farouk
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A vitally important subject indeed, but also ppl can go round and round, if not convicted of it.Are we going to discuss this or should I move on?
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A vitally important subject indeed, but also ppl can go round and round, if not convicted of it.Are we going to discuss this or should I move on?
I actually have people in my church that believe a person can give god the "finger" so to speak and lose salvation (that is the term they use)Would be v. hard - impossible - to show from Scripture...
Are you willing to show me how that is possible?
Whether or not you agree with my belief doesn't change the facts of what it I believe.You said you believe a person can return their gift.
I gave some scripture and reasons why I disagree with this thinking
Are we going to discuss this or should I move on?
I guess that to regard salvation as so light a matter in the first place can shows examples of easy believism, so called.I actually have people in my church that believe a person can give god the "finger" so to speak and lose salvation (that is the term they use)
while I disagree with them losing salvation. I do agree with them, the end result is they will not be in heaven.
Whether or not you agree with my belief doesn't change the facts of what it I believe.
To be blunt: until you point-blank acknowledge the facts about what I believe (that salvation is a gift), I'm not being understood and I don't a rat's tail about your critiquing things not understood.
This is just gotten too frustrating for the both of us to continue.I never insinuated that I could change your beliefs now did I?
You made a statement that everyone believes salvation is a gift, which is not earned, And I said I disagree. You have yet to even start to prove me wring in this area. you have made it all about you
You said you believe a person can return his gift, and he will not be saved
I said, I agree He will not get to heaven, But not for the same reason.
But you did not want to discuss that, You wanted to prove me wrong about thinking that not everyone thinks salvation is by Grace not works.
yawn
You claim you believe salvation is a gift, Thats your belief. and I have never denied what you think.
I may not agree. (we have not even been abe to go there yet) But I can not nor have I ever said your belief is not your belief, in fact it is quite foolish to think that someone has the right or ability to tell you you do not believe what you do. Especially since I get that from so many people in so many threads. and am sick of it. '
You made a statement, I said I disagree, You have FAILED to even attempt to discuss it. and all you have done is attack.
again, If you do not want to discuss what I think, then let me know and I will move on. I am sick of it
I will say one again
I do not agree with you that everyone thinks we are saved by grace apart from works.
Considering another user said they believe they have to endure to the end, and continue to run the race toearn the reward (salvation) I think I have proven my point
Good day maam. When your ready to sit and talk, let me know.
He said this to people in the tribulation period. That there will be great tribulation such as never seen before or after, he who endures to the end wil be saved (PHYSICALLY) eternal salvation is not in context here
Salvation is not a prise it is a gift. You run to earn a reward. Thats WHY paul said in romans 4 that salvation was not a reward or wage which could be earned..
So your enduring to be saved, and trying to earn a reward. so how can you say you are not trying to earn your salvation by works? You just in one paragraph proved you are trying to earn your salvation did you not?
Did you know that the Great Tribulation could start in as little as 2 years? Are you going to be alive then? What if you will be required to denounce Christ in order to live? Or will you choose to be beheaded in order to save your eternal life?
Yes, however, only His true sheep will be saved. So how do you know you will endure to the end, and not be one of those who leaves, as if they were not one of Christ's in the first place? Didn't they also believe they were saved?
You can say that if you like, but I love Jesus. Think of your wife. Do you stay faithful to her out of love, or because it would cost too much to get a divorce, or you have to work hard not to get caught.
How can you say these things and not believe your trying to earn your salvation..
What?What? So you don't love your wife, and just stay faithful to not get divorced?
What?
what does that have to do with enduring to the end to earn a reward, with running the race to earn a reward, or remaining a sheep?
I like this question. If people are being beheaded for faith, things are so bad across the board, life is not worth living and going to be with the Lord is real release.Did you know that the Great Tribulation could start in as little as 2 years? Are you going to be alive then? What if you will be required to denounce Christ in order to live? Or will you choose to be beheaded in order to save your eternal life?
Yes, however, only His true sheep will be saved. So how do you know you will endure to the end, and not be one of those who leaves, as if they were not one of Christ's in the first place? Didn't they also believe they were saved?
You can say that if you like, but I love Jesus. Think of your wife. Do you stay faithful to her out of love, or because it would cost too much to get a divorce, or you have to work hard not to get caught.
What does this have to do with you preaching you must endure till the end and run the race to earn your salvationTell me what the alternative is? How do you know you are saved? Do you believe everything Jesus said? Do you do everything He said? How do you act? Do you do anything you want, and what is it you want?
Tell me what the alternative is? How do you know you are saved? Do you believe everything Jesus said? Do you do everything He said? How do you act? Do you do anything you want, and what is it you want?
If you believe that salvation is by works (at least in part) then you believe it’s earned (at least in part). Either we are saved by trusting or we are saved by working. Either Christ did it all or else we did some of it. You can’t have it both ways.Cool.
Back to my original statement:
Everyone believe that salvation is a gift from God. Nobody believes it's earned.
Cool.
Sad, as her "christ" isn't the Biblical Christ nor is her "gospel" the Biblical Gospel.and I agree 100%
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No straw man argument here and once again, you can’t have it both ways.This whole thing is a straw man argument.
Everyone believes that salvation is a gift of God and no one can "earn" it. Everyone also believes that if you say you are saved that you acts in life should show some evidence of that. Nobody actually believes in cheap grace (talk only), and nobody believes that man "earns" salvation by works.
never hunger never thirst, live forever never die, have eternal life and be risen
I live my life striving to please god
You use the word "striving" but isn't that "working"? Are you striving with your own will-power?