The Elect?

[Mjh29]

And you can keep asking over and over. That doesn't change the answer. It is not a sin to be in Adam, but because you are in Adam you are a sinner.

All sin was paid for 'in Christ'. If one is not 'in Christ' his sins are his to pay.

The ends of my argument is that all sin is paid for in Christ. Those in Adam, are in their sins, even though their sins have been paid for. By faith one is placed 'in Christ'. You are either in Christ or in Adam. If you are in Adam and die in Adam, then you go to hell. Pretty simple really.

Stranger

So it is not a sin. Who cares if I am in my sin; it is paid for anyways. Any sins that I am "living in", no matter position [since my "location" isn't a sin anyways] are paid for by the blood of Christ, because you said he died for all sins of all men. So all would be in heaven. You are trying to say "Well you see; being in Adam is not a sin; but if you are in Adam you are in your sin." You say this as though it negates the fact that you stated Christ died for ALL sins; including the sin of me living in my sins!

So, all men are in heaven then?

 

[Mjh29]

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It was at this moment he realized: I have no Biblical argument; FEELINGS!!!

 

[Preacher4Truth]

So it is not a sin. Who cares if I am in my sin; it is paid for anyways. Any sins that I am "living in", no matter position [since my "location" isn't a sin anyways] are paid for by the blood of Christ, because you said he died for all sins of all men. So all would be in heaven. You are trying to say "Well you see; being in Adam is not a sin; but if you are in Adam you are in your sin." You say this as though it negates the fact that you stated Christ died for ALL sins; including the sin of me living in my sins!

So, all men are in heaven then?

That's what happens when one teaches by their take on a passage that all should be in heaven accordingly, but in ignorance. Then they try another verse to say they're not all in heaven. Very inconsistent, and very weak hermeneutic. Pitting one Scripture against another, while denying the logical conclusion of their previous misnomer. All this instead of conceding they've made erroneous conclusions and logical errors elswhere.

 

[CoreIssue]

This is what happens when one cannot find what he said was in Scripture. Just, you know, respond back with an insult instead.

The thing is that @CoreIssue cannot prove what he says, and won't even honor God and his word by agreeing he misspoke.

Sad...

Translation, I reject Calvinism.

 

[amadeus]

Ha, good one. I guess that was to fool themselves maybe?

One thing I see in the fig leaf covering are the churches of men built WITH rather than WITHOUT hands. The WITHOUT hands truly comes to us, if it comes at all, with what Jesus brought for us. The WITH hands is what too many men claiming to Christian do instead of looking to and leaning on God. It keeps on coming back to what Jeremiah wrote here:

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jeremiah 10:23

 

[CoreIssue]

Exactly, which is why I want you to find what you believe is in Romans 8, but isn't there. Try actually reading it with your eyes open. You'll find what you said is there, isn't. I know you're scared, but man up and look. Then, show us all that what you've claimed is there.

Or, just have another callow comeback.

For someone who so adamantly believes God picks who he will salvation and rejects free will you are obsessed with convincing people Is true.

But when asked why you never answer.

What is your motivation?

 

[CoreIssue]

Exactly, which is why I want you to find what you believe is in Romans 8, but isn't there. Try actually reading it with your eyes open. You'll find what you said is there, isn't. I know you're scared, but man up and look. Then, show us all that what you've claimed is there.

Or, just have another callow comeback.

It was at this moment he realized: I have no Biblical argument; FEELINGS!!!

What I realize is that no matter who answers you how often you're going to pretend they didn't.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Translation, I reject Calvinism.

We know, you reject the Gospel and prefer to believe God says things he never said.

The sad truth is you're too much of a milksop to look and see Romans 8 does not say things you say it does.

But I understand. To you, you're more important than truth so God's word takes a hit.

 

[Mjh29]

For someone who so adamantly believes God picks who he will salvation and rejects free will you are obsessed with convincing people Is true.

But when asked why you never answer.

What is your motivation?

Doing God's bidding, of course! Do you know who God has and has not chosen? Neither do we. Just because God has chosen doesn't mean we know who. So we evangelize. And if one comes to the knowledge of Christ, then guess what: He was chosen.

THAT is why.

 

[bbyrd009]

"When you dance with the devil, the devil don't change; the devil changes you"

 

[Preacher4Truth]

What I realize is that no matter who answers you how often you're going to pretend they didn't.

You've not answered. Any honest person, even an honest God hating atheist would admit you're dodging and offering up beliefs you can't and won't back up with Scripture.

Man up and redeem yourself and show us where Romans 8 says the things you've claimed.

Sad thing is you're dishonest. No wonder though, you have zero respect for God's word.

 

[CoreIssue]

We know, you reject the Gospel and prefer to believe God says things he never said.

The sad truth is you're too much of a milksop to look and see Romans 8 does not say things you say it does.

But I understand. To you, you're more important than truth so God's word takes a hit.

The gospel is the good news that Christ came to die for our sins and offer salvation to ALL that repent in free will.

You do not believe so you do not believe in the gospel.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

For someone who so adamantly believes God picks who he will salvation and rejects free will you are obsessed with convincing people Is true.

But when asked why you never answer.

What is your motivation?

I've already answered this, but you responded with an emoticon like a child. That instead of addressing the biblical evidence given you.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

The gospel is the good news that Christ came to die for our sins and offer salvation to ALL that repent in free will.

You do not believe so you do not believe in the gospel.

You're correct, I don't believe your false gospel. No one is saved by free will, and none are saved because of something they've done, including repentance. But this just proves you believe God saved you because you did ______________. (Fill in the blank.)

 

[CoreIssue]

I've already answered this, but you responded with an emoticon like a child. That instead of addressing the biblical evidence given you.

You have not answered.

What is your personal reason for trying to convert non-Calvinists to Calvinism?

By your theology it doesn't matter what people believe. Their fate was sealed long ago.

 

[amadeus]

What is to be done with me? Idk, but what I do know is that you are the one who equated Christianity with a cult, said you have 'your Jesus' or some crap, and thinks that thinking logically is crazy! I would never ignore Scriptures. What I'm saying is that either your interpretation of them is wrong, or everyone is in heaven

People do today too often like the Israelites did with regard to looking at the serpent of brass for healing as Moses advised [Num 21:8-9] and then moving in the course of time to the Nehushtan which King Hezekiah destroyed. The former is indicative of Jesus while the latter is indicative of many barren churches which are so often now around us. We cannot stand still and live. To do so is to stagnate and die.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It means they were motivated not by the Spirit of God but of satan.

Exactly. Motivated by flesh. Didn’t say they were not elected only that He rebuked them when they wanted to call down fire as Elias did and consume them.

 

[bbyrd009]

But rather, election is based on nothing more than the Will and good pleasure of God.

wherefore the rather, brethren; give diligence to make your calling and election sure

 

[Mjh29]

wherefore the rather, brethren; give diligence to make your calling and election sure

We are to live our lives constantly growing and learning and becoming more and more like God, and in this sense making our calling and election sure. In other words, we should never live our lives thinking "Oh, I'm safe.... no need to improve;" Election and calling are no excuse to stop growing in Christ.

 

[amadeus]

Anybody here seeking a reward for something they should have been doing anyway
ya think?

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." Rom 12:1

And that is only reasonable! Nothing extraordinary at all. But who do we know who is trying to do that much? As you say they "should have been", and this lead us back to this:

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:13-14

Will reasonable service reward us with Life? Is Life equal that Nirvana or Elysian Fields of which you have spoke identified by some as heaven?