Signs of the Last Days=3rd. Temple Feaver Officially Hit Israel!!

[Lady Crosstalk]

There are plenty of verses in the OT that refer to the Kingdom being a physical, mortal kingdom. You do believe in the Old Testament, don't you? The likely reason why there are few references to the Kingdom promised to Israel is because the focus in the New Testament is that God was, at that time, building His spiritual Kingdom through Christ. (But there IS Acts 1:6 and some references in Romans) But He will not allow His promises to Israel be "null and void".

You need to have Jesus interpret the OT for you. Not the Pharisees.

Now, what do you propose that means?

 

[Dave L]

Now, what do you propose that means?

If you spend some time in the gospels, you will see how he turns the OT prophecies into symbols of present realities.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

If you spend some time in the gospels, you will see how he turns the OT prophecies into symbols of present realities.

I choose not to spiritualize any of the Bible. Show me one instance of Jesus turning "the OT prophecies into symbols of present realities". Sounds like religious claptrap.

 

[Dave L]

I choose not to spiritualize any of the Bible. Show me one instance of Jesus turning "the OT prophecies into symbols of present realities". Sounds like religious claptrap.

You'll miss the meaning if force literalism onto everything.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

You'll miss the meaning if force literalism onto everything.

The fact is that all the OT prophecies that were fulfilled, came true literally. What would make you or your theological friends think that the ones which remain unfulfilled will not come true literally?

 

[Dave L]

The fact is that all the OT prophecies that were fulfilled, came true literally. What would make you or your theological friends think that the ones which remain unfulfilled will not come true literally?

Name them.
(1) In only eleven out of the ninety four cases are the fulfillments exactly as the writer described or foresaw.

Robert Whitelaw. (n.d.). THE GOSPEL MILLENNIUM and Obedience to Scripture.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Name them.
(1) In only eleven out of the ninety four cases are the fulfillments exactly as the writer described or foresaw.

Robert Whitelaw. (n.d.). THE GOSPEL MILLENNIUM and Obedience to Scripture.

1) Robert Whitelaw is not even theologically trained. He also believes that the Zodiac presented the gospel at Creation. Just because the OT prophets did not understand the prophecies when they gave them, does not mean that they did not come true literally. Jesus was literally the fulfillment of many OT prophecies. He is the "Suffering Servant" of Isaiah 53; the Adonai of David's Psalm 110, where he prophesies, "...YHVH said to Adonai..."; Psalm 22 is a very clear picture of the Crucifixion. Would you like more or will this suffice to make you understand that the prophecies have been and will be fulfilled literally? If you are forming your theology on the opinions of one man rather than the Bible itself, you are going to be wrong.

 

[Enoch111]

If you are forming your theology on the opinions of one man rather than the Bible itself, you are going to be wrong.

Dave is "beyond salvage". Anything but Bible truth.

 

[CoreIssue]

Dave is "beyond salvage". Anything but Bible truth.

I've been wondering the same thing myself.

One thing I have learned in my years different groups of people. There are the saved, the seekers and the hopelessly lost.

Each put themselves in those groups. The Holy Spirit speaks to save the seekers. The hopelessly lost have made their eternal decision.

 

[farouk]

I've been wondering the same thing myself.

One thing I have learned in my years different groups of people. There are the saved, the seekers and the hopelessly lost.

Each put themselves in those groups. The Holy Spirit speaks to save the seekers. The hopelessly lost have made their eternal decision.

The Lord indeed searches the heart (Jeremiah 17); we often don't know what is going on in people's hearts.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

That is just silly. Jesus is neither. Both are theological terms invented by imperfect humans.





No person holding dispensational views would ever say that Christ's Kingdom is not spiritual.


Yes--they did. The Resurrected Christ came in the power of His spiritual Kingdom, did He not?

There will be none but immortal humans on the earth, when the Kingdom of God in the New Jerusalem is finally resting on the earth. The whole 15th chapter of 1 Corinthians is all about resurrection. Why do you use that as a "proof text"? Is it because there will be mortals in the Millennial Kingdom (and there can be no doubt of this since the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah both picture it as a mortal kingdom)? The Millennial Kingdom will apparently be a transition stage between what we have now and the Eternal State.

Again, why use this as a proof text? Dispensationalist always preach the necessity of being "born again"

It should read "...the Jewish leaders..." Jesus was a Jew and He said He "came only to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 15:24) Your antisemitism is showing. I could comment on the rest of your "proof texts" but frankly, I don't want to waste anymore time on your distorted theology. You won't accept that you could be wrong about anything. The rest of us are normal mortals who admit that we could be wrong in our interpretations. I guess we'll find out when we go to be with the Lord.

