dispair. All i can say is, ‘it would sure be nice if that was the case. Not sure why some people acknowledge that God chooses not to cure Autism or spinal cord injuries, but must legitimize the relationship by wiping away all mental issues.

Anyone deal with clinic depression? Have you ever been told to pray harder?

i deal with anxiety and major depression - i have dealt with the symptoms my whole life. Christians have a bad track record of recognizing the existence of mental illness in faithful Christians - as if a real relationship with Christ washes away all dispair. All i can say is, ‘it would sure be nice if that was the case. Not sure why some people acknowledge that God chooses not to cure Autism or spinal cord injuries, but must legitimize the relationship by wiping away all mental issues.


Anyone deal with clinic depression? Have you ever been told to pray harder?

I have been taught by Lester Sumrall that if something is in your life that has you bound or captive it may be a demonic spirit that has attached itself to you.... His teachings can be found on YouTube.....

Also this link has some excellent teachings about how they operate against God's people if you care to check it out.

https://www.bible-knowledge.com/different-kinds-of-demonic-spirits/
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This is just an excerpt of the teaching.
5. Mental Health
The Bible tells us that God has given us a spirit of power, love, and a “sound mind.” And what do you think demons will want to try and do just off this one verse alone – to try and give all of us an unsound mind. In other words, they will try to make us mentally unstable as much as they can.

Here is the verse from our Bible giving us this very powerful revelation about God wanting to give all of us a very sound mind in Him:

“For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.” (2 Timothy 1:7)

This, without question, is one of the favorite games that demons will try and play with all of us. If they can make us mentally unstable to any significant degree, they will then be able to do significant damage to our abilities to our operate in our callings for the Lord, if not completely knock us right out of our calls.

Here are some of the function names of the demons who will operate in this realm:

• Fear
• Depression
• Torment
• Dread
• Hopelessness
• Despair
• Insecurity
• Paranoia
• Suspicion
• Distrust
• Insecurity
• Loneliness
• Shyness
• Discouragement
• Passivity
• Lying
• Deceit
• Antisocial
• Compulsive neurotic behavior
• Phobias
• Madness
• Insanity
• Schizophrenia
• Multiple Personalities
• Hearing Voices
• Mind Control

We all battle some of these types of faults and imperfections from time to time. Not everyone who has fear, shyness, or loneliness on them is under any kind of demonic attack. But where you can get into problems with some of these types of conditions is when demons do move in and try to intensify what you may already be going through.

 

[bbyrd009]

which is always self-inflicted, whether you choose to believe a devil made you do it or not. You reap what you sow.

I deal with anxiety daily and had post-natal depression after both my kids were born. It was like being buried under a tonne of bricks. And no amount of praying or telling myself that I had no reason to feel it, made it better. The simple matter of it is, sometimes depression comes from brain chemistry doing a dance. And that is not something you can just fix with positive thinking. It takes medication.
I know some will say that we should pray for God to re-balance the chemicals, and sure, of course we always pray for God to step into our struggles. But as aspen pointed out, God does not often cure colds, broken legs, autism, downs syndrome or anxiety. What he does do is give us the common grace of doctors and medication. So the true foolishness is to ignore this common grace and not seek the help we can get.

this prolly seems right to us now, but i hope you will consider the possibility that most of our problems stem from deficiencies, not lack of what Scripture would surely deem "magic" pills, that are designed to treat symptoms and not address causes. A cast for a broken arm is one thing, but allopathic medicine is pure evil imo. You reap what you sow.

 

[bbyrd009]

I deal with anxiety daily and had post-natal depression after both my kids were born. It was like being buried under a tonne of bricks.

you are also chronically vitamin D deficient, all your trace metals are whacked, any omega 3 you get is likely by accident and prolly also animal based, you use oil called "canola" and you don't even know what a canola is, all of your protein was fed skittles and tortured every day of its life, our most nourishing plant, hemp, is illegal, and there are just a few of your ton of bricks, Naomi, i could fill this page with bad habits that generally speaking apply to just about every "believer" reading this wadr

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I deal with anxiety daily and had post-natal depression after both my kids were born. It was like being buried under a tonne of bricks. And no amount of praying or telling myself that I had no reason to feel it, made it better. The simple matter of it is, sometimes depression comes from brain chemistry doing a dance. And that is not something you can just fix with positive thinking. It takes medication.
I know some will say that we should pray for God to re-balance the chemicals, and sure, of course we always pray for God to step into our struggles. But as aspen pointed out, God does not often cure colds, broken legs, autism, downs syndrome or anxiety. What he does do is give us the common grace of doctors and medication. So the true foolishness is to ignore this common grace and not seek the help we can get.

I ended up in the unit of the hospital that is locked to protect a person from harming themselves. Spent some time there which didn’t fix anything. I could fill this thread up with the anxiety I’ve experienced but I’m sure it is not any different or worst than others have suffered here. Just know I’m familiar with anxiety and depression. But also know God does heal depression and anxiety. I can testify to it. The anxiety and panic attacks are gone. What depression I have left, is not an overwhelming sense of life being pointless and too difficult to overcome, but of sorrow. Yes, it is not depression at all...but sorrow. Sorrow because I hate evil(calamity) and what it brings(unrest). Sorrow for my children and grandchildren because even though I know the outcome of a broken life that turns to God for new life...I also realize the way into the Kingdom is through tribulation...those tribulations are hard to watch in another and praise Him in the midst. because even though we are fully aware it is the sufferings that drive one toward God...it is still sorrowful to watch.

Sorrow: 2 Corinthians 7:10
[10] For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Much longsuffering: Romans 9:22
[22] What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

1 Corinthians 5:2
[2] And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

Matthew 5:4
[4] Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Used to think this verse only pertained to “mourning” a death of a loved one. But there is a different mourning(it is complete; a deep mourning of a dead life wasted serving self rather than serving Him) and those that enter into it “shall be comforted” with the presence of His Spirit.

 

[bbyrd009]

just like Paul whom did have His thorn is the flesh removed.

ah, where is this passage? ty

 

[bbyrd009]

GMO's And, chicken doesn't even taste like chicken anymore! The world is going to heck in a hand-basket

lol
plenty of real chicken out there, just so you know. A seven pounder should run you about $30, but you will buy it over and over, no lie. You might have to drive a half hour to get it though

 

[bbyrd009]

For anyone to suggest that taking medication is unacceptable for a Christian, well...they need to up the anti. If they show their own faith in such matters by not taking medication for infections, or headaches, or colds and flu's or any other numerous afflictions people come down with daily, then at the very least I would congratulate them for not being a raging hypocrite. But every time they chortle off to the doctor or Pharmacy, they are accepting God's common grace of medication.

"Dead doctors don't lie" Naomi, but do what you think is best
note the Caduceus right on their lapels, ok
and understand you are making a lifestyle choice there;
you cannot serve both iow

 

[Nancy]

lol
plenty of real chicken out there, just so you know. A seven pounder should run you about $30, but you will buy it over and over, no lie. You might have to drive a half hour to get it though

We have a place called Wendells, they have great chicken! Free range, no hormones and just plain good...and yes, it is about a 45 minute-hour drive...but worth it...