Mature Spiritual Christians No Longer Need the Written Word?

[ScottA]

No one is talking about the milk of the Word. Do you consider Revelation 6 the milk of the Word? Do you have a full grasp on it?
This view of putting away childish things, having it refer to God's Word is poor hermeneutics as Paul is not referring to God's Word but our maturity.

You cited
(1Co 13:10) But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
which again has nothing to do with Scripture but when we shall see Jesus face to face.
(1Co 13:12) For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Don't you see that your use of Scripture to downplay Scripture is self defeating?

This is a re-run of Israel holding onto the law and justifying their action by killing Christ. And my argument and clarification is the same: Just as the law is not done away with, but fulfilled, so too the scriptures are not actually done away with, but fulfilled...but fulfilled in spirit. First the natural, then the spirit.

So, don't think that I am against the scriptures, but rather for the Spirit and the fulfillment of all that is written, not in part, but in full. But you argue in part and resist the fulfillment of all that is promised.

 

[ScottA]

I didn't say it was better, I said it wasn't personal. Personal attacks are not nice, but I can't help it if someone takes offense at a general statement not aimed at them.
If I said 'most theological liberals are heretics' and someone interjects themselves into that statement and takes offense...what am I supposed to do, shut up or only say positive sweet nothings about a group? As Christians we are to expose false teachings, especially from groups.

Except you are against the full promise of God, and this group you call names, not only revere Him by what is written, but also worship Him in spirit and in truth according to the same word. This day was foretold, and like Israel and the law, you run the risk of becoming an enemy of the complete gospel.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

There is nothing wrong with that...for a while that is.

But when one is fully grown he should put away childish things. And when we know in full by the perfection of God, that which we once only knew in part...is done away with. 1 Corinthians 13:10 All of which is according to the word and promise of God. But it is not written that we should remain in the milk of His word forever.

Reading and studying the word of God is "childish"??? "Jesus replied, 'Your mistake is that you don't know the Scriptures, and you don't know the power of God'." (Matthew 22:29}

 

[prism]

This is a re-run of Israel holding onto the law and justifying their action by killing Christ. And my argument and clarification is the same: Just as the law is not done away with, but fulfilled, so too the scriptures are not actually done away with, but fulfilled...but fulfilled in spirit. First the natural, then the spirit.

So, don't think that I am against the scriptures, but rather for the Spirit and the fulfillment of all that is written, not in part, but in full. But you argue in part and resist the fulfillment of all that is promised.

The Law? Whaa? How did that topic enter? Apples and turnips.

 

[prism]

Except you are against the full promise of God, and this group you call names, not only revere Him by what is written, but also worship Him in spirit and in truth according to the same word. This day was foretold, and like Israel and the law, you run the risk of becoming an enemy of the complete gospel.

I see, you are just talking off the cuff, without substance of your charges, hoping something sticks.
Did God make pink Leprechauns? I suppose you would make a case for that too?

 

[ScottA]

The Law? Whaa? How did that topic enter? Apples and turnips.

Look...if you can't track with history or follow an actual example by comparison...well you will just have to relive it. But you may want to take notes so you can remind yourself of just how you were on the wrong side of God advancing His salvation plans.

 

[prism]

Look...if you can't track with history or follow an actual example by comparison...well you will just have to relive it. But you may want to take notes so you can remind yourself of just how you were on the wrong side of God advancing His salvation plans.

yeah, well...whatever.

 

[ScottA]

I see, you are just talking off the cuff, without substance of your charges, hoping something sticks.
Did God make pink Leprechauns? I suppose you would make a case for that too?

You mock me, but I gave an historical foreshadowing example and precedence that happened in the natural with the natural vine that is now repeating in the spiritual by many who are graphed in. Except in this case, those graphed in are not under the full promise as Israel was, which grace does not afford speaking against the Holy Spirit during these times.

 

[prism]

You mock me, but I gave an historical foreshadowing example and precedence that happened in the natural with the natural vine that is now repeating in the spiritual by many who are graphed in. Except in this case, those graphed in are not under the full promise as Israel was, which grace does not afford speaking against the Holy Spirit during these times.

I am not mocking you. I just don't have a clue what you are talking about.
All I know is that you are taking this thread off the topic and on to personal stuff.
Are you able to talk about the topic in the OP without getting into personal jabs?
Your first personal jab started on post 12 your first post.

 

[ScottA]

I am not mocking you. I just don't have a clue what you are talking about.
All I know is that you are taking this thread off the topic and on to personal stuff.
Are you able to talk about the topic in the OP without getting into personal jabs?
Your first personal jab started on post 12 your first post.

That's a bunch of hooey.

I quoted you, so there is no question about your mocking.

You may not know what I am talking about (duh!), but it is you who started this topic with criticism against "mature spiritual Christians." So your "off the topic" comment is just you evading what you have coming. Apparently, you can dish it out but can't take the criticism yourself. And you own the "personal stuff" and "jabs" too...from your original post and title, with some apparent disdain for spiritual fulfillment of the promises of God.

Shame on you for blaming me for calling you out on your own misconduct.

