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[amadeus]

Well Jude 3 for starters, and Revelation officially closed the era of special Revelation.

Does God Still Give Revelation?

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"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3

I don't see your conclusion clearly expressed in that verse. It might be used along with other things to support your conclusion, but it is not clear enough for me to call it 'proof'.

As for the Book of Revelation you have to be more specific as to where it says it is all done. I haven't seen that.

I went to your link and after reading through a several paragraphs concerned with saying effectively that certain big name preachers and teachers were charlatans, it said no more than you have about there being no more "special" revelations.

After reading about 3 or 4 such men, I quit as it was lengthy with nothing stated to that point but unsupported beliefs or opinions. Those men mentioned in the link may be charlatans or they may be men of God. I don't know, but even if they are that alone doesn't mean God has stopped revealing new things. I have never met those men them or even heard the messages they preach myself. If there were more scriptures with specific information on one side of the issue or the other I had not come to them but was unwilling to spend more time hoping to see it.

Perhaps you have more information or some proof that what you call special revelations ended with the last writing in the Bible. If it is simply your belief, that's OK with me. Without more than that I stand where I do with the Way to more of the truth still open.

 

[mjrhealth]

And how do you know of Christ outside of Scripture?

Because

Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
but a man without His spirit without Christ is a man with no revelation.

Still setting limits on God, man loves bringing God down to His level. Who created who in whos image???

 

[mjrhealth]

If that were true, God would find nobody. There are none righteous, there are none that seek after God.

Juts because you dont, doesnt mean there are not others that do. You seek after knowledge we seek the truth in Christ. thats the big difference.

 

[reformed1689]

Juts because you dont, doesnt mean there are not others that do. You seek after knowledge we seek the truth in Christ. thats the big difference.

You realize, again, I was quoting Scripture right? Those were not my words.

 

[reformed1689]

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"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3

I don't see your conclusion clearly expressed in that verse. It might be used along with other things to support your conclusion, but it is not clear enough for me to call it 'proof'.

As for the Book of Revelation you have to be more specific as to where it says it is all done. I haven't seen that.

I went to your link and after reading through a several paragraphs concerned with saying effectively that certain big name preachers and teachers were charlatans, it said no more than you have about there being no more "special" revelations.

After reading about 3 or 4 such men, I quit as it was lengthy with nothing stated to that point but unsupported beliefs or opinions. Those men mentioned in the link may be charlatans or they may be men of God. I don't know, but even if they are that alone doesn't mean God has stopped revealing new things. I have never met those men them or even heard the messages they preach myself. If there were more scriptures with specific information on one side of the issue or the other I had not come to them but was unwilling to spend more time hoping to see it.

Perhaps you have more information or some proof that what you call special revelations ended with the last writing in the Bible. If it is simply your belief, that's OK with me. Without more than that I stand where I do with the Way to more of the truth still open.

Do not add to this book or take away from this book.

 

[reformed1689]

Thats all you do with no understanding even the devil can qoute scripture and does. his work is all over this forum.

How about interacting with the Scripture I quoted. I doubt you even realized it was Scripture when you read it based on your response to me. You can't refute it so you immediately lump me with the devil. That's telling....

 

[reformed1689]

so he changed to not believing that God speaks 'today'.

Now, most cessationists do not hold that God does not speak today, but we do hold that he does not speak the SAME way today as he did then.

 

[amadeus]

Do not add to this book or take away from this book.

Even so...

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:" Rev 22:18

However, it says "if any man shall add". If a man hears from God directly as did the men who God inspired to write the words of the Bible, would that not be God Himself adding? Surely God could say something new? Has He ever said that He would not? When a person claims to have heard directly from God, you certainly may doubt the man, but that hardly proves that he is lying, does it?

 

[Jenniferdiana3637]

There is wisdom in you words, sister, but don't expect everyone to turn around.

Its ok..I realize everyday there's nothing to it but just when I think I made a friend it's only another enemy I gain.. lol just when I think things are getting better it gets ten times worst then before....which is why I lean on Christ alone and not people who will cause me to stumble and fall each time ..in Christ alone I gather my strength...as long as I know who I am in him...that's all that matters...I don't hate anyone but if you can appreciate it if give me the benefit of the doubt..then leave it alone and simply move on to something you actually believe in ... because I don't have time for it..to be judged insulted and mistreated by people for no apparent reason at all...it's a waste of my time and breath...i aint got time for that..if people don't believe me..then they need to go take it to the Lord and worry about thier own salvation and not my business or personal life or relationship with the Lord..they need to go look at themselves and worry about thier own salvation cause obviously I am not wanted or needed..I'm a liar and don't tell the truth....

