How do you know your saved??

[charity]

The enemies of the cross are those who claim Jesus as their Lamb...for their own sins...but who continue to live for themselves. So these use God and Christ for their OWN SALVATION. And the enemies of the cross see nothing wrong with this selfish use of God and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

But Jesus calls us to follow Him...not use Him. They who seek to just use Him...are the enemies of the cross. These refuse so give up their lives...instead are looking to save themselves intact through a religious belief in Jesus as their saviour.

'For this cause we also,
since the day we heard it,
do not cease to pray for you,
.. and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of His will
.... in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
...... That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing,
........ being fruitful in every good work,
.......... and increasing in the knowledge of God;
............ Strengthened with all might,
.............. according to His glorious power,
................ unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
Giving thanks unto the Father,
.. Which Hath made us meet
.... to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
...... Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
........ and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through His blood,
even the forgiveness of sins:'
(Colossians 1:9)

Hello Episkopos,

Thank you for responding to my post. I do not find it easy to follow your reasoning here, but thank you for expressing it.

In Colossians chapter one, Paul prays for the believers at Colosse that they would walk worthy of the Lord, be fruitful in every good work, and increase in the knowledge of God, be strenthened with all might, according to His glorious might, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness. What follows is thanksgiving to the Father, why?

' ... which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through His blood,
even the forgiveness of sins:'

* This is something which has been done for the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, the words used are, 'hath' and 'have'. To deny these certainties is to deny the truth, surely? For it is written!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Episkopos]

' ... which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness,
and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through His blood,
even the forgiveness of sins:'

* This is something which has been done for the believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, the words used are, 'hath' and 'have'. To deny these certainties is to deny the truth, surely? For it is written!

In Christ Jesus

For us...it isn't so much what is written and what can be claimed religiously...but what can be actually experienced. To be translated into the kingdom means we walk in the same perfection as Jesus did....through His life (blood).

 

[charity]

For us...it isn't so much what is written and what can be claimed religiously...but what can be actually experienced. To be translated into the kingdom means we walk in the same perfection as Jesus did....through His life (blood).

* I'm sorry, Episkopos, but - it is written! Experience does not negate the truth. We are His workmanship.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Episkopos]

* I'm sorry, Episkopos, but - it is written! Experience does not negate the truth. We are His workmanship.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

There is a disconnect going on here. Experience shows the truth. God actually visits people in reality and experience. Anyone can read the bible and say...OK now I'm seated in heavenly places. And why do they do that? Indoctrination and an active imagination. But the bible was not written based on imagination...but experience of God. So by denigrating experience you enter the realm of the make believe. Did John really go up to heaven? Or did he just imagine it?

So just because it is the bible doesn't mean we can pretend to BE where the testimonies say THEY are...by just believing we also are. That is what fairy tales do. As in...when you wish upon a star...and that is by just make believe NOT experience. An astronaut actually goes to the heavens...by experience.
So what is real? What is reality? What is truth? The truth is in the experiencing the power and life of God. Are we dreamers or actually in fellowship with the real God?

we are to TASTE and SEE the Lord is good...not just imagine it that way.

 

[charity]

[QUOTE="Episkopos, post: 696768, member: 3944"
]There is a disconnect going on here. Experience shows the truth. God actually visits people in reality and experience. Anyone can read the bible and say...OK now I'm seated in heavenly places. And why do they do that? Indoctrination and an active imagination. But the bible was not written based on imagination...but experience of God. So by denigrating experience you enter the realm of the make believe. Did John really go up to heaven? Or did he just imagine it?

So just because it is the bible doesn't mean we can pretend to BE where the testimonies say THEY are...by just believing we also are. That is what fairy tales do. As in...when you wish upon a star...and that is by just make believe NOT experience. An astronaut actually goes to the heavens...by experience.
So what is real? What is reality? What is truth? The truth is in the experiencing the power and life of God. Are we dreamers or actually in fellowship with the real God?

we are to TASTE and SEE the Lord is good...not just imagine it that way.
[/QUOTE]

Hello @Episkopos,

What you are really saying is, by their fruits you shall know them, aren't you?

Listen, brother, do you not think that having known the Lord all these years that I do not understand that God visits people in reality and experience, as you say? He is a living reality in my life, and has been for many years. I do not live in make believe where the things of God are concerned, but I do believe His word. I have the indwelling new nature, which is the possession of every believer, and through that nature the Holy Spirit works in me, and is conforming me into the image of His Son. Though that image will not be perfected until I see Him as He is, for then I will be like Him. He is working in me, for I am His workmanship.