 

[amadeus]

75% of Revelation, if not more...is still a mystery to me.
Much preaching on it..and many sounding wise on it...but only God will reveal it's full meaning when we get there. ( although I have heard many say that it has already all been fulfilled! )

I don't pretend to have any answers to its means. I'll leave that to the wise.

I have read it many times Helen and read studies on it and still much of it [75%? Likely more than that] still eludes me... A lot of this that I read I have forgotten which reminds me that there is a difference between memorizing or even studying verses of scripture (or established doctrines) and having something written on your heart by God... even though the two may appear to be the same to some sometimes.

 

[amadeus]

What change? Where God writes His nature on our hearts? I'm not opposed to that since it has happened to me, but I still find that God's written Word is essential.

But it is not ended yet with you and in you has it?
How would you interpret this written verse?

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

 

[dorian37grey]

just my view :
when God talks with you ; does he say anything outside what the bible says
when Jesus spoke ; was it showing the why of the bible verses --- bringing them to light ?
when the holy spirit speaks ; does he contradict the bible ?

my view ; yes we need the scriptures
and ; we spend a lifetime learning them
if one no longer can learn from them --- well ?

 

[amadeus]

just my view :
when God talks with you ; does he say anything outside what the bible says
when Jesus spoke ; was it showing the why of the bible verses --- bringing them to light ?
when the holy spirit speaks ; does he contradict the bible ?

my view ; yes we need the scriptures
and ; we spend a lifetime learning them
if one no longer can learn from them --- well ?

Even so my friend! Consider the scriptures as the dead body of Jesus, the flesh which we are to eat; and consider the Holy Spirit [the quickening Spirit of God] the blood of Jesus which we are to drink. If we only eat flesh [compare the hamburger the natural body eats] and it is never brought to life within us [all good food eaten (that dead hamburger)] it will not nourish us and become a Living part of us. [See John 5:53 and John 1:14]

 

[prism]

But it is not ended yet with you and in you has it?
How would you interpret this written verse?

"He must increase, but I must decrease." John 3:30

No, it ends with God being glorified, not me.
John 3:30 is John testifying to the fact that our dependency is to grow increasingly upon Him and less upon ourselves.
What made you ask your 1st question?

 

[dorian37grey]

the eating and drinking
this is the old man going to the new creation ( MY VIEW)
EATING THE FLESH ; with his death ONLY NOW has the price been paid ; ONLY NOW can we be saved
DRINKING THE BLOOD ; with his death ONLY NOW can we be saved
the old man NEEDS TO HAVE THIS before he is cleaned up enough TO GET the holy spirit
the holy spirit is whats marks the NEW CREATION

WHAT I WAS ; the old man
what i am now ; THE NEW CREATION

THE DIFFERENCE ;
THE OLD MAN WAS THE FLESH TIED TO THE SOUL
but now
flesh ; no longer us ( ITS like our car here a vehicle for this world ) --- its never going to heaven
the new creation is ( soul / joined to ) the holy spirit --- its never going to hell

 

[prism]

just my view :
when God talks with you ; does he say anything outside what the bible says
when Jesus spoke ; was it showing the why of the bible verses --- bringing them to light ?
when the holy spirit speaks ; does he contradict the bible ?

my view ; yes we need the scriptures
and ; we spend a lifetime learning them
if one no longer can learn from them --- well ?

I agree. The Holy Spirit will take His Word and confirm it to our understanding. He will not contradict His own Word. And He is not adding new revelation about Himself.

 

[ScottA]

I agree. The Holy Spirit will take His Word and confirm it to our understanding. He will not contradict His own Word. And He is not adding new revelation about Himself.

The Holy Spirit may not be "adding new revelation about Himself" on tablets. But your comment does not even leave room for "now we see through a glass dimly, but then face to face." Why do you assume such a limit?

 

[amadeus]

No, it ends with God being glorified, not me.

Even so should we approach it, so why do you argue so strongly about the errors you believe you see in men? Can a man's heart be right without having all of doctrines established in him according to me or according to you? You believe that what you believe is right... well believe it or not I believe what I believe is right. If we are both sincere and strive as best we even though out beliefs are different which one of us will God reject? Is not the answer in this verse?

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33

John 3:30 is John testifying to the fact that our dependency is to grow increasingly upon Him and less upon ourselves.
What made you ask your 1st question?

My first question was to allow you or to help you to admit to yourself that God is NOT finished with you yet... unless you have erected a blockade against Him. If you are correct in your beliefs you have nothing to fear. If you are wrong in any part, will not your openness to God on every point allow Him to redirect you as needed? This is the point of Luke 14:8-11. Read it carefully and prayerfully.

 

[dorian37grey]

PERSONALLY I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ; but

The Holy Spirit may not be "adding new revelation about Himself" on tablets. But your comment does not even leave room for "now we see through a glass dimly, but then face to face." Why do you assume such a limit?

we all start off as that man born blind --- thats mankind
thats the glass we look through dimly
after we receive Jesus ; get the holy spirit
only then do we even start to see ( again just my view )