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Abiding in Christ, is not something you can do, of yourself.
See, You can't take your Spirit and control it.
Understand?
So, to abide in Christ is to do this SPIRITUALLY....as its your born again SPIRIT that is IN Christ that abides.
Not your body. Not your mind..but your SPIRIT, the born again part of you, is what ABIDES.
Now you can walk in the Spirit, by faith, and right believing, but you can't abide IN CHRIST by will, as this is only accomplished by a SPIRITUAL UNION With HIM< = "abide".
See, You can't control this. You have no control over your SPIRIT., and that is the PART of you that ABIDES in Christ, Nancy.

So, when heretics teach this "abiding" baloney, that is only related to Denying Grace and trying to keep yourself saved..... they have no idea what they are talking about.
They have no idea that the BORN AGAIN SPIRIT is the part that ABIDES in CHRIST, and you can't control that by you MIND or Faith, or with a TV remote control.
So, all this..."by faith"....nonsense, that they will teach you as how you abide, is spiritual and theological ignorance.

You can't abide in CHRIST, by will or mind or body, any more then you can Cause yourself to be BORN AGAIN.
All this stuff happens in the SPIRIT REALM inside the Spirit of God Himself.
Its important that you understand this, or these people will have you thinking that abiding is willpower/faith or something else that is just as ridiculous as any other type of self effort they preach about to stay saved or to abide.

To Abide WHAT in CHRIST. ?
WHAT?
They have no idea, because they are faking the part of a "teacher", instead of knowing what they are talking about.
So, you abide WHAT, in Christ, Nancy?
Not your faith......but your SPIRIT, as that is the only part of you that is IN CHRIST that can ABIDE.
Understand?
And you can't control that part of you as GOD HAS THAT ALREADY.......so be sure to tell the next 23 heretics this fact about "abiding" when.

"well behold, how to i walk out my faith, then"...."isnt that abibing"?
No, that is DISCIPLESHIP..
You are already ABIDING, by being IN CHRIST, so, this is WHY you have a walk of faith, or "discipleship".

Okay then, I know where you stand on this but, what about those scripture verses I quoted telling us over and over again to ABIDE in Him?? To me, it simply means to walk like Him and have Him continually in the forefront of my deepest thoughts and in my heart, being obedient, being sensitive to the Spirits leading. To direct my steps and to change my desires to His, and He has done that. I think abiding in Christ is important...but, without faith it is impossible to do abide in Him.
JMO :)
 

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Am i teaching the sincere believers here, how to stop sinning and walk like Jesus?
Are you awake, followhim?
Im doing here what Jesus would be doing here, its what He always did, = He TAUGHT.
So, i can't "walk" more like Jesus then to TEACH His word on a forum.
In Life, i can do a lot more, but, on a forum, im prohibited by what this situation allows me to do.

I would suggest you think and believe you are teaching "Hyper grace" which is your belief system.
It is probably followed by 50% of believers on these types of forums, but maybe less so on more moderated forums.

After years debating with such followers it always comes down to the same condemnation of walking like Jesus as earning salvation, rather than doing what we love and desire to know. It is also ironic because those who are more biblical declare they can walk like Jesus because they know His grace and love working in their lives. I have also known people to be reprobates who cleaned themselves up to look good as a witness, but saw nothing more that Jesus could or would do in their life. One believer, who came from a drug addicted family lamented their father was told just believe and not clean up their life. When they actually repented and started to put into action Jesus's words things really changed and victory and love started to be a reality in their lives.

It is why easy believism is a middle class heresy, polite society who nit pick over what you wear, not alcoholics, prostitutes, drug addicts, thieves and murderers. Among such folk the only thing that really matters is a loving pure walk and this is the witness of Gods power in our hearts. And to not put too fine a point on it, this was agreed with by converted believers who came out of such a situation. It is also why the enemy will always slander love and righteous walking, because he hates those who find real victory and life in Christ. Praise the Lord though, nothing can separate us from the love of Christ, and especially not condemning teachers who teach just accept your vomit and wollowing in mud it is what you are.

