The myth of grace-only & easy-believism shattered forever

[Eternally Grateful]

It is so much easier to walk in the Spirit, than it is to go back under the flesh and sin. It would be against my new nature.

I agree

so why would I or anyone else chose to walk that way?
And does not John day we don’t? Because we are born of God

 

[CharismaticLady]

You can, if you just show me how your not trying to earn salvation as a reward.

I have yet to see any proof

Here is my analogy of what it is like when our carnal nature is baptized in the Holy Spirit and born again: "It is like being born with the nature of a lion, loving to kill, and having only a taste for blood and fresh meat. But the law says to not kill and only eat grass. Then that lion becomes born again into a divine new creature, a lamb. The lamb never desires to kill and loves to only eat fresh green grass. Therefore that law to not kill and eat only grass is very easy for the lamb, but impossible for the lion." You see, the lamb couldn't kill and eat meat and blood even once. It has no desire to. It is not in their nature. We do what comes naturally: either that of a lion, or that of a lamb. You can’t be both.

Does the lamb eat grass in order to go to heaven; or because he loves grass?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And what did you prove? You proved you have misunderstood me from the beginning, and believe I'm under the law. I'm free from the law, because I'm free from sin - the reason for the law in the first place.

Your grace is unmerited favor - weak.

no Gods Grace is strong,, and if grace is merited favor, well then you just proved my thoughts of you correct

The Spirit of Grace is strong and enables me to be free from sin.

but not strong enough to possibly keep you from sin and falling away thus losing salvation?

Grace isn't a coverup of sin - it is the Spirit of God allowing us to partake of the divine nature of Christ. How can you be like Christ and still sin. Is that becoming like Christ? NO!!! He didn't sin and has given us His Spirit to be like Him. JUST LIKE HIM. He was the first of many brethren - holy. Romans 8:29. Not only freedom from sin, but His power from the gifts of the Spirit.

Never said it was. So who is doing the false accusations now.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I agree

so why would I or anyone else chose to walk that way?
And does not John day we don’t? Because we are born of God

It would be hard to sin after been given the power of God to be like Him. I don't, but it seems people have. Hebrews 10:26-31.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here is my analogy of what it is like when our carnal nature is baptized in the Holy Spirit and born again: "It is like being born with the nature of a lion, loving to kill, and having only a taste for blood and fresh meat. But the law says to not kill and only eat grass. Then that lion becomes born again into a divine new creature, a lamb. The lamb never desires to kill and loves to only eat fresh green grass. Therefore that law to not kill and eat only grass is very easy for the lamb, but impossible for the lion." You see, the lamb couldn't kill and eat meat and blood even once. It has no desire to. It is not in their nature. We do what comes naturally: either that of a lion, or that of a lamb. You can’t be both.

Does the lamb eat grass in order to go to heaven; or because he loves grass?

Using this senerio,

there would be no possible way the lamb could fall into sin and lose salvation, for he would have to turn back into the lion again

so you see my issue?

 

[CharismaticLady]

@Eternally Grateful

Please fix your post #3663

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It would be hard to sin after been given the power of God to be like Him. I don't, but it seems people have. Hebrews 10:26-31.

If they have, then did they overpower grace? And does it not mean they failed to strive to be like Christ?

again, you talk of them like it will never happen for you, what makes you better than them?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Using this senerio,

there would be no possible way the lamb could fall into sin and lose salvation, for he would have to turn back into the lion again

so you see my issue?

So why do you "strive" to eat grass if you are a lamb?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Be back later...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful

Please fix your post #3663

Done please respond

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So why do you "strive" to eat grass if you are a lamb?

I am not striving to eat grass

I am striving to produce fruit and become like God, it does not happen automatically, if it did, we would all be christlike immediately

you never answered my question, how did the lamb revert back to be a lion?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Bread of Life putting us all right again. It must be lovely to be perfect.

Nope - just showing you that YOU aren't perfect.
We ALL have sin - and that's what Scripture teaches us.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Ok,

so you have free will. So now what.

what if you fail?

Hardly anyone who has been truly born again fails. Problem is, there are not many examples of those who have been truly born again for you to examine. It seems you relate to those who have not been born again and who have to strive for they do not have the Spirit of God indwelling them. There are more of those than there are of the children of God. I was one of the unsaved pseudo-Christians for the first 30 years of my life. Striving is pretending. Striving is going against your carnal nature. Striving is forcing yourself to be good against your will.

