Luk 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
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Luk 6:37, Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Surely Abraham was wrong in his following statement:
Gen 18:23, And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
Gen 18:24, Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
Gen 18:25, That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
Gen 18:26, And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
Gen 18:27, And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
Gen 18:28, Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
Gen 18:29, And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do itfor forty's sake.
Gen 18:30, And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
Gen 18:31, And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
Gen 18:32, And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
Gen 18:33, And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
God humored Abraham. Abraham was not telling God how to be God, He was genuinely wondering how great God's mercy was. This is completely different than actually telling God He is unjust in how He governs His universe because it contradicts your moral compass. Notice that Abraham didn't tell God He had to spare them, otherwise He wasn't just. God told Him what He would do, Abraham didn't tell God what He had to do.
Ministers of the gospel are commanded to save those who are lost in the scripture that I presented.
No, Christ obviously does the receiving of them. He said depart from me I never knew you, not you never knew me.
Jhn 1:12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Context! Read the next verse!
.... but we've been over this, haven't we? You just can't NOT pull verses out of context, can you?
But was He telling God how to be God? Did He tell God He was unjust if He didn't govern precisely how Abraham saw fit?
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Unless pastors are "The only Gods our Saviors, to whom be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever," this is not talking about pastors AT ALL! See why it is important to read the next verse or 2, and to take verses in context?
Pastors are the tools Christ uses to save, but they do not save anyone themselves, and any 'pastor' who would say otherwise doesn't really care about his church, he cares about the 'look-at-me' attitude he feels when he 'saves souls.'
You seem to want me to hit you with a club every time I seek to make a precision cut with the sword of the Spirit (the scalpel of the word).
Abraham was implying that if God did not heed his subsequent intercession for Lot, that He would not be doing right; and the question implied that He could not justly be the Judge of all the earth if He did not do right.
So Jude 1:23 (kjv) is an exhortation to God our Saviour to save people with fear? (So Jude is telling God how to be God?)
Why does God need the apostle Jude to tell Him to save people? And why is this scripture written to us?
No; verses 24-25 are a doxology that is separate from Jude's exhortation to the church to save people with fear, snatching them out of the fire.
Therefore you are grasping at straws.
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This really speaks volumes as to the condition of your own heart, as to whether you have the salvation Christ offers, or not.
Jesus said, Ye must be born again.
Just as it is , that just because someone believes, does not make them of the elect either...
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The doctrine of election proves the power of the blood of the Lamb my Sister. Without His shed blood, the elect would not be saved.
I noticed you posted, in a roundabout way, 2 Peter 3:9. You have took one verse and extrapolated it from the rest of the text. First off, that is addressed to believers, and not unbelievers. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.[2 Peter 3:9] Notice in that verse these two words 'toward you'. Peter is addressing the elect of God, not all mankind en toto.
Also, the bible is God-breathed 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.[2 Timothy 3] Inspired by God is also written God-breathed in other versions. Whatever the writer wrote under the Spirit's inspiration is the same as if the Christ had spoken it. Why do I say this? What Peter wrote we can also see the Christ saying the same thing about not desiring any perish.
12 “What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? 13 If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. 14 So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.[Matthew 18]
God is not desiring any of His sheep perish, as Peter wrote and the Christ spoke.
You are proof of what I am saying about those who worship a false Christ finding the true Christ "a puppeteer" and obnoxious.
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