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Okay then, I know where you stand on this but, what about those scripture verses I quoted telling us over and over again to ABIDE in Him?? To me, it simply means to walk like Him and have Him continually in the forefront of my deepest thoughts and in my heart, being obedient, being sensitive to the Spirits leading. To direct my steps and to change my desires to His, and He has done that. I think abiding in Christ is important...but, without faith it is impossible to do abide in Him.
JMO :)


Its the difference between :
Salvation and Discipleship

Salvation is , God puts you into His family.= DONE. Born again. = Blood Atonement.

Discipleship is your walk of faith, that you commit to, or "abide in"...as your determined lifestyle.
Lifestyle is Discipleship.
JESUS on the CROSS, is Salvation.

The heresy is this.....its when a person teaches that this walk of discipleship, is how you keep yourself SAVED.
That is where the heresy is found.

Salvation is GOD doing it for you, on a Cross, and you are Born Again.
You RECEIVE this from God, as its a GIFT....."The GIFT of Salvation"..
So, NOW, once you are IN GOD....."in Christ",....Spiritually, and eternally, you start living a life based on this born again result that you already have.
You are to walk in this Salvation, as your faith....walk.
So, you are put into God's Spirit by GOD, and that is why your born again Spirit ABIDES in God.
Then you live a LIFESTYLE that reflects your Salvation. = your discipleship.

This discipleship happens because you are ALREADY saved......that is why you are a DISCIPLE.
Its not your discipleship that caused you to be born again and it can't keep you "in God", as you are already In Christ.
Very important that you understand that one causes the other, and the other is a result of what is already happened.
The heretic is trying by discipleship to maintain what GOD has already given to you as a GIFT of Salvation.. "the GIFT of Righteousness".

We walk as a Disciple of Christ, because we ARE ALREADY BORN AGAIN and SAVED......not to keep it, but because we are already God's.
 
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And that’s just the believers! What about The worldlings and pagans who come on this forum to cause divisions?

Yes i agree.

Ive not used this Forum for very long, so, ive not seen a lot of atheists trolling the Christians.
Im sure the "prove god exists" and "god created Adam by evolution" Threads have been here before..
 
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PATENTLY FALSE: believers can and do sin. There are constant admonitions to believers to refrain from sinning.

I said that there is no "sin in Christ" and you responded that there is sin in Christians.

So, it would be helpful if your response related to my post next time.
But let me try it here.

When a person is born again, they have become as Righteous as God.
This is because Jesus has ALL their sin.....and the born again person has ALL God's righteousness. = "The Gift of Righteousness".

You believe that you are a sinner because you have wrong understanding of who you are "in Christ".

Being in Christ... end's the "sin" issue regarding a born again believer, as all sin is GONE, as Christ took it ALL.... but this redemption from sin and of sin, does not end the person's "sin consciousness" MIND< and their struggle with their flesh that you refer to as "sinning".
 

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Unfortunately the descriptions of easy believism are accurate and true. When obvious sinful behaviour goes unchallenged, a

You post has nothing to do with OSAS, or as you define it, "easy believism".
You are the victim of a terrible commentary that has destroyed your understanding of Grace.
Your commentary or perhaps your denomination, or your Pope, Pastor, Bishop, Minister, has convinced you that the actual Grace of GOD, regarding how it is offered and how it is in eternal effect, is "license", and "cheap grace".
It will be nearly impossible for you to stop the self righteous approach to your Christianity as you have become mind poisoned AGAINST the Grace of God.
You have been led to believe that GRACE is "license", and that self righteous self effort is WHY you are able to stay saved.
 

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I would suggest you think and believe you are teaching "Hyper grace" which is your belief system.
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There is nothing "hyper grace" regarding the perfect understanding that GOD keeps you saved the very same way He saved you. This is just the correct understanding of being SAVED.
You believe this is "hyper "because you are not able to understand Grace.
Grace is God saving you, and God keeping you saved, and you dont earn this, or perform to keep it.

