Buying and selling in the last days

[shnarkle]

There's a claim by some that we're living in the last days. Those who make this claim also point out that during the last days, the antichrist will insist that those who wish to buy or sell must take his mark, but that hasn't happened. The reason they say it hasn't happened is because they're still buying and selling. Why they presume this to be the case should be obvious, but then hypocrisy and an inability to exercise even rudimentary critical thinking skills are pervasive today; also a sign of the times.

So what is the mark of the beast according to these same people? It's a literal mark, a tattoo, a chip, etc. It might as well be that obvious, but when people have lost their way, and can't see the truth when it's staring them in the face, it's pretty easy to slip something that obvious past them.

The bible talks of another mark, one that his chosen people can be identified by. How many of those professing to know so much about the mark of the beast know what that mark is? How many ever stopped to think their interest in the mark of the beast might be a clue to which mark they've already taken?

Who knows what mark God has given to his people which distinguishes them from the mark of the beast?

If we're truly living in the last days and the mark of the beast has been given to allow us to buy and sell, wouldn't it seem a good idea to stop buying and selling, and figure out what that mark could be rather than just assuming the antichrist hasn't handed out his mark yet?
"That old serpent the devil, and satan" is presented as being subtle enough to tempt and seduce the pinnacle of God's creation. Adam and Eve began life walking with God, and yet Satan was able to deceive them. Why would people think that Satan would be any less subtle in these last days with a fallen world? In a world where practically no one walks with God anymore, we're all basically walking around in the dark, and Paul points out that Satan comes transforming himself as an angel of light.

What better way to deceive the world than by mixing the truth with a few lies? Those closest to the truth are the best liars, and you can't get much closer to God than being a cherub.

It's ironic that the believer and skeptic alike seek a god who will show himself, and yet the bible informs us that it is the antichrist who shows himself to be god.

 

[Enoch111]

...the antichrist will insist that those who wish to buy or sell must take his mark, but that hasn't happened. The reason they say it hasn't happened is because they're still buying and selling.

That is not the reason. The reason is that the Antichrist has not taken control of this world and its economies as yet. That is still in the future, and he will be given just 3 1/2 years to do his dastardly deeds.

 

[Keraz]

There's a claim by some that we're living in the last days.

We are, but the prophesied things that will happen before Jesus Returns, have not commenced yet.
That we are very close to that, is evidenced by the situation in the Middle East.

Here is scripturally supported list of what must happen;
Soon to happen: The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26-28 & 30, Malachi 4:1 & 3, Revelation 6:12-17
It will be the Sixth seal event of cosmic and worldwide effects and the Middle East will be virtually depopulated, cleared and cleansed, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18
It will be the fulfilment of Psalms 83, Isaiah 2:12-21, 2 Peter 3:7, +
A small Messianic Jewish remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13
Many will die around the world: Isaiah 51:6, Jeremiah 9:22, but most will survive and eventually re-establish the infrastructure.

The Seventh seal, Revelation 8:1, is ‘about’ a 20 year time gap until the Return of Jesus. [1/48th of a day in heaven = 1/48th of 1000 years on earth]

In a short while: Isaiah 29:17, all the holy Land will be regenerated and the Lord’s people, Christian Israelites, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, all born again believers; will gather in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10 They will live in peace and prosperity and 144,000 missionaries are selected from them, to go out to all peoples and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19

The rest of the nations will form a One World Government, led by ten Presidents. Daniel 7:24, Revelation 17:12 Before long, three will be taken over and the other seven will confer their power onto another strong leader. Daniel 11:21, Revelation 13:1-8

After a few years: a Northern confederation, led by a person referred to as Gog, will be motivated to attack Beulah – an unprotected nation, of great wealth. Amos 9:13, Isaiah 60:9, 61:6
Gog and his horde will be totally wiped out and it will take seven years to bury them and clean the land. Ezekiel 38 & 39, Joel 2:20

Sometime later, the strong leader of the World Government, will make a seven year treaty with Beulah. This marks the commencement of the seventieth ‘week’ [seven years] of Daniel. There is a 3½ year period of calm and peace in the world. Daniel 9:27

After that: the world dictator comes to Jerusalem in force and declares himself to be god in the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, the Trumpet and Bowl judgements. The ‘Woman’- Christian Israelites who refused to violate the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, are taken to a place of safety for 1260 days. Zechariah 14:2, Revelation 12:14

Then comes the Glorious Return of Jesus: The battle of Armageddon, Jesus destroys the army of the Anti-Christ by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan.

The regathering of Christian Israel, all those who have kept faithful. Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thess 4:15-17

The 1000 year Millennium reign of King Jesus and His resurrected saints.