I am not a dreamer, for God has burst all my bubbles, and placed my feet firmly on the foundation of my faith, which is Christ Jesus my Lord. So why don't you come alongside me, and not view me as an enemy because I choose to believe what the Bible tells me. What else am I to believe if not His word. For it was through His word that He saved me, by revealing the gospel concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ to me.

Why do you have to assume that you are right and the rest of the believing community are wrong. Why don't you rather praise God that we all have come to a knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord. We are at different stages of growth, and maybe the fruit of the spirit is taking a while to grow in some, but in the eyes of God we are 'complete', in Christ Jesus His Beloved Son.

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Episkopos]

What you are really saying is, by their fruits you shall know them, aren't you?

Well, actually, um er, ....yes!

 

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[QUOTE="Episkopos, post: 696768, member: 3944"
]There is a disconnect going on here. Experience shows the truth. God actually visits people in reality and experience. Anyone can read the bible and say...OK now I'm seated in heavenly places. And why do they do that? Indoctrination and an active imagination. But the bible was not written based on imagination...but experience of God. So by denigrating experience you enter the realm of the make believe. Did John really go up to heaven? Or did he just imagine it?

So just because it is the bible doesn't mean we can pretend to BE where the testimonies say THEY are...by just believing we also are. That is what fairy tales do. As in...when you wish upon a star...and that is by just make believe NOT experience. An astronaut actually goes to the heavens...by experience.
So what is real? What is reality? What is truth? The truth is in the experiencing the power and life of God. Are we dreamers or actually in fellowship with the real God?

we are to TASTE and SEE the Lord is good...not just imagine it that way.

Hello @Episkopos,

What you are really saying is, by their fruits you shall know them, aren't you?

Listen, brother, do you not think that having known the Lord all these years that I do not understand that God visits people in reality and experience, as you say? He is a living reality in my life, and has been for many years. I do not live in make believe where the things of God are concerned, but I do believe His word. I have the indwelling new nature, which is the possession of every believer, and through that nature the Holy Spirit works in me, and is conforming me into the image of His Son. Though that image will not be perfected until I see Him as He is, for then I will be like Him. He is working in me, for I am His workmanship.

I am not a dreamer, for God has burst all my bubbles, and placed my feet firmly on the foundation of my faith, which is Christ Jesus my Lord. So why don't you come alongside me, and not view me as an enemy because I choose to believe what the Bible tells me. What else am I to believe if not His word. For it was through His word that He saved me, by revealing the gospel concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ to me.

Why do you have to assume that you are right and the rest of the believing community are wrong. Why don't you rather praise God that we all have come to a knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord. We are at different stages of growth, and maybe the fruit of the spirit is taking a while to grow in some, but in the eyes of God we are 'complete', in Christ Jesus His Beloved Son.

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris,

Normally I wouldn't speak this way, but I see the same thing repeating itself as before with others.

Episkopos writes as if he is the only one who knows God and His power, and the rest of us, those who disagree with his teaching, are all fakers knowing nothing. He uses innuendo and pejorative and other ad hominems against those who disagree with him, I think for the reason to take the heat off himself and having to substantiate his claims, and to put people on the defensive.

I have nothing to prove to episkopos, and no desire to do so, not that he is interested anyway, only in either discrediting me by provoking me until I rise to the bait, or bullying me until I shut up and go away, or just put him on ignore no longer seeking of him, again, to substantiate his teaching.

This constant "I'm spiritual you're not" can be wearing, but ignore it. It's completely inconsequential to the discussion. Actually, it just puts empty content instead of meaningful content.

I've decided to attempt this sort of "meta communication" in an effort to raise awareness to these sorts of ploys.

Yes, anyone can read the Bible and say, "I'm seated in heavenly places". And just anyone can come along and say, "Oh no you're not!"
But for whom it is true, it IS true.

Who do you believe? I already know your answer! The Spirit testifies with my spirit, and, I believe, with yours.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

Hi Chris,

Normally I wouldn't speak this way, but I see the same thing repeating itself as before with others.

Episkopos writes as if he is the only one who knows God and His power, and the rest of us, those who disagree with his teaching, are all fakers knowing nothing. He uses innuendo and pejorative and other ad hominems against those who disagree with him, I think for the reason to take the heat off himself and having to substantiate his claims, and to put people on the defensive.

I have nothing to prove to episkopos, and no desire to do so, not that he is interested anyway, only in either discrediting me by provoking me until I rise to the bait, or bullying me until I shut up and go away, or just put him on ignore no longer seeking of him, again, to substantiate his teaching.

This constant "I'm spiritual you're not" can be wearing, but ignore it. It's completely inconsequential to the discussion. Actually, it just puts empty content instead of meaningful content.

I've decided to attempt this sort of "meta communication" in an effort to raise awareness to these sorts of ploys.

