Calvinism is NOT a Cult!

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Mjh29

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Lol! Funny thing, we believe in unconditional election, that God chooses based on nothing in man, good or bad, and are mocked for being "special" which is ignorant, non sequitur, and absurd.

On the other hand they teach God chose them because they came to him out of true love and chose him, but it's really all him and not due to anything they've done. Lol!!![/QUOTE]

I read their posts, about how they choose God and yet it is not a work, and I'm like:
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Romans 9:15 --> God has mercy on those whom He wants to have mercy, and does not on those whom He does not want to. Mercy is the Lords to dispense. He also hardens all whom he chooses to harden


Ephesians 1:11 --> We are chosen in God, and are predestined, not according to anything God foresaw we would do, but according to what God saw would bring Himself the ultimate glory

Hebrews 6:17 --> God chose whom He chose simply to show the immutability of His counsel, not based on foreseen faith

James 1:13 --> God is not the one that makes man sin, and therefore does not condemn them to hell; their sins condemn them to hell.

1 John 1:5 --> God is the light of men, and without Him we can only choose darkness

Proverbs 16:33 --> If God controls all things, even the smallest measures such as lots and seeming change, much more does He control those whom will enter His kingdom in Heaven

Matthew 17:12 --> Men did not know Jesus, even when he was before them in the flesh; much less can they know him now apart from the work of the holy spirit

John 19:11 --> There is no power unless Jesus give it, especially the power to believe

Acts 2:23 --> Jesus death and whom he would die for was based not on foreknown righteousness, but on the counsel of God.

Acts 4:27-28 --> God knows and allows everything that will ever happen to happen, and this especially includes who is and isn't converted by the work of His Spirit.

I could continue, but I'll let you try and deny these first before I waste my time.
It’s simple to see what’s being argued here. Gods glory vs mans glory. It’s impossible to be seen through self righteous prideful eyes.[/QUOTE]
Just goes to show how we should humble ourselves before God...
 

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Romans 9:15 --> God has mercy on those whom He wants to have mercy, and does not on those whom He does not want to. Mercy is the Lords to dispense. He also hardens all whom he chooses to harden


Ephesians 1:11 --> We are chosen in God, and are predestined, not according to anything God foresaw we would do, but according to what God saw would bring Himself the ultimate glory

Hebrews 6:17 --> God chose whom He chose simply to show the immutability of His counsel, not based on foreseen faith

James 1:13 --> God is not the one that makes man sin, and therefore does not condemn them to hell; their sins condemn them to hell.

1 John 1:5 --> God is the light of men, and without Him we can only choose darkness

Proverbs 16:33 --> If God controls all things, even the smallest measures such as lots and seeming change, much more does He control those whom will enter His kingdom in Heaven

Matthew 17:12 --> Men did not know Jesus, even when he was before them in the flesh; much less can they know him now apart from the work of the holy spirit

John 19:11 --> There is no power unless Jesus give it, especially the power to believe

Acts 2:23 --> Jesus death and whom he would die for was based not on foreknown righteousness, but on the counsel of God.

Acts 4:27-28 --> God knows and allows everything that will ever happen to happen, and this especially includes who is and isn't converted by the work of His Spirit.

I could continue, but I'll let you try and deny these first before I waste my time.
It’s simple to see what’s being argued here. Gods glory vs mans glory. It’s impossible to be seen through self righteous prideful eyes.[/QUOTE]
Right on brother!
 
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I agree with you wholeheartedly brother. These people are in denial of basic scriptures on salvation; some of these scriptures they have even memorized and try to use to substantiate their own pov on other issues.
What is really sad is that key Scriptures which refute all the Calvinistic nonsense are either ignored or perverted. There can only be ONE GOSPEL of grace, and it is certainly not expressed in the Five Points of Calvinism.
 

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Here is a major reason why I do not believe in Calvinism, if anyone will follow my logic.

I did believe in Irresistible Grace; because love never fails, and the Lord God Omnipotent reigneth (1 Corinthians 13:8 and Revelation 19:6).

This doctrine means that either Limited Atonement is the reality or else Universalism. With Irresistible Grace, if Jesus died for everyone, then Universalism is the reality. Yet Universalsim is false (Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50, Matthew 25:46). Which would indicate that Jesus could not have died for everyone. Yet this is also false (2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:4, 1 Timothy 2:6, 1 Timothy 3:9-10, 1 John 2:2, John 3:16-17).

