Physical Kingdom Problems

[Dave L]

you don't even know when "the" last day is Dave

Only the Father knows this.

 

[bbyrd009]

Did you miss this earlier?

“And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:10–11)

did you miss this earlier?

a big fat amen Dave, you will see Him come down the same way you saw Him go up bro
just like they did
notice no "return" here, but "shall so come in like manner," similar to the other devices that are used to infer a return

 

[Dave L]

did you miss this earlier?

You sound blasphemous to me.

 

[bbyrd009]

Only the Father knows this.

you are such a wise man Dave

 

[bbyrd009]

You sound blasphemous to me.

i hope so Dave, that is the best thing you could possibly have said to me right now, see.
I Quote Return to Me and I will return to you and sound blasphemous to you then too right
put that shovel in and get another load Dave
i sound blasphemous to you bc you have Assumed the Position bro
you are virtually a full-on Oracle right now, i'm not seeing one box not ticked wadr

 

[Dave L]

i hope so Dave, that is the best thing you could possibly have said to me right now, see.
I Quote Return to Me and I will return to you and sound blasphemous to you then too right

If you understand God's (Jesus') omnipresence, he is here now spiritually. But will return bodily on the last day.

“And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:10–11)

 

[bbyrd009]

when you humble yourself and seek is when you find Return to Me and I will return to You
i guess. But you guys bam keep teaching ok, you are doing God's will i am sure
just make sure you know ok, and make plain that there is no doubt

 

[stunnedbygrace]

But it happens after the resurrection on the last day which is when Christ returns bodily into the New Heavens and Earth. It's all part of the same hour.

So we are gathered together in the air to meet Him for a sec and then we glide back down? I guess you could view it that way...

 

[stunnedbygrace]

when you humble yourself and seek is when you find Return to Me and I will return to You
i guess. But you guys bam keep teaching ok, you are doing God's will i am sure
just make sure you know ok, and make plain that there is no doubt

I can't say with the same officious certainty as others do. Just giving my own understanding of what I've read. Not a beach to die on as sis helen says.

 

[Dave L]

when you humble yourself and seek is when you find Return to Me and I will return to You
i guess. But you guys bam keep teaching ok, you are doing God's will i am sure
just make sure you know ok, and make plain that there is no doubt

The problem with "Return to Me and I will return to You" is that the believers never left. It was the wicked unbelievers under the OT who did so. And today, believers do not have this problem. So to whom are you speaking?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I believe wholeheartedly that Dave is correct, Jesus will return physically. I believe there is more than enough scriptural evidence - as I have shown the the series below. Jesus spoke in parables so that only those with eyes to see and ears to hear would understand, and so it is with scripture. Quite often the revelations are hidden in the scriptures - with plenty of scriptural evidence to support them. Those without eyes to see and ears to hear will only have the scales removed if they humble themselves and seek.

i believe He will return physically too, but think our gathering to meet Him in the air is a diff event.

 

[Dave L]

So we are gathered together in the air to meet Him for a sec and then we glide back down? I guess you could view it that way...

Jesus resurrects and raptures us into the New Heavens and Earth on the last day as this universe melts down being replaced by the New.

 

[Dave L]

i believe He will return physically too, but think our gathering to meet Him in the air is a diff event.

I think he is removing us as this earth explodes.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I think he is removing us as this earth explodes.

Sounds li ke a blockbuster movie.☺

 

[bbyrd009]

The problem with "Return to Me and I will return to You" is that the believers never left. It was the wicked unbelievers under the OT who did so. And today, believers do not have this problem.

ah ok, well i'm a believer and i have that problem, but my mistake i guess Dave, ty

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Jesus resurrects and raptures us into the New Heavens and Earth on the last day as this universe melts down being replaced by the New.

i hear ya. I just believe there are 2 comings. Once in the air, and once when all will see Him.

we will find out one glorious day.☺

 

[Enoch111]

Enoch, the way you are speaking to others is what is unprofitable brother. Could we talk calmly? Aren't you the one who said that to me the other day when I was speaking harshly? I appreciated you speaking to me about my behavior.

To tell you the truth I was quite annoyed with the title of this thread -- "Physical Kingdom Problems" -- especially when the establishment of Christ's literal and visible Kingdom will be a glorious thing. It is the opposite of *problems*, since the Lord will actually establish universal peace and righteousness on earth.

So what I will do is post a thread to present the truth about this, rather than go back and forth with naysayers.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

To tell you the truth I was quite annoyed with the title of this thread -- "Physical Kingdom Problems" -- especially when the establishment of Christ's literal and visible Kingdom will be a glorious thing. It is the opposite of *problems*, since the Lord will actually establish universal peace and righteousness on earth.

So what I will do is post a thread to present the truth about this, rather than go back and forth with naysayers.

just don't get mad. It's a discussion. ☺

 

[bbyrd009]

"ima tell you the truth" is not code for "discussion" in my experience

i believe He will return physically too

so much for the Body of Christ i guess huh, looks like He is literally gonna need it back dunnit?
lol

 

[bbyrd009]

I think he is removing us as this earth explodes.

Jesus resurrects and raptures us into the New Heavens and Earth on the last day as this universe melts down being replaced by the New.

18time to destroy those who destroy the earth

doesn't make too much sense in that context wadr, rabbi