Yes, anyone can read the Bible and say, "I'm seated in heavenly places". And just anyone can come along and say, "Oh no you're not!"
But for whom it is true, it IS true.

Who do you believe? I already know your answer! The Spirit testifies with my spirit, and, I believe, with yours.

Much love!

Consider your own behaviour. See that how you judge...that is from your own ways...and look at what you do.

I sometimes address you...not too often...because you can't handle me because I seek after the truth. And that is very intimidating to you and some others. I don't just look at labels...but also the ingredients. I'm a careful shopper.

But what are you so defensive about...and all this attacking? Is that within the pervue of your "much love"? See I see beyond your labels.

So read your own accusations but put your own name in...and you may learn more about the way you are operating.

Do I talk about you behind your back? or do I challenge you directly?

But mainly I ignore your rantings as I find them immature.

 

[Episkopos]

You 2 need to give it up and get back to the Godly priviledge of loving each other

Myname is OLIGOS

I wish. Just responding to some generic slander that seems to pop up with some frequency on the boards.
I don't always respond to these slanders...but sometimes you have to know the times to answer or not...as it says in the bible.

 

[marks]

You 2 need to give it up and get back to the Godly priviledge of loving each other

Myname is OLIGOS

There is much love lacking on this forum, that's for certain!

For myself, yes, I appreciate your concern, and reminders, loving others regardless of who or how they are is very important to me. I love Chris (@charity ) also.

 

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...because you can't handle me because I seek after the truth. And that is very intimidating to you and some others. I don't just look at labels...but also the ingredients. I'm a careful shopper.

These are the sorts of presumptive and "over the boundries" statements which work counter to communication, counter to edification, and counter to love.

"You can't handle me because I seek after truth" Your characterization. "Is very intimidating to you".

More of the same "you" statements.

Please see this.

"Oh, I know you're just intimidated by all this, so you just can't handle it!" You can tell yourself that, or actually respond to the content.

 

[Ezra]

So for your assurance, ask yourself if all your prayers are answered according to 1 John 3:18-24.

so if my prayers are not answered for a cancer patient healing or any other healing i am not saved ?

 

[Ezra]

He assures me I am saved by answering my prayers.

so if a person has a prayer not answered the way they asked. were not saved ?

 

[Ezra]

"LIVING FOR CHRIST is what keeps us saved, and that prayer, as we live for Christ is no indicator of our salvation as we seek His power in our lives for our loved ones, friends and ourselves.

our salvation is kept by the power of God 1 Peter 1:3-5 i am calling her out as it is not scripture . prayer is avery big part of our life .we should pray daily .the Bible does say seek ye the Lord while he may be found call upon him while he is near
Isaiah 55:6 i am tired of seeing scriptures twisted I want to assure you i have full assurance have had for good 25 years if the words says that we may know then i have a know so salvation . yes i am sure this create a fire storm so be it

 

[CharismaticLady]

so if my prayers are not answered for a cancer patient healing or any other healing i am not saved ?

I believe it applies to praying for something for ourselves, that we need to wait on the Lord. And just because you don't wait on the Lord out of not knowing that you should doesn't mean you are not saved. This is more for assurance that you are saved. So if your prayers are answered, you have the assurance that you are keeping the Lord's commandments and are pleasing in His sight. But that would only be important to someone who wants to abide in Jesus as much as they possibly can. There are lukewarm Christians out there that couldn't care less.

 

[CharismaticLady]

so if a person has a prayer not answered the way they asked. were not saved ?

Not necessarily.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

To me it seems like your justifying outright sin in this response. I don't see your purpose of being here if your not going to bring Glory to God.
"In ALL that you do, do to the Glory of God."
You set an ungodly example, to new or younger members, that rebelling against God is acceptable here, and justifying it is acceptable here also.
Your out of control and I wish STAFF here would properly DEAL WITH YOU with a REBUKE.

My name is Oligos

This is quite ridiculous.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

if one does not Know they are saved then they are not saved.

And yet we know many think they are saved and will be told, I never knew you.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So you only have to believe He rose? You don't have to believe and do the smaller things, like believing and trusting what He said about an earthly thing like provision?

Over and over in scripture verifies that salvation is gained by believing. Believing what?
For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
1 Thessalonians 4:14
1 Peter 1:3 literally says our hope comes from Christ's resurrection.
It's the whole basis of Christianity.[/QUOTE]

So you only need to believe He rose again? You don't have to also believe what He said about provision? You only have to believe what He said about living forever. You don't have to believe anything else He said? Do you realize that is completely different than how He dealt with Israel in the desert?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

lol i hear ya he has a problem with everyone he needs to read Romans 6:14

I don't think I meant what you think I meant...