The final attack against the holy Land and the armies are instantly cremated. Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 16:13-16, Revelation 19:17-21

The Great White Throne judgement, and a New Heaven and a New Earth. Daniel 7:9-10, Revelation chapters 20:11-15 & 21:1-7

 

[shnarkle]

We are, but the prophesied things that will happen before Jesus Returns, have not commenced yet.
That we are very close to that, is evidenced by the situation in the Middle East.

Here is scripturally supported list of what must happen;
Soon to happen: The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a CME sunstrike. Isaiah 30:26-28 & 30, Malachi 4:1 & 3, Revelation 6:12-17
It will be the Sixth seal event of cosmic and worldwide effects and the Middle East will be virtually depopulated, cleared and cleansed, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18
It will be the fulfilment of Psalms 83, Isaiah 2:12-21, 2 Peter 3:7, +
A small Messianic Jewish remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13
Many will die around the world: Isaiah 51:6, Jeremiah 9:22, but most will survive and eventually re-establish the infrastructure.

The Seventh seal, Revelation 8:1, is ‘about’ a 20 year time gap until the Return of Jesus. [1/48th of a day in heaven = 1/48th of 1000 years on earth]

In a short while: Isaiah 29:17, all the holy Land will be regenerated and the Lord’s people, Christian Israelites, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, all born again believers; will gather in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10 They will live in peace and prosperity and 144,000 missionaries are selected from them, to go out to all peoples and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19

The rest of the nations will form a One World Government, led by ten Presidents. Daniel 7:24, Revelation 17:12 Before long, three will be taken over and the other seven will confer their power onto another strong leader. Daniel 11:21, Revelation 13:1-8

After a few years: a Northern confederation, led by a person referred to as Gog, will be motivated to attack Beulah – an unprotected nation, of great wealth. Amos 9:13, Isaiah 60:9, 61:6
Gog and his horde will be totally wiped out and it will take seven years to bury them and clean the land. Ezekiel 38 & 39, Joel 2:20

Sometime later, the strong leader of the World Government, will make a seven year treaty with Beulah. This marks the commencement of the seventieth ‘week’ [seven years] of Daniel. There is a 3½ year period of calm and peace in the world. Daniel 9:27

After that: the world dictator comes to Jerusalem in force and declares himself to be god in the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, the Trumpet and Bowl judgements. The ‘Woman’- Christian Israelites who refused to violate the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, are taken to a place of safety for 1260 days. Zechariah 14:2, Revelation 12:14

Then comes the Glorious Return of Jesus: The battle of Armageddon, Jesus destroys the army of the Anti-Christ by the Sword of His Word and chains up Satan.

The regathering of Christian Israel, all those who have kept faithful. Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thess 4:15-17

The 1000 year Millennium reign of King Jesus and His resurrected saints.



The final attack against the holy Land and the armies are instantly cremated. Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 16:13-16, Revelation 19:17-21

The Great White Throne judgement, and a New Heaven and a New Earth. Daniel 7:9-10, Revelation chapters 20:11-15 & 21:1-7

So where in all of that does the ability to buy and sell only with the mark of the beast fit into that equation?

 

[shilohsfoal]

Its not time yet but Netanyahu(king Bibi)is working on his cashless society.

While 144000 recieve the name of thier father in thier foreheads by the true king of Israel(Christ),the others in Israel recieve the mark of Israels goverment.
Give it a few more years.

Israel eyes cashless economy to boost tax collection

Law restricting use of cash goes into effect

 

[Keraz]

So where in all of that does the ability to buy and sell only with the mark of the beast fit into that equation?

When the One World Govt is taken over by a powerful and charismatic man. Daniel 7:24-25, Revelation 17:10-14
But we Christians will not belong to the OWG, we will live in our own country, in all of the holy land; the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5 Proved by how the OWG leader comes to Beulah and makes a 7 year peace treaty with them. Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 28:14-15

Its not time yet but Netanyahu(king Bibi)is working on his cashless society.

While 144000 recieve the name of thier father in thier foreheads by the true king of Israel(Christ),the others in Israel recieve the mark of Israels goverment.
Give it a few more years.

Why can't you see that the Jewish State of Israel will be no more after the forthcoming terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath?
They will be gone, along with all the evil neighbors. Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 10:18, Romans 9:27

BTW, a record six spelling mistakes in one sentance! Not a good look for you.

 

[Willie T]

We have many writings telling us just what a difficult time it was when the Romans decreed those things almost 2,000 years ago. The early Christians really had it rough.