This created an incontrovertible contradiction in the Bible for me. I asked my wife what she thought the solution was: and she said that it had to be that God has given man free will. But free will is out because of the first two verses that I referenced in this post. Unless I somehow misinterpreted those verses to mean something that they don't really mean.

What does the Omnipotence of the Lord mean, and the fact of His love never failing, in light of the fact that there is no middle ground between Universalism and Limited Atonement in the Bible, if Irresistible Grace is a reality it is one or the other; and biblically it is neither?

The answer is that love will not fail to offer every man a decision in the matter, of whether he will choose to believe or disbelieve concerning what Christ did for them on the Cross. God, being Omnipotent, chose not to force the issue of salvation on anyone, but decided to give every man a free choice in the matter.

The crux of the gospel issue is not that God predetermines salvation; if you make this the crux of the gospel, you do not have the biblical gospel and are in fact preaching a different one; and therefore Paul wrote to let you be accursed and not to try to save you (Galatians 1:6-9, Romans 16:17). The crux of the biblical gospel is as following:

1Co 15:1, Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2, By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3, For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4, And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


In a nutshell, it is this:

Jhn 3:16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
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Utterly false. None call upon the LORD unless God does a work of regeneration.
Romans 10:13 should then say "For whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD has been saved."

Does it say that?

I encourage the readers to be as the Bereans!

Act 17:11, These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
 
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It can be said I suppose that in the Old Testament revelation was not as far advanced as in the New Testament so in a sense there was less Scripture to take into account. (Not that Old Testament Scripture is not very deep and searching.)

But some Bible students do speak about a period in the Old Testament as 'the dispensation of conscience'.

From Adam to Eve to Moses and those without the Prophets and Apostles were judged by conscience.
 

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Romans 10:13 should then say "For whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD has been saved."

Does it say that?

I encourage the readers to be as the Bereans!

Act 17:11, These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Of course it says that, when you know your bible and put it altogether and see the Gospel clearly.

You don't really know your bible, you just know a few verses that you rip out of context and use for false conclusions. But, you don't mind, you don't value or hold highly the Word of God.
 
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Of course it says that, when you know your bible and put it altogether and see the Gospel clearly.

You don't really know your bible, you just know a few verses that you rip out of context and use for false conclusions. But, you don't mind, you don't value or hold highly the Word of God.

So do not read the Bible literally?

Romans 10:13
13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

KJV

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

ESV

For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

NLT

For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.”

Call first then saved. Not saved then call.
 
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So do not read the Bible literally?

Romans 10:13
13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

KJV

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

ESV

For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

NLT

For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.”

Call first then saved. Not saved then call.
Only believers (already saved by grace) believe enough to call on the name of the Lord. Or they wouldn't call on it.
 

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Of course it says that, when you know your bible and put it altogether and see the Gospel clearly.

You don't really know your bible, you just know a few verses that you rip out of context and use for false conclusions. But, you don't mind, you don't value or hold highly the Word of God.
I noticed quite a delay in your response....it took a little while for you to process that scripture and then harden your heart to it enough to deny it publicly, I gather.
 
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What is really sad is that key Scriptures which refute all the Calvinistic nonsense are either ignored or perverted. There can only be ONE GOSPEL of grace, and it is certainly not expressed in the Five Points of Calvinism.
It seems that Total Depravity has taken hold of them, so that they are unable to believe the truth of the matter...
 
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What is really sad is that key Scriptures which refute all the Calvinistic nonsense are either ignored or perverted. There can only be ONE GOSPEL of grace, and it is certainly not expressed in the Five Points of Calvinism.
What scriptures are you referring to that Calvinists ignore or pervert? Any samples?
 

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What scriptures are you referring to that Calvinists ignore or pervert? Any samples?
It's kind of like when the Pharisees came to Jesus and asked Him for a sign from heaven...when He had just gotten finished doing a bunch of miracles!
 

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It's kind of like when the Pharisees came to Jesus and asked Him for a sign from heaven...when He had just gotten finished doing a bunch of miracles!
The difference between armanian and Calvin theology is the opinion a person has of themselves, you apparently have a very high opinion of yourself. I just don’t happen to share in that