 

[Jenniferdiana3637]

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"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3

I don't see your conclusion clearly expressed in that verse. It might be used along with other things to support your conclusion, but it is not clear enough for me to call it 'proof'.

As for the Book of Revelation you have to be more specific as to where it says it is all done. I haven't seen that.

I went to your link and after reading through a several paragraphs concerned with saying effectively that certain big name preachers and teachers were charlatans, it said no more than you have about there being no more "special" revelations.

After reading about 3 or 4 such men, I quit as it was lengthy with nothing stated to that point but unsupported beliefs or opinions. Those men mentioned in the link may be charlatans or they may be men of God. I don't know, but even if they are that alone doesn't mean God has stopped revealing new things. I have never met those men them or even heard the messages they preach myself. If there were more scriptures with specific information on one side of the issue or the other I had not come to them but was unwilling to spend more time hoping to see it.

Perhaps you have more information or some proof that what you call special revelations ended with the last writing in the Bible. If it is simply your belief, that's OK with me. Without more than that I stand where I do with the Way to more of the truth still open.

The Lord has no reason to reveal his mysteries and secrets to anyone unless it was relevant to them or concerned them..the Lord is not slow to keeping his promises and who he can trust....

 

[Jenniferdiana3637]

David , 1 corinthians 2:9

 

[reformed1689]

However, it says "if any man shall add". If a man hears from God directly as did the men who God inspired to write the words of the Bible, would that not be God Himself adding? Surely God could say something new? Has He ever said that He would not? When a person claims to have heard directly from God, you certainly may doubt the man, but that hardly proves that he is lying, does it?

Here's the problem. How are we to verify it? How are we to know they have heard directly from God? Should we put their "word from God" in the next updated translation of the Bible?

I believe this verse is telling us God closed the canon. It is done, perfected. There is nothing else needed. So why should we give any credence to someone who says they have a new message from God?

 

[Giuliano]

Do not add to this book or take away from this book.

"This book" refers to the Book of Revelation itself, not to the 66 books of the Bible. The Bible did not exist then as "one book."

Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[amadeus]

Here's the problem. How are we to verify it? How are we to know they have heard directly from God? Should we put their "word from God" in the next updated translation of the Bible?

I believe this verse is telling us God closed the canon. It is done, perfected. There is nothing else needed. So why should we give any credence to someone who says they have a new message from God?

You don't have verify it.
You may certainly believe that God has closed it all up tight.
You don't need to give any credence to someone who say he has a new message from God.
You can certainly believe that all a man needs to serve God is contained in the written scriptures.

What is faith after all?

So going on along this way, believing it as you do, that is the way you live by faith. Is it possible that while your belief held without doubt may be acceptable to God, that another man, me for example, his belief held also without doubt could also be acceptable to God? Is it not possible that in spite of differences such as yours and mine we two might live and believe in Him and never die?

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" John 11:26

 

[historyb]

Simply having the Bible is Not a final assurance that we are OK with God. We also need to have a more personal connection with Him.

Agreed. God has revealed Himself in many ways, in the very nature He creates. One does not need a Bible for Salvation one needs God and the rest will fall into place

 

[historyb]

This book" refers to the Book of Revelation itself, not to the 66 books of the Bible. The Bible did not exist then as "one book."

Exactly

 

[mjrhealth]

Here's the problem. How are we to verify it? How are we to know they have heard directly from God? Should we put their "word from God" in the next updated translation of the Bible?

Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn_5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

But as long as s you insist ion denying them all you are is.

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

It is Jesus, whom you are leaving out He is teh truth.

Quote scripture all you like, teh devil does that often. proves nothing.

 

[mjrhealth]

It is done, perfected

Ye which one of the over 44 canons is the right one, seems no one can tell me, we only have one God one Jesus one truth, which of the 44 different variations of the truth is the truth, ?Asked that question many times people just quote the bible they like, its not the word that is closed its mens hearts.

 

[mjrhealth]

Now, most cessationists do not hold that God does not speak today, but we do hold that he does not speak the SAME way today as he did then.

Thats because He gave us His Spirit. Remember pentecost.

 

[bbyrd009]

I have never argued anything different and completely agree. But, the idea that we can gain knowledge of the attributes of God outside of what is revealed of his power and majesty in nature anywhere but Scripture is utterly false.

believe it or not what is translated as "Scripture" to us now is not what Scripture meant back then; Paul said All Writings are good for... and even makes many references to extra-Biblical Works? Somethingsomething graphe gramme...
γραφω | Abarim Publications Theological Dictionary (New Testament Greek) γραμμα bout halfway down the pg
list of Paul's extra-Biblical refs,
paul's extra-biblical references in the bible verse at DuckDuckGo

Remembering that God has never changed [as it is also written], just think about all of those OT people who communicated with God

put yourself in their place even eh