 

[Willie T]

When the One World Govt is taken over by a powerful and charismatic man. Daniel 7:24-25, Revelation 17:10-14
But we Christians will not belong to the OWG, we will live in our own country, in all of the holy land; the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5 Proved by how the OWG leader comes to Beulah and makes a 7 year peace treaty with them. Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 28:14-15

Why can't you see that the Jewish State of Israel will be no more after the forthcoming terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath?
They will be gone, along with all the evil neighbors. Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 10:18, Romans 9:27

BTW, a record six spelling mistakes in one sentance! Not a good look for you.

And you didn't even spell "sentence" correctly when you criticized him.

 

[shilohsfoal]

When the One World Govt is taken over by a powerful and charismatic man. Daniel 7:24-25, Revelation 17:10-14
But we Christians will not belong to the OWG, we will live in our own country, in all of the holy land; the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5 Proved by how the OWG leader comes to Beulah and makes a 7 year peace treaty with them. Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 28:14-15

Why can't you see that the Jewish State of Israel will be no more after the forthcoming terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath?
They will be gone, along with all the evil neighbors. Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 10:18, Romans 9:27

BTW, a record six spelling mistakes in one sentance! Not a good look for you.

It happens wnd you already know why.But your showing who you are of and its not God.

 

[shnarkle]

When the One World Govt is taken over by a powerful and charismatic man.

So the OWG was formed by feeble and unpersuasive people? Something about this doesn't seem to add up.

QUOTE]Why can't you see that the Jewish State of Israel will be no more after the forthcoming terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath?
[/QUOTE]

What about what Zecharaiah states concerning those who still refuse to go up to Jerusalem after the Day of the Lord? He says they will get a good smiting, they won't get rain, etc. Why is he making everyone go to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles then, but not now? Does it make sense for those who can't or won't celebrate the Lord's feast days today, to then begin to celebrate them after he returns? Why not just celebrate them now as well?

Is it because they're really just party poopers?

 

[shnarkle]

And you didn't even spell "sentence" correctly when you criticized him.

It was probably an intentional misspelling to let others know that his observations weren't coming from a position of superiority. What I don't understand is why whatever I write automatically corrects spelling errors. When will this start happening with punctuation.

 

[Keraz]

So the OWG was formed by feeble and unpersuasive people? Something about this doesn't seem to add up.

No; the OWG will be established by all the survivors of the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, excepting for the faithful Christians who will form their own nation in all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16,
This scenario is well prophesied, God's promises to His faithful people, from every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 5:10, 7:9, +. WILL take place and they will be the people God always wanted in His Land, but has never yet had. Isaiah 49:8-13, Zechariah 8:1-8, Romans 9:24-26

 

[shilohsfoal]

In other words Keras believes he is Israel.He cant understand the dirrerence between those who are of Israel .

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:

And those who are of the nations.

Revelation 7:9 After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

He cant believe God could chose 144,000 Israelis and give them the kingdom he promised thousands of years ago.He believes God has chosen him to recieve that land.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Personally,I believe the mark of the beast is not worldwide.Insted I believe it to be a local event in Israel taken by all those who followed after the Israeli goverment.We will soon see if my thoughts are correct or not.Im expecting it to take place within the next couple of years and may be associated with Trumps peaceplan.I believe even after the Israelis are recieving the mark of thier goverment most people would refuse to believe it is the mark of the beast because they believe it to be worldwide.

I believe the 144000 in Revelation to be the remnant which God has chosen and they overcome .

Revelation 3:12 KJV: Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

 

[shnarkle]

No; the OWG will be established by all the survivors of the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath,[/ QUOTE]

From your description, it doesn't appear to me that the Lord's fiery wrath is anything that one needs to be concerned with if they can survive it.

For all practical intents and purposes, we already have a one world banking system; one which may soon be overthrown, or at the very least in competition with those who are abandoning the dollar as the world's reserve currency. Again, a world reserve currency is what allows everyone to buy and sell. These banking cartels are what allow everyone to buy and sell. They force the world to use the petrodollar, and they collect a commission on every transaction. This is the antithesis of God's laws contained in the Mosaic law. It's fraud, plain and simple, and it's been going on for decades.

Given this history, what sense does it make for there to be yet another one world monetary system when the one we have is Satanic to the core?

 

[Keraz]

No; the OWG will be established by all the survivors of the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath,[/ QUOTE Keraz]

[Quote shnarkle] From your description, it doesn't appear to me that the Lord's fiery wrath is anything that one needs to be concerned with if they can survive it.