You are to live a life that is dedicated to God, BECAUSE you are saved, and not to try to keep yourself saved.
If you believe that YOU YOU have the power to stop your salvation, then you have not understood the Blood Atonement which is the Grace of God.
 

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Its the difference between :
Salvation and Discipleship

Salvation is , God puts you into His family.= DONE. Born again. = Blood Atonement.

Discipleship is your walk of faith, that you commit to, or "abide in"...as your determined lifestyle.
Lifestyle is Discipleship.
JESUS on the CROSS, is Salvation.

The heresy is this.....its when a person teaches that this walk of discipleship, is how you keep yourself SAVED.
That is where the heresy is found.

Salvation is GOD doing it for you, on a Cross, and you are Born Again.
You RECEIVE this from God, as its a GIFT....."The GIFT of Salvation"..
So, NOW, once you are IN GOD....."in Christ",....Spiritually, and eternally, you start living a life based on this born again result that you already have.
You are to walk in this Salvation, as your faith....walk.
So, you are put into God's Spirit by GOD, and that is why your born again Spirit ABIDES in God.
Then you live a LIFESTYLE that reflects your Salvation. = your discipleship.

This discipleship happens because you are ALREADY saved......that is why you are a DISCIPLE.
Its not your discipleship that caused you to be born again and it can't keep you "in God", as you are already In Christ.
Very important that you understand that one causes the other, and the other is a result of what is already happened.
The heretic is trying by discipleship to maintain what GOD has already given to you as a GIFT of Salvation.. "the GIFT of Righteousness".

We walk as a Disciple of Christ, because we ARE ALREADY BORN AGAIN and SAVED......not to keep it, but because we are already God's.

"The heresy is this.....its when a person teaches that this walk of discipleship, is how you keep yourself SAVED.
That is where the heresy is found.
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I agree 100% that to teach the walk keeps us saved, like a magic conformity with a big payoff. The truth is the walk leads us into life and it is this life that is our prize, something beyond measure, truth and bountiful joy. It is hard to actually put together properly what true emotional consistency and honesty actually is, until you find it. No more pretending or lying or trying, just being and knowing what is appropriate and why and doing it all because one wants to do it.

So as soon as you get into the idea you behave a certain way to keep the reward, has meant the relationship has already broken down or was never really there in the first place. It is like a marriage. You get married because you love the other party, not thinking of the years ahead because all you know is you want to share whatever comes with them. If in a marriage you think, if they die I will be rich, obviously the other party no longer matters. And this is the point Jesus made about Ephesus that they had lost their first love.

So rightly keeping faithful to the end because of the reward is missing the whole point. Keeping faithful because that is life and the joy of our salvation is the point, because there is nothing better than knowing Jesus and His love, Amen.
 
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"The heresy is this.....its when a person teaches that this walk of discipleship, is how you keep yourself SAVED.
That is where the heresy is found.
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I agree 100% that to teach the walk keeps us saved, like a magic conformity with a big payoff. The truth is the walk leads us into life and it is this life that is our prize, something beyond measure, truth and bountiful joy. It is hard to actually put together properly what true emotional consistency and honesty actually is, until you find it. No more pretending or lying or trying, just being and knowing what is appropriate and why and doing it all because one wants to do it.
So as soon as you get into the idea you behave a certain way to keep the reward, has meant the relationship has already broken down or was never really there in the first place. It is like a marriage. You get married because you love the other party, not thinking of the years ahead because all you know is you want to share whatever comes with them. If in a marriage you think, if they die I will be rich, obviously the other party no longer matters. And this is the point Jesus made about Ephesus that they had lost their first love.
So rightly keeping faithful to the end because of the reward is missing the whole point. Keeping faithful because that is life and the joy of our salvation is the point, because there is nothing better than knowing Jesus and His love, Amen.

Salvation is a Marriage.
Its an eternal marriage between the born again and The Christ.
Note that we the born again are already the "bride"..... we are not waiting to become the bride, and that is because we are already married to the Groom.... who is Jesus The Christ.
We , the Bride, are just waiting to be with our Heavenly Husband, as we are ALREADY Married To the Risen One.
 
