Can We as Saved Christians Lose Our Salvation?

[Helen]

Either we're free to disregard the Ten Commandments or we're obligated to obey the Ten Commandments - any thinking person knows there's no third option.

( and to @bbyrd009 who obviously believes likewise )

You obviously still believe that you are able...even thought God took 4000 years to show man that it was impossible to do.
Why on earth did He send Jesus if you can do it anyway!!
quote = "any thinking person knows there's no third option."

Unless a person believes what the bible says about Jesus Christ fulfilling all things.
Unless the person "Abides in HIM" , just as He told us to do.
IN HIM who was the only one who possibly COULD keep the ten commandments .

If you deludedly believe that you CAN keep the Ten commandments....go for it!!
Make sure you toe the line Phone and make sure you get it perfectly right.
"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

 

[Helen]

Ya, let's not forget that those who say they are bought are testifying of themselves, so their testimony is immediately invalidated

Who says!!!
1 Cor 6:20 "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

Jude 24 doesn't sound like he is testifying of himself! All glory is to God.
And those of you who think that they can do something...rob God of His glory.

24 "Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."

So...THAT is testifying of ourself!!

Try reading the Book sometime Mark. You may find that you come to actually believe it!! :)

 

[Marymog]

( and to @bbyrd009 who obviously believes likewise )

You obviously still believe that you are able...even thought God took 4000 years to show man that it was impossible to do.
Why on earth did He send Jesus if you can do it anyway!!
quote = "any thinking person knows there's no third option."

Unless a person believes what the bible says about Jesus Christ fulfilling all things.
Unless the person "Abides in HIM" , just as He told us to do.
IN HIM who was the only one who possibly COULD keep the ten commandments .

If you deludedly believe that you CAN keep the Ten commandments....go for it!!
Make sure you toe the line Phone and make sure you get it perfectly right.
"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

Hi BG,

Maybe @Phoneman777 believes mercy will triumph over judgment?

Curious Mary

 

[bbyrd009]

Who says!!!
1 Cor 6:20 "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

Jude 24 doesn't sound like he is testifying of himself! All glory is to God.
And those of you who think that they can do something...rob God of His glory.

24 "Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."

So...THAT is testifying of ourself!!

Try reading the Book sometime Mark. You may find that you come to actually believe it!! :)

ok, go with that then. The sins of the whole world were bought I guess, regardless of any who deem themselves Special, or choose to sit at weddings without the right clothing.

Obv we like to say we are "saved" so that we can then go on and infer that we are immortal, by way of the false definition of "eternal" that no one wants to confront, see

 

[bbyrd009]

( and to @bbyrd009 who obviously believes likewise )

You obviously still believe that you are able...even thought God took 4000 years to show man that it was impossible to do.
Why on earth did He send Jesus if you can do it anyway!!
quote = "any thinking person knows there's no third option."

Unless a person believes what the bible says about Jesus Christ fulfilling all things.
Unless the person "Abides in HIM" , just as He told us to do.
IN HIM who was the only one who possibly COULD keep the ten commandments .

If you deludedly believe that you CAN keep the Ten commandments....go for it!!
Make sure you toe the line Phone and make sure you get it perfectly right.
"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

imo the third option is stop worrying about it until someone accuses you, and then be prepared to confess if you have sinned, rather than deny and deflect. I am guilty of all iow, certainly! The last is just being misunderstood imo, just a reiteration of all have sinned and come short.

The false paradigm imo is "since I can't do it perfectly I won't even try to do it at all," rather than "I will confess my sins one to another"

"Jesus will change your mind for you, Jesus will pick up your cross for you,"
who can Quote these?

 

[bbyrd009]

Who says!!!

Jesus? And wadr I don't see Jude doing any self-testifying in there at all

 

[Phoneman777]

We shall see my friend, we shall see. :)

Let every one of us draw as close to the Savior as we can and cling to Him and His Word with both hands and none of us need to worry about being lost.

 

[Phoneman777]

Hi BG,

Maybe @Phoneman777 believes mercy will triumph over judgment?

Curious Mary

I'm just one of those guys who thinks a husband should only have eyes for his wife and the thought of plowing in another man's field is just gross to me.

Shouldn't we feel the same way about Jesus?

 

[Phoneman777]

Paul says love fulfills the Commandments even though they do not bind us.