For all practical intents and purposes, we already have a one world banking system; one which may soon be overthrown, or at the very least in competition with those who are abandoning the dollar as the world's reserve currency. Again, a world reserve currency is what allows everyone to buy and sell. These banking cartels are what allow everyone to buy and sell. They force the world to use the petrodollar, and they collect a commission on every transaction. This is the antithesis of God's laws contained in the Mosaic law. It's fraud, plain and simple, and it's been going on for decades.

Given this history, what sense does it make for there to be yet another one world monetary system when the one we have is Satanic to the core? [Quote shnarkle]

Keraz says: Billions will die on the Day the Lord sends His fiery punishment onto the earth. Isaiah 66:15-17, Jeremiah 25:30-33 But it will affect the Middle East region most. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 1:18
But we Christians are told to: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13
Also we are told to find shelter for that 24 hour period. Isaiah 26:20-21

Things will be very different after that Day, when people will throw away their treasure; Isaiah 2:20, and money will be worthless.

 

[shnarkle]

No; the OWG will be established by all the survivors of the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath,[/ QUOTE Keraz]

[Quote shnarkle] From your description, it doesn't appear to me that the Lord's fiery wrath is anything that one needs to be concerned with if they can survive it.

For all practical intents and purposes, we already have a one world banking system; one which may soon be overthrown, or at the very least in competition with those who are abandoning the dollar as the world's reserve currency. Again, a world reserve currency is what allows everyone to buy and sell. These banking cartels are what allow everyone to buy and sell. They force the world to use the petrodollar, and they collect a commission on every transaction. This is the antithesis of God's laws contained in the Mosaic law. It's fraud, plain and simple, and it's been going on for decades.

Given this history, what sense does it make for there to be yet another one world monetary system when the one we have is Satanic to the core? [Quote shnarkle]

Keraz says: Billions will die on the Day the Lord sends His fiery punishment onto the earth. Isaiah 66:15-17, Jeremiah 25:30-33 But it will affect the Middle East region most. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Romans 1:18
But we Christians are told to: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13
Also we are told to find shelter for that 24 hour period. Isaiah 26:20-21

Things will be very different after that Day, when people will throw away their treasure; Isaiah 2:20, and money will be worthless.

For some reason you seem to not be reading what I'm posting. Are you claiming that this one world government is going to be set up after Christ's return; after he obliterates billions of evil people, but leaves some to set up a one world government, as well as a one world financial ponzi scheme like the one we already heave now? This doesn't add up.

Why do you think Christ would return to obliterate evil people with his wrath, but then leave some to set up a one world government? Did he run out of wrath?

 

[Enoch111]

Personally,I believe the mark of the beast is not worldwide.

Well in that case you are not allowing Scripture to be the final criterion. Kindly read and study Revelation 13 carefully:

WORLDWIDE WORSHIP OF SATAN AND THE ANTICHRIST
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?...8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

WORLDWIDE POWER GIVEN TO THE ANTICHRIST
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

WORLDWIDE APPLICATION OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed... 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Well in that case you are not allowing Scripture to be the final criterion. Kindly read and study Revelation 13 carefully:

WORLDWIDE WORSHIP OF SATAN AND THE ANTICHRIST
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?...8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

WORLDWIDE POWER GIVEN TO THE ANTICHRIST
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

WORLDWIDE APPLICATION OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed... 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

You didnt need to quote any of that.I have it all,memorized.But I understand what the beast is and who worships it.
Like i said.Israelis will recieve the mark,of thier goverment which they have followed from around the world.
Theres only a couple more years till its ready.

The Israelis who,overcome shall,recieve the name of thier father in thier foreheads.

 

[Keraz]

For some reason you seem to not be reading what I'm posting. Are you claiming that this one world government is going to be set up after Christ's return; after he obliterates billions of evil people, but leaves some to set up a one world government, as well as a one world financial ponzi scheme like the one we already heave now? This doesn't add up.

Why do you think Christ would return to obliterate evil people with his wrath, but then leave some to set up a one world government? Did he run out of wrath?

I read what you say, but I disagree with it.

The OWG will be established soon after the Lord's Day of fiery wrath has changed the world and made it necessary to have a OWG in order to regain law and order, trade, communications, etc. About 10 to 15 years BEFORE Jesus Returns.

The main effect of this forthcoming terrible Day of earthquakes, storms, extreme heat, and tsunamis, will be the virtual depopulation of the Middle East. Hosea 4:3, Joel 1:13-20, Jeremiah 10:18, 12:14
For the rest of the world, it will be survivable but many will die, especially in coastal areas that will be inundated by the oceans sloshing from side to side. Isaiah 13:13, Jeremiah 51:55, Amos 9:6