Jesus was the King Of Israel (Servants of God) the only worthy people are the Servants of God ? and it started with Nathaniel who Jesus points out is a True Israelite in fact and the fact is that Nathaniel was the only one who knew who Jesus truly was directly and the rest who were worthy had faith but understood later on. as Holy Moses said it would be only true Israelites (Servants of God) who would know who Jesus is.

All this so called Jew worship BS nowadays is just pathetic, no Jew was worthy of jack back in the OT but for the Prophets of God.
The Jews are finished 2000 years ago and only they who came to Christ Jesus are worthy of being Israel (Servants of God) because Jesus Christ is the King of Israel ! this is a fact.
The only thing worthy of the OT is that it's a blueprint that sets the coming of Jesus Christ and when Jesus came the lights came on, Israel evolved as Holy Moses was said it would and anyone who rejects that is also rejecting Holy Moses in fact, so in fact such so called Jews are not worthy of being Israel at all back in the days. not to mention that such are Anti-Christ in fact now, so why would any Christian look to such fools in any regard as to such as they are not worthy even to the OT in fact.
So why look to some bastard so called Jew who regard for Holy Moses or for the OT in that regard is not worthy at all in the matter.
There is only a small percentage of even Jew people who have true regard to the OT nowadays and sadly most Jews they follow the bastard Talmud Whore nowadays, not to mention most in the State that only fools call Israel are bloody Atheist in fact and it can't be OT Israel because the State is full of Sodomites and they would be killed on the spot, if it was OT Israel and anyone who knows the OT knows that is a fact.

The True Jews who are truly worthy to the OT and Holy Moses do not call the State Israel because they know that it's not in fact, they say that they have hope that it will become Israel, but they are lost as to who Jesus Christ truly is for they have been blinded.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Jesus was the King Of Israel (Servants of God) the only worthy people are the Servants of God ? and it started with Nathaniel who Jesus points out is a True Israelite in fact and the fact is that Nathaniel was the only one who knew who Jesus truly was directly and the rest who were worthy had faith but understood later on. as Holy Moses said it would be only true Israelites (Servants of God) who would know who Jesus is.

All this so called Jew worship BS nowadays is just pathetic, no Jew was worthy of jack back in the OT but for the Prophets of God.
The Jews are finished 2000 years ago and only they who came to Christ Jesus are worthy of being Israel (Servants of God) because Jesus Christ is the King of Israel ! this is a fact.
The only thing worthy of the OT is that it's a blueprint that sets the coming of Jesus Christ and when Jesus came the lights came on, Israel evolved as Holy Moses was said it would and anyone who rejects that is also rejecting Holy Moses in fact, so in fact such so called Jews are not worthy of being Israel at all back in the days. not to mention that such are Anti-Christ in fact now, so why would any Christian look to such fools in any regard as to such as they are not worthy even to the OT in fact.
So why look to some bastard so called Jew who regard for Holy Moses or for the OT in that regard is not worthy at all in the matter.
There is only a small percentage of even Jew people who have true regard to the OT nowadays and sadly most Jews they follow the bastard Talmud Whore nowadays, not to mention most in the State that only fools call Israel are bloody Atheist in fact and it can't be OT Israel because the State is full of Sodomites and they would be killed on the spot, if it was OT Israel and anyone who knows the OT knows that is a fact.

The True Jews who are truly worthy to the OT and Holy Moses do not call the State Israel because they know that it's not in fact, they say that they have hope that it will become Israel, but they are lost as to who Jesus Christ truly is for they have been blinded.

The Apostle Paul is the type for a born-again Israel. Just as the scales dropped from his eyes, so too will the scales drop from the eyes of the Israelis. Ezekiel prophesied that Israel would begin to gather back in the Land in unbelief but then, God will do a work among them and they will see their Messiah whom they have pierced and "mourn for Him as one for an only son". (Zechariah 12:10) I'm sorry you believe as you do--it will not be to your benefit.

 

[Acolyte]

THOSE LEFT IN EACH CASE ARE THOSE WHO WILL SUFFER GOD'S WRATH[/QUOTE]

You need to read Luke's telling of this.

Luke17:33-37
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

They were asking where they would go...
My goodness folks, read what you like, disregard what you don't. Hope you see the light soon!!

Revelation 9:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Be strong in our Father. Just one example, we want to be here..

