Calvinism is a Cult

[Dave L]

Not many realize the hole they dig for themselves when condemning Calvinism and "original sin"..

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[Dave L]

Post 2056

Not many realize the hole they dig for themselves when condemning Calvinism and "original sin"..

What about it?

 

[Vince]

When someone gives you a gift, did you do anything to get it? If a messenger comes to the door and holds out the gift to you from his employer, and you slam the door in his face, what you did was refuse it. And THAT is an act of your will.

So it is up to us to receive salvation or not. Then we must do something to be saved.

No, I think you are deliberately obfuscating here. You know that I already said that all babies who die, go to heaven, based on the shed Blood of Christ.

It has everything to do with the Cross and the Blood of Jesus.

No where in the bible does it say babies go to heaven through the cross. Or am I missing that doctrine.

Do I really need to say this? BECAUSE I am not a murderer! Those heathen monsters who sacrificed their children to Molech WERE murderers and deserved to die. The Israelites had no jails to put them in--the only remedy was to kill the murderers.

So the children were murderess too?

 

[Vince]

Try Romans 9:11.

Here is the passage in context:

6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 9 For this is what the promise said: "About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad— in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,2 but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whom ever he wills.

The context indicates that god chooses who he loves and who he hates. This does not say that god saves all babies.

This has been explained to you already. Here it is again: God's justice demands payment for sins committed in the body. (hint: babies and small children haven't yet committed sin in their little bodies).

Psalm 51 say they have? Also what about original sin and the sinful flesh?

Either the Blood of Jesus pays for sin or we must pay for our own after death.

But not for babies? You need to show in scripture that babies are sinless. Many passages say they are not, All have sinned right?

How just would God be if He just bypassed His own provision for the forgiveness of sin just so you, like some spoiled child, could be happy with Him? You may be a universalist, but, unfortunately for you, God is not.

I have never been a universalist. He seems to have bypassed his provision to save babies as you have said.

 

[Vince]

I already posted it.

Can you just copy and paste it again. I cannot find it.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

It's OK if you do not answer.

Well, gee--thanks for your permission.

 

[Dave L]

Well, gee--thanks for your permission.

I understand not wanting to answer such a touchy question.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Read my responses to the Calvinists here. I will not repeat myself.

 

[CoreIssue]

I understand not wanting to answer such a touchy question.

You refused to answer others and then call answers by others not answering.

It is no wonder people stop posting to you.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

I understand not wanting to answer such a touchy question.

Aww, isn't that nice--I feel so "understood". It is not a touchy question for anyone but you,

 

[Dave L]

Read my responses to the Calvinists here. I will not repeat myself.

I already understand your position.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

You refused to answer others and then call answers by others not answering.

It is no wonder people stop posting to you.

Yes--I have put him on ignore along with most of the other Calvinists. They are utterly dogmatic and will not even consider anything that doesn't come from their Calvinist gurus.

 

[Dave L]

Aww, isn't that nice--I feel so "understood". It is not a touchy question for anyone but you,

It's a touchy question for those who believe in "an age of accountability".

 

[Dave L]

You refused to answer others and then call answers by others not answering.

It is no wonder people stop posting to you.

All of the right people seem to stop posting to me which makes my job easier.

 

[CoreIssue]

All of the right people seem to stop posting to me which makes my job easier.

The right people being those put your doctrines in the trashcan where they belong.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

I already understand your position.

Pretty easy to figure it out isn't it? Her, @CoreIssue and others either take scripture out of context, say things that scripture doesn't say (usually both) to establish most everything they believe.

It's a lazy way of using Scripture because understanding context and real study is just too hard for many. So just say what's not there, take it out of context then insult others who challenge you. That's anti-Calvinist protocol.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

You refused to answer others and then call answers by others not answering.

It is no wonder people stop posting to you.

Hey CoreIssue, I wonder if it makes the Calvinists uncomfortable that "Atheist Vince" agrees with them on a number of issues? LOL

 

[CoreIssue]

Pretty easy to figure it out isn't it? Her, @CoreIssue and others either take scripture out of context, say things that scripture doesn't say (usually both) to establish most everything they believe.

It's a lazy way of using Scripture because understanding context and real study is just too hard for many. So just say what's not there, take it out of context then insult others who challenge you. That's anti-Calvinist protocol.

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[Lady Crosstalk]

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[CoreIssue]

Hey CoreIssue, I wonder if it makes the Calvinists uncomfortable that "Atheist Vince" agrees with them on a number of issues? LOL

I doubt. I have noticed a massive similarity between Calvinists and androids in science fiction. Programming rules all.