The Incarnation of God, Death of Man.

[101G]

Actually, if I may answer, both. He is "LORD" when that title is erroneously used in place of "YHWH" and He is "Lord" when it is a translation of "Adonai" as in its first use in Genesis 15:2. However, He is NOT "Lord" when it refers to a title of the Son.

also gadar perets, sorry I din't address your other part of your question, you said, "However, He is NOT "Lord" when it refers to a title of the Son". well is not Jesus the "Lord" the son? yes, now this, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:

question, "who sent his angel to John?"

No.

please explain, because you said he is both.

PICJAG.

 

[Stranger]

that's not what we asked. so are you saying that the title "LORD" is the "SAME" person as the "Lord?", yes or no.

your answer please.

PICJAG

I already told you it depends on which Scripture you are referring to. It can refer to any of the three Persons.

Stranger

 

[101G]

I already told you it depends on which Scripture you are referring to. It can refer to any of the three Persons.

Stranger

ok let say it again.

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself"

is this the "Father" yes or no?


John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

is this the "Son"/WORD yes or no?

your answer please.

PICJAG.

 

[gadar perets]

also gadar perets, sorry I din't address your other part of your question, you said, "However, He is NOT "Lord" when it refers to a title of the Son". well is not Jesus the "Lord" the son? yes, now this, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:

question, "who sent his angel to John?"

It seems to me the Son sent his angel, but "he" and "his" could refer to the Father as well.

please explain, because you said he is both.

PICJAG.

The first "LORD" in Psalm 110:1 is Father "YHWH". The second "Lord" is David's Lord, Yeshua.

 

[Stranger]

The Son is only called "God" in our English Bibles. He is not called "God" in Hebrew or Greek, but "elohim" and "theos", both of which are titles of beings other than the Father. When "elohim" is used of the Son, it cannot refer to "YHWH Elohim" since Yeshua himself said his Father (YHWH) is the "only true Elohim (God)" John 17:3.

(John 5:43) "I am come in my Father's name...."

(Matt. 21:9) "...Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord....."

(Ps. 118:26) "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the LORD...."

(Ps. 118:27) "God is the LORD...."

Stranger

 

[101G]

Actually, if I may answer, both. He is "LORD" when that title is erroneously used in place of "YHWH" and He is "Lord" when it is a translation of "Adonai" as in its first use in Genesis 15:2. However, He is NOT "Lord" when it refers to a title of the Son.

well I asked, "who sent his angel to John?". well the angel tells us who the "Lord" God is, .... the Son, Jesus. because in Revelation 22:6 the angel that was sent tells us who sent him, "THE Lord God of the holy prophets", listen, "And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done". here clearly it's the Lord God who sent his angel. ok now, who by name is the Lord God? Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star". so the Lord God is Jesus the Son....

your assessment of the LORD and the Lord has beem rebutted, and reprove by the scriptures.

so now, we're back to the same question. is the Person in John 1:3 the same person in Isaiah 44:24. we say the same person. which destroyes and 3 person trinity.

if someone has another answer please post it.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

(John 5:43) "I am come in my Father's name...."

(Matt. 21:9) "...Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord....."

(Ps. 118:26) "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the LORD...."

(Ps. 118:27) "God is the LORD...."

Stranger

so stranger are you ready to declare that the "LORD" is the Father, and the "Son" is the "Lord".

and ARE YOU IN A POSITION TO DEFEND THAT THE PERSON IN ISAIAH 44:24 IS NOT THE SAME PERSON OF JOHN 1:3?

if so please post your explination. for your term God have been destroyed for the cover of all your three persons.

just reference back to post #83.

PICJAG

 

[Stranger]

ok let say it again.

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself"

is this the "Father" yes or no?


John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

is this the "Son"/WORD yes or no?

your answer please.

PICJAG.

(Is. 44:24) speaks of LORD as One. All three, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are involved.

The Son is spoken of in (John 1:1-3) as the Word. (1:14) And the Son is God.

Stranger

 

[gadar perets]

(John 5:43) "I am come in my Father's name...."

(Matt. 21:9) "...Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord....."

(Ps. 118:26) "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the LORD...."

(Ps. 118:27) "God is the LORD...."

Stranger

The first three verses do not mean the Son came bearing the name YHWH, but that he came in the authority of YHWH.

 

[101G]

(Is. 44:24) speaks of LORD as One. All three, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are involved.

The Son is spoken of in (John 1:1-3) as the Word. (1:14) And the Son is God.

Stranger

(smile) ...lol, look stranger did you not read Isaiah 44:24, he said that he was "ALONE" and "BY Himself" ... hello anyone home. do you know what alone and by myself means?

alone: having no one else present.

by myself: alone, synonyms with, unaccompanied, independently, solo, unassisted

are you getting this.

try again.

PICJAG.