Yes, if we love God we'll keep the first four, both letter and spirit, and if we love our neighbor, the last six, both letter and spirit.

The letter alone kills, but love enables a man to not only go home to his own wife, but to turn his head from looking in lust toward another, right or wrong?

 

[Helen]

Let every one of us draw as close to the Savior as we can and cling to Him and His Word with both hands and none of us need to worry about being lost.

Absolutely...that is something that we can agree upon 100% :)

 

[Phoneman777]

( and to @bbyrd009 who obviously believes likewise )

You obviously still believe that you are able...even thought God took 4000 years to show man that it was impossible to do.
Why on earth did He send Jesus if you can do it anyway!!
quote = "any thinking person knows there's no third option."

Unless a person believes what the bible says about Jesus Christ fulfilling all things.
Unless the person "Abides in HIM" , just as He told us to do.
IN HIM who was the only one who possibly COULD keep the ten commandments .

If you deludedly believe that you CAN keep the Ten commandments....go for it!!
Make sure you toe the line Phone and make sure you get it perfectly right.
"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

I'm just foolish enough to believe we can do all things through Christ Which strengthens us...including giving up sinful habits.

 

[Phoneman777]

Absolutely...that is something that we can agree upon 100% :)

yep :)

 

[Dave L]

Yes, if we love God we'll keep the first four, both letter and spirit, and if we love our neighbor, the last six, both letter and spirit.

The letter alone kills, but love enables a man to not only go home to his own wife, but to turn his head from looking in lust toward another, right or wrong?

You do not need the Ten Commandments which are abolished. They were for really bad people. The born again always have the Two Great Commandments of love for God and people holding them on track. Do you trust in the Spirit? Or the arm of the flesh? (the Ten Commandments).

 

[bbyrd009]

Let every one of us draw as close to the Savior as we can and cling to Him and His Word with both hands and none of us need to worry about being lost.

Narrow is the way, and few there are who find it

or you can go do Death More Abundantly with Dave, who cannot confess.
not meaning to be rude, but I think those are the choices

Obviously--except to the blind--the whole point of doing the Two is to fulfill the Ten, right, not negate them. It's up to you to verify that you are not following an idiot, ok

 

[Dave L]

Narrow is the way, and few there are who find it

or you can go do Death More Abundantly with Dave, who cannot confess.
not meaning to be rude, but I think those are the choices

Obviously--except to the blind--the whole point of doing the Two is to fulfill the Ten, right, not negate them. It's up to you to verify that you are not following an idiot, ok

You are confused.

 

[bbyrd009]

Fwiw Jude suggests a "we" that is different from the "we" you find yourself in, for "we" humans are all bought with a price, see, the sins "of the whole world" were atoned for. But when you sing "When we all get to heaven" this Sunday, that will not be the "we" in mind I guess, right.

So what happened to your "we?" Bc I can show you in living color what Dave will do in that day, ok; he will be hiding in a little crack like he does with me here, as if I was somebody to fear or something. Search "debate" in my feed and go see. And while I can certainly forgive ignorance, it begs the Q "why are our ordained pastors so ignorant of Scripture?"

 

[bbyrd009]

You are confused.

Dave do you really want to go down this path again, bro?
Ok fine, how am I confused Dave
as if you would not have already said in that post if I were, right

 

[Dave L]

Dave do you really want to go down this path again, bro?
Ok fine, how am I confused Dave

You are either unstudied or confused about the Law. The Ten Commandments were the Old Covenant now replaced by the New. The Two Great Commandments are eternal and existed long before the Ten, which hung from them at a level even the most wicked could understand and obey under threat of death.

 

[bbyrd009]

Ok so I am unstudied and confused, so let's read the passage together and see;

Matthew 22:40 Lexicon: "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

now it should be obvious that if "all the law and prophets" are being invoked, then they are not "not needed" at all; they depend. The Two (or even one, Galatians 5:14 Lexicon: For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.") are a summation, if you accomplish those you fulfill the others, iow you do not negate the others, at least not unless you are an ordained pastor bent on ignoring the Scripture you cannot confront I guess.

Now Dave will provide you some kind of satanic cover here, sans Scripture of course, but I am done unless someone else has a rebuttal. Y'all have a nice day

 

[Dave L]

Dave do you really want to go down this path again, bro?
Ok fine, how am I confused Dave
as if you would not have already said in that post if I were, right

As if I could convince you