Amillenialism and Acts 1:11

[CNKW3]

Of course! it will be EXACTLY as the Bible says it will be the Lord Jesus feet will stand on the Mount of Olives and it will split in two.

2 Peter 3:10-11 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
This is the second coming of the Lord. He’s not coming back to stand on the mount of olives. If that is what Zechariah is talking about then it should be talked about throughout the NT. It’s not. There is no Christ standing on the mount of olives in the NT. That’s because Zech was not talking about a second coming.

 

[tzcho2]

It is also God that did away with it in AD 70. Never to be brought back. There might be a nation Israel today but it is not even close to the same. No records, no priest hood, no tribes, no temple, no king. God always sent them prophets to communicate with them. Not any more. They are left desolate just as Jesus said they would be.

You are ignoring scripture. It has been God's plan since the beginning, God did not break His covenant with them- They are still His people, He watches over the Nation of Israel . Why do I say that? for one scripture-> Romans 11 , Romans 11, Romans 11 every amillenialist likes to ignore it or trivialize it away. God put them aside only temporarily to allow in the Gentiles and graft these wild branches on to the olive tree.
Romans 11 : "25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,26and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;

he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

27And this is my covenant with them

when I take away their sins.”

28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
33Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and i knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,and his paths beyond tracing out!34“Who has known the mind of the Lord?Or who has been his counselor?”
35“Who has ever given to God,that God should repay them?”
36For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen."

 

[CNKW3]

You are ignoring scripture. It has been God's plan since the beginning, God did not break His covenant with them- They are still His people, He watches over the Nation of Israel . Why do I say that? for one scripture-> Romans 11 , Romans 11, Romans 11 every amillenialist likes to ignore it or trivialize it away. God put them aside only temporarily to allow in the Gentiles and graft these wild branches on to the olive tree.
Romans 11 : "25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,26and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

All Romans 11 says is that Israel will be saved IN THE SAME WAY as the gentiles. Vs 20-25 speak of the faith of the gentiles and unbelief of Israel. And in vs 26 it says...
26and in this way all Israel will be saved
What way? Obedience to the gospel of Christ. Heb 5:9 tells us Christ is the author of eternal salvation to ALL (including Israel) who obey him.
You want to give a wicked and ungodly nation that killed Jesus a pass. They still don’t believe Christ was the messiah. But no, just because some guy was born with the last name Goldberg he’s one of God’s special people. He doesn’t even practice the law God gave him. He practices some made up religion and you think God dont care.

 

[CNKW3]

You are ignoring scripture. It has been God's plan since the beginning, God did not break His covenant with them- They are still His people, He watches over the Nation of Israel .

Does this include the Trumps? I believe a couple of them are now “Jews”. Are they Gods special people too. Why don’t we all just become “jews” then we don’t have to worry about that Christ stuff. We don’t have to obey, we don’t have to follow him because we will be Gods special people..

 

[tzcho2]

Does this include the Trumps? I believe a couple of them are now “Jews”. Are they Gods special people too. Why don’t we all just become “jews” then we don’t have to worry about that Christ stuff. We don’t have to obey, we don’t have to follow him because we will be Gods special people..

Why would it be any of your business if God called them HIS people?
It's between God and them.

 

[friend of]

You really think the mountain is going to split in two?

I wouldnt underestimate the impact a magnitude-10 earthquake could have.

 

[CNKW3]

Why would it be any of your business if God called them HIS people?
It's between God and them.

Because an inspired apostle tells us this....
Acts 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

God is no respecter of persons. The Trumps become “jews” and now they’re Gods special people? They don’t have to work righteousness through faith in Christ. The goldbergs get a pass but I don’t? Talk about being a respecter of persons. They practice a religion God never even gave them and everyone says they are still Gods people. Paul preached justification through faith in Christ but nooo it don’t apply to them. They are Gods special people!

 

[CNKW3]

I wouldnt underestimate the impact a magnitude-10 earthquake could have.

that can happen without Jesus feet standing on it.

 

[tzcho2]

that can happen without Jesus feet standing on it.

