Estimated Dates of the Events of the 1 Year Great Tribulation of the Earth

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He did. Whoever sets aside the least of these commands will be called least in the kingdom of the heavens, because the Messiah will rule by the words of the Torah, hence, "and the Torah shall go forth from Mount Zion".

Those were HIS commandments for the New Covenant, not the old commandments. That was from the Sermon on the Mount. He was teaching laws that will be written on the heart, not on stone.
 

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Those were HIS commandments for the New Covenant, not the old commandments. That was from the Sermon on the Mount. He was teaching laws that will be written on the heart, not on stone.

No, it was the commands of the Torah. That is why in the previous verse it says,

For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Torah until all is fulfilled. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:18-19

and many peoples shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Yehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the Torah, and the word of Yehovah from Jerusalem.
Isaiah 2:3

You are a false believer and an imposter. You believe and teach torahlessness.
 

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They are still, in, the kingdom of heaven.

And they will be cursed for disobeying even the least of the commands, because sinners will still exist in the 1,000 year rulership of the Messiah, hence,

No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isaiah 65:20
 

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And they will be cursed for disobeying even the least of the commands, because sinners will still exist in the 1,000 year rulership of the Messiah, hence,

No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isaiah 65:20
The kingdom of heaven does not refer to the millennial kingdom. It refers to when we shall ever be with the Lord in heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).
 

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The kingdom of heaven does not refer to the millennial kingdom. It refers to when we shall ever be with the Lord in heaven.

No one goes to heaven. The people of God are appointed to live and rule on this earth for 1,000 years with the Messiah, then live on the new earth, in the New Jerusalem when it descends on the new earth.
 

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The Messiah pointed fingers at the Pharisees, and he was blameless.

You are not the Messiah.

No one goes to heaven. The people of God are appointed to live and rule on this earth for 1,000 years with the Messiah, then live on the new earth, in the New Jerusalem when it descends on the new earth.

See Colossians 1:4, 1 Peter 1:4.

But why am I trying to convince you of something so unimportant compared to the fact that you have rejected Jesus' sacrifice so that you can attempt to enter in to the kingdom through the power of your works and keeping of the law?

For these things are mutually exclusive. If you are going to enter in through your works, you are not relying on what Christ did for you on the Cross.

But I suspect that in the final end, you are going to attempt to claim to be the real Messiah instead of Jesus.

For that reason, I do not see that there is much hope for you.
 

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You are not the Messiah.



See Colossians 1:4, 1 Peter 1:4.

But why am I trying to convince you of something so unimportant compared to the fact that you have rejected Jesus' sacrifice so that you can attempt to enter in to the kingdom through the power of your works and keeping of the law?

For these things are mutually exclusive. If you are going to enter in through your works, you are not relying on what Christ did for you on the Cross.

But I suspect that in the final end, you are going to attempt to claim to be the real Messiah instead of Jesus.

For that reason, I do not see that there is much hope for you.

Why would I ever attempt to claim to be the Messiah? I gotta hear this one, maybe I'll share this absurdity in my next class.
 

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Why would I ever attempt to claim to be the Messiah? I gotta hear this one, maybe I'll share this absurdity in my next class.
Because your doctrine is so out there, the only way anyone would ever receive it would be if you actually were the Messiah.

You are probably the only person in all the world who believes what you believe; so you would have to have a Messiah complex in there somewhere...
 

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Because your doctrine is so out there, the only way anyone would ever receive it would be if you actually were the Messiah.

You are probably the only person in all the world who believes what you believe; so you would have to have a Messiah complex in there somewhere...

I'm not the only person in the world that teaches obedience to the Torah. Have you never heard of "Jews"? Have you never heard of "Messianics"? Hello?
 

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Jews and Messianics generally don't go to Christian websites trying to get Christians to go back under the law.

They at least have the sense to see that there is a superiority to the Christian faith; in that the Holy Spirit is at work among Christians.

On a slightly separate note. I wanted to mention this passage:

Gal 3:1, O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2, This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3, Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4, Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Gal 3:5, He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6, Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
 

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Because you teach that you will receive the anointing once you begin to keep the law perfectly.
 

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Covenant and Torah are two distinct things. God established a covenant with the earth, through Noah, which pertains to all of us, because we live on the earth that God promised he will never flood again, and through that covenant a new command was given, "you shall not eat blood". That command still pertains to us under the new covenant of the Messiah. And so in likewise manner the commands given through Moses, through the covenant that was established through him still pertain to us. For the new covenant of the Messiah did not abolish the commands given through Moses, he merely replaced the old covenant with a new covenant, established with better promises and greater righteousness, and made changes to the Torah.

Do you really think that you can "work" your way to The Father, because all you do is (seemingly) depend solely on your keeping of Jewish Laws from the OT. Why can't you except that we are now living in a NEW COVENANT which means a huge change in all things. It also gives us the LAST "High Priest"...Jesus Christ. If your focus is on nothing but what YOU do, then it is not at all on The Christ. I pray for you to see the freedom in Christ because He did not die for nothing!
 

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This coming from the person saying we should build arks if we obey the Torah. I might use that logic in one of my next classes to show everyone in class how truly stupid the torahless are in finding stupid reasons to discard it.
Build arks? I have no idea what you are talking about.
 

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No, it was the commands of the Torah. That is why in the previous verse it says,

For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Torah until all is fulfilled. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:18-19

and many peoples shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Yehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the Torah, and the word of Yehovah from Jerusalem.
Isaiah 2:3

You are a false believer and an imposter. You believe and teach torahlessness.

Matthew 5 is the Sermon on the Mount.
 
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Do you really think that you can "work" your way to The Father, because all you do is (seemingly) depend solely on your keeping of Jewish Laws from the OT. Why can't you except that we are now living in a NEW COVENANT which means a huge change in all things. It also gives us the LAST "High Priest"...Jesus Christ. If your focus is on nothing but what YOU do, then it is not at all on The Christ. I pray for you to see the freedom in Christ because He did not die for nothing!

Obedience is required.