It would take a lot for a child of God to willfully sin against God. It would be apostasy. But the normal child of God could not. It would be completely against their new divine nature. Paul implies they could go all the way back to perdition, even though they had been sanctified. They have trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace.

Now the just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”

39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

I know you probably believe in OSAS, but there are passages that go against that liberal theory. This is one where a soul having been sanctified, has gone back to the path to hell.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I am not striving to eat grass

I am striving to produce fruit and become like God, it does not happen automatically, if it did, we would all be christlike immediately

you never answered my question, how did the lamb revert back to be a lion?

Actually, that is what I am doing. Aren't you one of those who doesn't believe in sinlessness? Have I been mistaken about you. If so, then I am sorry. Why do you want to be Christ-like?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Using this senerio,

there would be no possible way the lamb could fall into sin and lose salvation, for he would have to turn back into the lion again

so you see my issue?

That is what I have been saying. It would be against your new nature to go back. It is easier to just walk in the Spirit. But Hebrews 10:26-39 was written for that person who willfully sins.

 

[CharismaticLady]

If they have, then did they overpower grace? And does it not mean they failed to strive to be like Christ?

again, you talk of them like it will never happen for you, what makes you better than them?

Overpower grace? Grace is the Spirit of God. Paul has given us the command to not quench the Spirit. That should answer your first question.

I was one of the special ones who had to bear trials and learned strict obedience through 13 years of suffering. God delivered me from the point of being murdered. I can now walk a tightrope without stumbling to my death.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I am not striving to eat grass

I am striving to produce fruit and become like God, it does not happen automatically, if it did, we would all be christlike immediately

you never answered my question, how did the lamb revert back to be a lion?

I couldn't get on this site for hours. They must have been updating this site in this area.

 

[FollowHim]

I am not striving to eat grass

I am striving to produce fruit and become like God, it does not happen automatically, if it did, we would all be christlike immediately

you never answered my question, how did the lamb revert back to be a lion?

Luke 13:24
Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Philippians 3:14
I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 1:29
For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me.

Hebrews 12:4
You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin;

Romans 15:30
Now I urge you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me

Our fruit comes from abiding in Christ, as it is the word of God producing Gods work alive in our hearts.
And Jesus does imply this actually does happen automatically if we abide in Christ, His word and walk in His ways.

Reflecting on my own life, I realise it is actually as I am changed, and my heart matures I see Gods will and the way I should go.
Paul implies in Christ we can only strive according to His power. It is His work within us that teaches and dictates how we work and move.
Jesus said His people are like the wind, you feel it but do not know where it is going.

"Be still and know that I am God" for me sums up our place in Jesus. It is not the number of things we do, but that things we do are in His will.
God bless you

 

[FollowHim]

I agree

so why would I or anyone else chose to walk that way?
And does not John day we don’t? Because we are born of God

The reality is we can walk away which is part of our freedom in Him.
And some do, for whatever reason.

But the reason why this freedom to walk is such a problem is because of the failure to walk in Jesus's love and life.
I watched a documentary on Dominican monks. I could never live like them. They have no debate or discussion or expression, it is a complete evasion of the emotional beauty of the openness of communion and fellowship. The ascetic idea of no life creates a holy walk is the opposite of love being victorious in our hearts. If one was blind deaf and dumb is this the ideal of perfection because sin against another is almost impossible.

It strikes me for centuries people have been striving for exclusion rather than inclusion and victory in relationship and mutual encouragement and appreciation. But then these monks dedicated their lives to being scribes 6 hours a day through their adult lives. It is ironic with modern technology this role no longer exists. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

I'm sure @Eternally Grateful loves this, but I see it as just sad. That isn't God's grace at all. So you can sin and grace covers it? Is that God's perfect will for you - to still sin? Is that why Jesus died? So you can keep sinning under the curse of Adam? Is that the freedom in Him, freedom to sin? Don't you know that is the sin of the Nicolaitans that God HATES?

The law came because of transgressions until Christ came. Galatians 3:19. And you believe Jesus took away the law so they can sin without punishment. That is sick. At least your father had the fear of the Lord.

Old Covenant vs. New Covenant
You: Law vs. Lawlessness
Me: Law vs. the Power of the Holy Spirit to be holy

Never said that, but grace did one thing it made allowance for the imperfect, seems everyone loves to boast of perfection and so have no need of grace.

It is by grace by faith....