Saddest is a self identifying Christian who doubts the word of God ,doubts that Jesus feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, & it will split in two. It is one thing talking to an unbeliever but someone who calls themselves a believer but who denies the word of God,I pity. Do they know Jesus how can they actually? it is like partial belief.

 

[CNKW3]

Saddest is a self identifying Christian who doubts the word of God ,doubts that Jesus feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, & it will split in two. It is one thing talking to an unbeliever but someone who calls themselves a believer but who denies the word of God,I pity. Do they know Jesus how can they actually? it is like partial belief.

Now you are just showing how you are guided by human reasoning and human wisdom. That which Paul wrote about in 1 Cor 2. I never denied the word of God. I denied your teaching and interpretation of the word of God.
Has Jesus feet been on the mount of olives? Yes or no?
I BELIEVE that the book of Zechariah had the first coming in mind and not some distant 3000+ year second coming (when the first coming had not even taken place). The Jews were looking for a messiah to come. Not come again.

 

[Davy]

Saddest is a self identifying Christian who doubts the word of God ,doubts that Jesus feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, & it will split in two. It is one thing talking to an unbeliever but someone who calls themselves a believer but who denies the word of God,I pity. Do they know Jesus how can they actually? it is like partial belief.

A problem with forums like these, anyone can come here claiming to be a Christian.

 

[CNKW3]

A problem with forums like these, anyone can come here claiming to be a Christian.

What standard do you use to decide who is and is not a Christian?

 

[Davy]

What standard do you use to decide who is and is not a Christian?

It takes some time for the non-Christian that comes here to reveal themselves, but eventually one can tell simply by their doctrines that align more with orthodox Judaism than with Christianity.

The term Judeo-Christian is actually an oxymoron term. There is no such thing. Judaism is vehemently against Christian doctrine. And Judaism is not the religion of the early time of the children of Israel from Moses. Their doctrines became corrupted in Babylon, and this is why Jesus rebuked their traditions they created outside the spirit of God's Word.

The doctrine some here have about today's Jews returning to Israel, or their becoming a nation state again in 1948, and applying that to Bible prophecy about the return of all... 12 tribes of Israel in final, is a doctrine of orthodox Jews today. That is NOT a Christian doctrine! And the reason is simple, because the true return of all 12 tribes will accompany the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

 

[CNKW3]

It takes some time for the non-Christian that comes here to reveal themselves, but eventually one can tell simply by their doctrines that align more with orthodox Judaism than with Christianity.

The term Judeo-Christian is actually an oxymoron term. There is no such thing. Judaism is vehemently against Christian doctrine. And Judaism is not the religion of the early time of the children of Israel from Moses. Their doctrines became corrupted in Babylon, and this is why Jesus rebuked their traditions they created outside the spirit of God's Word.

The doctrine some here have about today's Jews returning to Israel, or their becoming a nation state again in 1948, and applying that to Bible prophecy about the return of all... 12 tribes of Israel in final, is a doctrine of orthodox Jews today. That is NOT a Christian doctrine! And the reason is simple, because the true return of all 12 tribes will accompany the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

By their doctrines? Ok thanks. That is good to know.

 

[Jay Ross]

It takes some time for the non-Christian that comes here to reveal themselves, but eventually one can tell simply by their doctrines that align more with orthodox Judaism than with Christianity.

The term Judeo-Christian is actually an oxymoron term. There is no such thing. Judaism is vehemently against Christian doctrine. And Judaism is not the religion of the early time of the children of Israel from Moses. Their doctrines became corrupted in Babylon, and this is why Jesus rebuked their traditions they created outside the spirit of God's Word.

The doctrine some here have about today's Jews returning to Israel, or their becoming a nation state again in 1948, and applying that to Bible prophecy about the return of all... 12 tribes of Israel in final, is a doctrine of orthodox Jews today. That is NOT a Christian doctrine! And the reason is simple, because the true return of all 12 tribes will accompany the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.

By their doctrines? Ok thanks. That is good to know.

Davy's post quoted above is what happens when he is called out for what he posts when you consider his doctrines as well.