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You post has nothing to do with OSAS, or as you define it, "easy believism".
You are the victim of a terrible commentary that has destroyed your understanding of Grace.
Your commentary or perhaps your denomination, or your Pope, Pastor, Bishop, Minister, has convinced you that the actual Grace of GOD, regarding how it is offered and how it is in eternal effect, is "license", and "cheap grace".
It will be nearly impossible for you to stop the self righteous approach to your Christianity as you have become mind poisoned AGAINST the Grace of God.
You have been led to believe that GRACE is "license", and that self righteous self effort is WHY you are able to stay saved.

OSAS and easy believism are two different things. OSAS is part of a calvanistic view of faith, while easy believism has come in many forms over the years, some linked to OSAS some not. Hyper grace and Joseph Prince is just one example. And in part I am an OSAS believer, of the elect, but it is actually hidden, and God deems it important to hold the door open to all.

Imagine you have a room of 100 people, who believe similar things. You know for certain, 99 are the elect and one is not. Saying such will just discourage the one, who will say they were lost because they were told they were lost, set in stone. For justice to be served they must never know and equally for the elect to show love to all, they must treat everyone equally. So of what benefit is it to know the elect are elect, it does not change their end, but does discourage those otherwise and may do harm to the elect themselves.

But the enemy loves strife and discord, to make these issues so important, because people want to know so badly beyond knowing Jesus and the cross, our walk and the testimony of the Holy Spirit in their hearts. But maybe that is the problem, that these folk no neither the Holy Spirit or Jesus or the cross, so they desperately want something to hang on to. So here is my dilemma, is there value in sharing Gods word to the lost who are determined to undermine His ways. We are called to be salt and light, and both these things will encourage those who are called by Jesus's name, so Amen, and share on. God bless you
 

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Salvation is a Marriage.
Its an eternal marriage between the born again and The Christ.
Note that we the born again are already the "bride"..... we are not waiting to become the bride, and that is because we are already married to the Groom.... who is Jesus The Christ.
We , the Bride, are just waiting to be with our Heavenly Husband, as we are ALREADY Married To the Risen One.

It is an interesting point in scripture the church is the bride, not individual believers. Those who are married understand being in Christ is much deeper than a marriage, more intimate, more foundational, more real. Jesus is closer than a friend, a wife, a parent, a brother or sister. It is this realisation that changes us, that transcends our understanding, and as those who have met Christ is personal visions, all they want to do is go back to that situation, because it was so wonderful.

It is why our partners will always fail, but with Jesus, His love bridges every failure and shortcoming. God bless you
 

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Even by God-He let's the wheat grow with the tares!
While this is truth, yes -
there are rules God Gives us, for the assembling together whether 2 or 3 , 200, or 3000,
that the forum does not even care about as if to be an assembly of believers.
i.e. the instructions of Scripture , OT and NT, God Gives, are very clear about not even greeting nor discussing things with those who bring a false gospel (and the true danger of sharing their crime / judgment from talking with them) and the true danger seen daily of people who are taken in by the false gospel, because they think , it "looks like" , to them, those false gospel bringers are okay with all the others around here so they must be okay and they follow them to the path to destruction, their souls lost ....

i.e. as being like Athens, sites on the internet are just that,
the sites with God's Restrictions are not following God's Directions for a meeting of born-again believers.... thus so much , so many led astray... (I don't think that is everyone's purpose, but that's obviously what happened since forums open to the public unbelievers started, the one's that let unbelief keep positing their ideas as if okay for anyone ) ....

Can anyone find light, does anyone find truth on the internet ? Yes. A few. But has anyone ever been saved from a forum ? Not according to internet responses/ queries/ requests for anyone who was saved, or heard of anyone saved, has responded in over ten years .... it is dangerous like sodom and gomorrah.... maybe worse.....
 