 

[Stranger]

so stranger are you ready to declare that the "LORD" is the Father, and the "Son" is the "Lord".

and ARE YOU IN A POSITION TO DEFEND THAT THE PERSON IN ISAIAH 44:24 IS NOT THE SAME PERSON OF JOHN 1:3?

if so please post your explination. for your term God have been destroyed for the cover of all your three persons.

just reference back to post #83.

PICJAG

Where did I say that God in (Is. 44) is not the same as He in (John 1)? I haven't. I have said all three Persons are involved in (Is. 44). God the Son, the Word, was present.

Stranger

 

[101G]

The first three verses do not mean the Son came bearing the name YHWH, but that he came in the authority of YHWH.

correct, see, YHWH is a title and not a personal name. let's bare this out. YHWH is called the tetragrammaton that come from "I AM THAT I AM", which is H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. did one notice that it's a "VERB", and verbs are not NOUNS. and nouns are personal names.

PICJAG.

 

[gadar perets]

well I asked, "who sent his angel to John?". well the angel tells us who the "Lord" God is, .... the Son, Jesus. because in Revelation 22:6 the angel that was sent tells us who sent him, "THE Lord God of the holy prophets", listen, "And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done". here clearly it's the Lord God who sent his angel.

Good. The Father (the Lord God) sent the angel.

ok now, who by name is the Lord God? Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star". so the Lord God is Jesus the Son....

your assessment of the LORD and the Lord has beem rebutted, and reprove by the scriptures.

The Son is NEVER called "the Lord God" in Scripture. The Father sent the angel by commanding His Son to send the angel just as the Father sent the Revelation by commanding His Son to send the Revelation. You have not rebutted anything. All you have done was incorrectly interpret Yeshua's words.

so now, we're back to the same question. is the Person in John 1:3 the same person in Isaiah 44:24. we say the same person. which destroyes and 3 person trinity.

if someone has another answer please post it.

PICJAG.

Isaiah 44:24 refers to Father YHWH who created everything all by Himself. Other verses reveal He did accomplished creating by speaking His words. John 1:3 refers to Father YHWH speaking everything into existence. You are reading the Son into John 1:1-3.

 

[101G]

Where did I say that God in (Is. 44) is not the same as He in (John 1)? I haven't. I have said all three Persons are involved in (Is. 44). God the Son, the Word, was present.

Stranger

stranger are you that ignorant? all three person was not involved in creation according to Isaiah 44:24. once again did you not read? he, he, he, he, was alone, alone, alone, and was by himself, by himself, by himself. there are no other PERSON. can you get that through your head?. there was no other PERSON.

if you cannot get it now, sorry for you.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

The Son is NEVER called "the Lord God" in Scripture. The Father sent the angel by commanding His Son to send the angel just as the Father sent the Revelation by commanding His Son to send the Revelation. You have not rebutted anything. All you have done was incorrectly interpret Yeshua's words.

the Father sent the angel by commanding the son to sent the angel, ok, post the scripture where it said the Father commanded the son to send the angel.

book chapter and verse please.

PICJAG

 

[Stranger]

The first three verses do not mean the Son came bearing the name YHWH, but that he came in the authority of YHWH.

It means the Father can be called Lord, or LORD, or God.

(John 12:41) "These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory,and spake of him." (Isaiah 6:1) "I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne,..." (Is. 6:5) "the LORD of hosts."

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

stranger are you that ignorant? all three person was not involved in creation according to Isaiah 44:24. once again did you not read? he, he, he, he, was alone, alone, alone, and was by himself, by himself, by himself. there are no other PERSON. can you get that through your head?. there was no other PERSON.

if you cannot get it now, sorry for you.

PICJAG.

I have explained it to you already. God is One. He is a He. But God is three Persons. 'Let us' Remember?

Stranger

 

[101G]

It means the Father can be called Lord, or LORD, or God.

but do not your trinity doctrine states all 3 are separate and distinct? if he can be called either then there is no distiction, and no separation. you just violated the centeral premises of your doctrine of seperate and distinct.

PICJAG.

 

[gadar perets]

correct, see, YHWH is a title and not a personal name. let's bare this out. YHWH is called the tetragrammaton that come from "I AM THAT I AM", which is H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. did one notice that it's a "VERB", and verbs are not NOUNS. and nouns are personal names.

PICJAG.

"YHWH" is a name, NOT a title (Exodus 3:15; Isaiah 42:8). "Hayah" is a verb. "YHWH" is a proper noun.

From the Blue Letter Bible.
יְהֹוָה

Part of Speech
proper noun with reference to deity
Root Word (Etymology)
From הָיָה (H1961)

 

[Stranger]

but do not your trinity doctrine states all 3 are separate and distinct? if he can be called either then there is no distiction, and no separation. you just violated the centeral premises of your doctrine of seperate and distinct.

PICJAG.

Three Pesons, but One God. Jesus said, (John 10:30), "I and my Father are one." Distinction yet One.

Stranger