Shalom

 

[tzcho2]

Now you are just showing how you are guided by human reasoning and human wisdom. That which Paul wrote about in 1 Cor 2. I never denied the word of God. I denied your teaching and interpretation of the word of God.
Has Jesus feet been on the mount of olives? Yes or no?
I BELIEVE that the book of Zechariah had the first coming in mind and not some distant 3000+ year second coming (when the first coming had not even taken place). The Jews were looking for a messiah to come. Not come again.

No I'm not using human reasoning, I'm comparing the Bible to your beliefs. You've shown your beliefs deny the word all over the place.

 

[CNKW3]

No I'm not using human reasoning, I'm comparing the Bible to your beliefs. You've shown your beliefs deny the word all over the place.

All over the place? Name one place where I have denied the word.

 

[tzcho2]

All over the place? Name one place where I have denied the word.

Because an inspired apostle tells us this....
Acts 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

God is no respecter of persons. The Trumps become “jews” and now they’re Gods special people? They don’t have to work righteousness through faith in Christ. The goldbergs get a pass but I don’t? Talk about being a respecter of persons. They practice a religion God never even gave them and everyone says they are still Gods people. Paul preached justification through faith in Christ but nooo it don’t apply to them. They are Gods special people!

The fact is I would say that it is more the case that you are no respecter of the Trumps when it is none of your business or anyones to say whether God does or doesn't consider them Jews. It seems highly arrogant for any gentile to believe that is any of their business to judge Jews spiritually or genetically. God the Father is faithful & long suffering,don't you know that? Why is it any of your concern who is one of God's people? Please don't try to hide behind the scripture,I'm sure God didn't have that scripture written down for that purpose. It just sounds like jealousy of the Jewish race that God chose as His people. Guess what Christians are His people too, we were grafted in as the wild olive branches. Do you not understand that because He chose them doesn't mean that they don't still need to repent & come to Christ? Christians should understand why they received the Gospel- it is because of the Jews waywardness that gentiles have been grafted in in the first place. That should humble us not make us proud. It is not our place to judge them, but to pray for them that their blindness cease & that they know the Lord as their Savior & LORD. Having animosity towards the Jews shows a lack of knowing the Father's heart , nor knowing the trib is God's focus upon the Jews, it is called the time of Jacob's trouble. Knowing the scripture means we know Israel is a nation before God , because of God & He will save a remnant of His people. The fact that the Jews are still blind at this point in time is scriptural. At the time of the tribulation God will protect them & they will come to genuinely cry out to the Lord and be saved.

 

[tzcho2]

Jesus presently reigns on David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above until the resurrection on the last day. He then delivers the kingdom up to the Father where he continues to reign in the new heavens and earth forever.

Jesus will physically sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem & reign for 1000 yrs after the Tribulation.

 

[CNKW3]

The fact is I would say that it is more the case that you are no respecter of the Trumps when it is none of your business or anyones to say whether God does or doesn't consider them Jews. It seems highly arrogant for any gentile to believe that is any of their business to judge Jews spiritually or genetically. God the Father is faithful & long suffering,don't you know that? Why is it any of your concern who is one of God's people? Please don't try to hide behind the scripture,I'm sure God didn't have that scripture written down for that purpose. It just sounds like jealousy of the Jewish race that God chose as His people. Guess what Christians are His people too, we were grafted in as the wild olive branches. Do you not understand that because He chose them doesn't mean that they don't still need to repent & come to Christ. Christians should understand how they received the Gospel , it is because of the Jews waywardness that gentiles have been grafted in in the first place. It is not our place to judge them, but to pray for them that their blindness cease & that they know the Lord as their Savior & LORD. Having your animosity towards the Jews is- symptomatic of not knowing the Father's heart , nor knowing scripture that HE will save a remnant of His people as the Bible states. The fact that the Jews are still blind at this point in time is scriptural. The Tribulation is called "Jacob's trouble" i.e at the tribulation they will come to genuinely cry out to the Lord and be saved.

Since you didn’t give any biblical examples of where I deny the word I guess we can say it is not “all over the place”.
Why is it any concern of mine as to who is one of God’s people? Crazy question if you think about it. How do you know who to preach the gospel too? If you don’t make certain judgements and determinations about people then how do you know who needs the gospel?
I have no animosity toward “jewish” people today. They are lost but I don’t have any ill feelings toward them. I have I’ll feelings about misleading false doctrine.