Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

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marks

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Of course, but we are given the power of God to never break them, and even to be more righteous than those who only keep Torah perfectly. That is what Jesus did for us.

This is really the bottom line for me. Saying that we keep the Law is selling ourselves short. Why just keep the Law? Why not live the true and full righteousness of God?

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Um, yes...of course I know where Jesus two commands came from!! And, I pretty much said the same as you (more or less) only with fewer words...the TWO commands Jesus gave has the rest of the commandments (TEN) hanging from them when fulfilled...He even raised the bar on a few things! The ten Commandments are pointing us (CHRISTIANS) to what sin is to God. Doorposts, tassels for the forehead are something YOU were never invited to...you seem to think that when God spoke in the Old Covenant that He was directing everything to everybody...wrong, it was for the Israelite's to distinguish them from GENTILES.
I never mentioned anything "lovey dovey". The kind of love God want's from us to one another is Agape, and yes I know what that means in action. Nothing lovey dovey about it. See a need? Fill it.
Of course, we're also to have the lovey dovey feelings too. No sterile love ours!

. . . and to godliness, add brotherly kindness . . . affection for others . . . Love we feel.

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Nope, that's not what I mean at all. There's no hiding behind grace. IOW, we don't sin because we are under grace. Anyone who thinks this way doesn't understand grace, which is God's saving and sustaining power.

The righteousness I'm talking about is the righteousness of God imputed to us when we are born again. I hesitate to get into this because there's a whole thread about it.

We obey Jesus because we love Him!
Oh, come on! It's all one big discussion anyway, right?

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The Torah is not limited to just the ten commandments, it is the entire first 5 books of the bible. Outward appearance does matter, because even aside from commands regarding tzitzit and tefillin, a man is commanded to not dress as a woman. Clearly outward appearance matters, because not all the commands of God are only regarding the heart, but also regarding what we do, and what we wear. You have no understanding of the truth, and are therefore also as torahless as these other people, masqueraded under a false wisdom.
In regards to cross gendered clothing, Do you it's because God only approves of dresses on women, or because God wants us all to be who He made us? Is it truly about what we look like, or what we are doing inside?

Which defiles us, what is outside, or what is inside?

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I've been reading all your posts in this thread. You continue to divide the Law into the part you think you must keep and the part you think you don't need to keep.

Where do you find taught in Scripture that you can just section the Law this way, considering that the Bible says straight out that if you break one, you break all, being a lawbreaker?

Who has the right to declare some Law valid, and other Law invalid?

Much love!

The apostles did, because they had the anointing. "Let no one judge you be food, drink, feasts, new moons, or shabbaths, because these were all shadows of realities found in the Messiah".
 

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I find it comical that you think I came to obey the entire Torah and get rid of paper money and fiat currency just to resurrect my grandmother from the dead. Haha. Certainly it is a desire in my heart, and whether God grants me this desire or not, is up to him. But no, I didn't come all this way to resurrect my grandmother that died over a decade ago. The Messiah instructed that we obey the Torah, so I obey the Torah. If you were smart, you would also obey the Torah. Obeying the Torah is not arrogance, it is obedience. I desire to actually be saved, so that is why I go to great lengths to insure that I am in perfect obedience of all the commands of God, hence "be perfect, just as the Father is perfect". I advise you do this same, and stop deceiving yourself into believing that you don't have to obey the Torah, and that somehow you've attained the anointing while in your continual torahlessness. You are a false anointed one and woman of torahlessness. You remind me of those megachurch pastors who pray for someone's cold to go away, and when it does through ordinary circumstances, they claim that a miracle happened and that God listens to their prayers. They make themselves believe that they have power, just like those who speak in fake tongues, speaking jibberish. Idiots.

I'm not sure why you don't get what I'm saying, but those of the New Covenant not only keep the Old Testament royal laws of God, but the deeper laws of Jesus, and yet you think that is being torahless? You still are not listening, let alone comprehending. That is because it is spiritually discerned, and you are still carnal, thus thinking the things of God are foolishness, so you mock. This is why your prayers are not answered. Keep it up, and you will be like a hamster running in circles, never getting anywhere.
 
