Pre-Destination Or Free Will ???

[SovereignGrace]

Thank you for the reply but, I was really just looking for a yes or no kind of answer :)

Many times yes or no don’t cut it.

“Why didn’t you eat your brussel sprouts, Son?” Yes. Ermmmm, no!

 

[Preacher4Truth]

No worries @SovereignGrace , I know she didn't like your answer, but I am still waiting for @Nancy to provide answer to this:

Just a quick question here before I have to leave. Do Calvinists think that "receiving" the "free gift" of salvation is works??

And I responded with this:

Please provide Scripture for your argument about persons receiving this free gift, otherwise we will be in an exercise of futility. Let's go off of revealed truth, not presupposed conjecture.

Just waiting for Scripture to validate her question, or, it's an exercise in futility. Why can't we get these to provide a purely biblical question instead of one filled with presuppositions -- with no Scripture?

Still waiting...validate the question biblically.

 

[Preacher4Truth]

Many times yes or no don’t cut it.

“Why didn’t you eat your brussel sprouts, Son?” Yes. Ermmmm, no!

 

[CoreIssue]

It cannot be any more plain.

Plain that you are wrong.

 

[CoreIssue]

No worries @SovereignGrace , I know she didn't like your answer, but I am still waiting for @Nancy to provide answer to this:



And I responded with this:



Just waiting for Scripture to validate her question, or, it's an exercise in futility. Why can't we get these to provide a purely biblical question instead of one filled with presuppositions -- with no Scripture?

Still waiting...validate the question biblically.

This coming from the guy refuses to watch and respond to the videos I've been posting other threads.

 

[CoreIssue]

Jesus says they did not believe because he did not die for them.

But it does not say they could not believe. They chose not to believe.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Not every question can be adequately answered with merely a 'yes' or 'no'.

'Honey, why did you spend my $?' Yes...no...maybe?

 

[Dave L]

But it does not say they could not believe. They chose not to believe.

It does not say that. It merely says they did not believe because Jesus did not die for them.

Also compare with; “For it has been given to you on Christ’s behalf not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him,” (Philippians 1:29)

 

[Dave L]

Plain that you are wrong.

Plain that you reject scripture and rewrite it to your liking.

 

[CoreIssue]

It does not say that. It merely says they did not believe because Jesus did not die for them.

Also compare with; “For it has been given to you on Christ’s behalf not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him,” (Philippians 1:29)

But you're trying to spin it into Calvinism.

 

[CoreIssue]

Plain that you reject scripture and rewrite it to your liking.

Spoken like a true Calvinist.

 

[Dave L]

But you're trying to spin it into Calvinism.

Calvin was right on some things just as you are.

 

[Dave L]

Spoken like a true Calvinist.

It's better than being a "CoreIssuist".

 

[CoreIssue]

It's better than being a "CoreIssuist".

That was stupid.

 

[marks]

How can something dead do anything?

Death does not equal inactivity.

 

[marks]

The flesh cannot discern the true Christ much less desire to repent from the sin it loves.

That's why God made Himself close to us, and reveals Himself, "enlightening every man". All have the opportunity.

Much love!

 

[Dave L]

Death does not equal inactivity.

It certainly does. Try kicking a dead dog and see if it moves.

 

[Dave L]

That's why God made Himself close to us, and reveals Himself, "enlightening every man". All have the opportunity.

Much love!

Dead folks cannot see God, only an imaginary idol bearing his name.

 

[marks]

It certainly does. Try kicking a dead dog and see if it moves.

So then when you are dead, you will have no awareness? No activity? Not your body . . . you. Is that right?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Dead folks cannot see God, only an imaginary idol bearing his name.

Are you talking about Jesus? Because that's Who I was talking about. The true light coming into the world that enlightens every man.

Much love!