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The Apostle Paul is the type for a born-again Israel. Just as the scales dropped from his eyes, so too will the scales drop from the eyes of the Israelis. Ezekiel prophesied that Israel would begin to gather back in the Land in unbelief but then, God will do a work among them and they will see their Messiah whom they have pierced and "mourn for Him as one for an only son". (Zechariah 12:10) I'm sorry you believe as you do--it will not be to your benefit.

Such will not be for you benefit or anyone.
One had to be a True Israelite to come to Jesus Christ back in the day.
The only Jew of today that will have the scales drop from their eyes is the ones who Truly follow Holy Moses and understand that the Talmud is a Whore.

Sorry that you can not see the truth that if you are born again you are saved, because you then know who your Lord and Saviour truly is in fact.
Not to mention that the Jews of today who's eyes will be opened, will see that the born again are correct, it's not the truly born again that are going to be looking to another you know, or some new age Jesus that just popes up.

Sure the Talmud Whore so called Jew is being worshiped nowadays by all the Churches and they will totally control the world and they are leading the world astray. they own the media and control what the schools peddle, it's all brainwashing tec that they use, so as to lead all astray, they work so as to bastardise the people into becoming filthy grubs, so it's easy to control such fools.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Such will not be for you benefit or anyone.
One had to be a True Israelite to come to Jesus Christ back in the day.
The only Jew of today that will have the scales drop from their eyes is the ones who Truly follow Holy Moses and understand that the Talmud is a Whore.

Sorry that you can not see the truth that if you are born again you are saved, because you then know who your Lord and Saviour truly is in fact.
Not to mention that the Jews of today who's eyes will be opened, will see that the born again are correct, it's not the truly born again that are going to be looking to another you know, or some new age Jesus that just popes up.

Sure the Talmud Whore so called Jew is being worshiped nowadays by all the Churches and they will totally control the world and they are leading the world astray. they own the media and control what the schools peddle, it's all brainwashing tec that they use, so as to lead all astray, they work so as to bastardise the people into becoming filthy grubs, so it's easy to control such fools.

I agree that the Talmud is an odious document but, most Jews are not religious at all today--they don't even read the Tanakh (the Hebrew Bible--equivalent to our Old Testament) let alone the Talmud. The Jews are not in control of the world. One Jewish-Christian I know, laughs,"If we are, I wish we would do a better job of it!"

 

[Waiting on him]

Have you noticed Ezekiel's temple is in the shape of the cross?

So was the encampment in the wilderness

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I agree that the Talmud is an odious document but, most Jews are not religious at all today--they don't even read the Tanakh (the Hebrew Bible--equivalent to our Old Testament) let alone the Talmud. The Jews are not in control of the world. One Jewish-Christian I know, laughs,"If we are, I wish we would do a better job of it!"

Pray, by Tina Counsins Song, I ask do you like.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Pray, by Tina Counsins Song, I ask do you like.

I don't know the song.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I've been wondering the same thing myself.

One thing I have learned in my years different groups of people. There are the saved, the seekers and the hopelessly lost.

Each put themselves in those groups. The Holy Spirit speaks to save the seekers. The hopelessly lost have made their eternal decision.

Slander ! if Dave was hopelessly lost, he would not know jack now would he.

Problem I think is that people want to believe only what they have been indoctrinated to believe.

Some sadly do not have the capacity to see that the Bible is not be taken all Literally and fact is that any atheist fool can just read the Bible like that, it's only that they do not wan to believe it and others just want to believe it, but I have seen that Dave can see it from the spiritual perspective and that's what being born again is all about.

Any fool can put Biblical passages up and peddle some indoctrinated view, but Dave can talk about such with much more understanding than the average bear. just because it maybe not in line with what ones church peddles does not mean that he is lost.

The Protestant Churches peddle a lot of rubbish as does the RCC, they are in fact "in the business of such" sadly and sadly they stand in the way of Jesus Christ from the people with a lot of their gibberish and the proof is in the pudding, as they have managed to undermine the faithful going to Church to the point that it is nowadays. such is in fact the work of Satan that has led them astray, as they have failed to promote the Holy Spirit into the lives of the people, just for worldly works and brainwashing tactics of indoctrination of dolts who are lost to the Holy Spirit and we see this proof in the new age dribble of looking to the end of days hope that Jesus will come back in the flesh and Anti-Christ worship of a State that they think or claim is Israel and they can not even fathom that Jesus Christ is the King of Israel ! why do they reject this fact ! because they have been brainwashed, it's standing right in front of them and they can't see the forest for the trees. they have no hope and come across as if looking up a horses tail to see what his teeth look like.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I don't know the song.

Just look it up, it's easy as to, just type in, Pray by Tina Counsins song and it will come up for you to play.