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Hi CL,

That's if it was the same thing. I get the idea that Paul would modify his behavior to suit those he was evangelizing, while Peter changed his behavior for personal reasons.

The Jews in Jerusalem with James were very zealous to keep the Law, and I'm thinking Peter knew that.

Timothy was circumcised so that the unsaved wouldn't have a problem with it. Titus was not circumcised just to suit the saved who had a problem with it.

That's my take, anyway!

Much love!

I never read that it was for personal reasons. But even it if was, Paul should have taken care of it with Peter privately, not gossiped about it in a letter.
 

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The Messiah said, "I did not come to abolish the Torah" and "it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one jot or one tittle of the Torah to pass away". The Torah is still binding. You have been deceived.
Of course He did not come to abolish the Law!!! He came to FULFILL it. Because WE could NEVER DO IT. I don't care how many ceremonial Jewish boxes you have on your head, or your doorposts, or what you wear, eat...and guess what...neither does God. I am free indeed.
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It seems clear, that @CharismaticLady's experience is that the Lord answers her prayers; while @gaviria.christian testifies that he does not have such an anointing as this.

Not even Jesus, in His lifetime, raised people from out of being reduced to ashes.

It is therefore the uttermost foolishness to require @CharismaticLady to perform such a miracle in order to prove her claim that the Lord answers her prayers.

Likely, your grandmother would have been raised as the result of her prayers, and then you would have taken the credit for it (from what I hear you saying).

Of course, Jesus did say that we would do greater works than He did, who would believe on Him.

But there are also deceiving miracles that will be performed in the last days (Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:9, Revelation 16:13-14) to bear witness to falsehoods that will not be in accordance with the gospel of Jesus Christ.
This isn't about trying to show off our magical powers. Putting God to the test. Prove You are here/I'm annointed/whatever and Raise My Dead!
 
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Of course He did not come to abolish the Law!!! He came to FULFILL it. Because WE could NEVER DO IT. I don't care how many ceremonial Jewish boxes you have on your head, or your doorposts, or what you wear, eat...and guess what...neither does God. I am free indeed.
Gods Blessings
He came to abolish the enmity that the law creates between God and man, Ephesians 2:15-16 (kjv).
 
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I never read that it was for personal reasons. But even it if was, Paul should have taken care of it with Peter privately, not gossiped about it in a letter.

Hi CL,

Galatians 2:12
"For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision."

Since this is a declaration within a narrative, I take it as truth. Peter was afraid of the Law-keeping Jews, so he stopped eating with the gentiles when they were there, even influencing others the same way.

I'm thinking God wanted to make a deal out of it.

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Hi CL,

Galatians 2:12
"For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision."

Since this is a declaration within a narrative, I take it as truth. Peter was afraid of the Law-keeping Jews, so he stopped eating with the gentiles when they were there, even influencing others the same way.

I'm thinking God wanted to make a deal out of it.

Much love!

Mark, I see your point, but Paul circumcised Timothy for the very same reason. It was truth for Paul, but it was still a trespass against Peter. Not everything that Paul says in his letters were from God. He admits this himself in 1 Corinthians 7, and I've seen this problem in one of his letters to Timothy also.
 

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So then all else is binding?

Yes, what else binds us???! lol.

"Christ is the culmination of the law” (Romans 10:4). The predictions of the Prophets concerning the Messiah would be realized in Jesus; the holy standard of the Law would be perfectly upheld by Christ, the strict requirements personally obeyed, and the ceremonial observances finally and fully satisfied."

So then, all of these outward things our friend does is for naught because they too were "shadows"! :)

What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it? | GotQuestions.org
 
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In regards to cross gendered clothing, Do you it's because God only approves of dresses on women, or because God wants us all to be who He made us? Is it truly about what we look like, or what we are doing inside?

Which defiles us, what is outside, or what is inside?

Much love!

The exterior is a reflection of the interior. Both matter.