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There is nothing "hyper grace" regarding the perfect understanding that GOD keeps you saved the very same way He saved you. This is just the correct understanding of being SAVED.
You believe this is "hyper "because you are not able to understand Grace.
Grace is God saving you, and God keeping you saved, and you dont earn this, or perform to keep it.

You are to live a life that is dedicated to God, BECAUSE you are saved, and not to try to keep yourself saved.
If you believe that YOU YOU have the power to stop your salvation, then you have not understood the Blood Atonement which is the Grace of God.

Hyper grace is used to describe a theology that ignores a sinful walk or antinomianism saying Jesus does everything, the believer does nothing. Literally all the warnings in scripture are ignored, and rewards are fortited not salvation or actually missing knowing Jesus. But after discussions where I am fried and sent to hell, which itself is a sin worthy of being lost, this movement is determined to destroy the church believing it is the work of the anti-Christ. Make no mistake these folk are violent, suggesting holding certain positions is worse than murder, a capital crime. In their view I should be dead, while coming to share love and grace, salvation in Christ.

Now if you want testimony to a spirit not of God, it is one that desires the death of fellow believers. If one compares the theology, it is almost identical except for a point about security in Christ. But in their view that is worthy of hell, and if they could, death here today. Now if you want to define rebellion against this phrase

25 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,
26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will
2 Tim 2:25-26

Now I come 100% gently and calmly but it has not stopped the assault and antagonism. It was a surprise to me that someone so close in belief could emotionally be so far away, but then theology does not save us, faith in the cross and its fruit in our lives does. A hard heart grown up in a church were internal reality and emotional hurt is never resolved, it is all ideas and beliefs, with the least resistance path taken, God does it all, we just need to rest. And there is truth in our hearts, set free, cleansed, made whole, there is absolute rest, but not this sinner do not worry in your continual sin and hardness of heart and unbelief, God has hidden your sin behind Christs blood, so be at peace.

It is true God has covered over our sin, as well as washed, healed and made us whole, but not he is ignoring the individual without healing, honesty or transformation, they are saved. That is a gospel of sinners entering heaven which is heresy. The apostles wanted to emphasis this by saying certain lifestyles are so bad, no one living like this knows Jesus

9 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
1 Tim 1:9-10

This is quite a list, but stated to emphasis, this is not even close to being like Jesus.

3 among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
Eph 5:3

This sounds hard on sinners, but this is life to those who walk according to the Spirit. You can test yourself and what image comes up in your mind regarding the people described here. If the ways of the world seem appealing and the ways of Christ boring and burdensome, you are sowing to the flesh and walking in and of the world. If you want to know Christ, repent, humble yourself and seek Him in prayer and petition.

God bless you
 

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It is an interesting point in scripture the church is the bride, not individual believers. Those who are married understand being in Christ is much deeper than a marriage, more intimate, more foundational, more real. Jesus is closer than a friend, a wife, a parent, a brother or sister. It is this realisation that changes us, that transcends our understanding, and as those who have met Christ is personal visions, all they want to do is go back to that situation, because it was so wonderful.

It is why our partners will always fail, but with Jesus, His love bridges every failure and shortcoming. God bless you
I believe you can find in Scripture partners who do not fail their spouses - and God calls them blameless, faithful, true.
IN real life, today, it is more difficult since the religious leaders started allowing divorce, remarriage, false teachings, and adultery is excused instead of the truth taught.
Footnote for research: I don't remember if it is the Jews, Israel, or the gentiles, or both Jews and gentiles who are called the bride of Christ, and which ones are called the body of Christ.... I think these are distinguished , not identical, in Scripture.
 

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OSAS and easy believism are two different things. OSAS is part of a calvanistic view of faith, while easy believism has come in many forms over the years, some linked to OSAS some not.

OSAS : if understood correctly is just Giving Christ on the Cross all the Credit due Him for saving us, and keeping us saved.
OSAS is just the recognition of God's Grace. as a GIFT. "the gift of Salvation". "the Gift of Righteousness".
It is in fact, just a correct understanding of the eternally SAVING Power of the Blood of Jesus that can't be undone by a person's behavior.
See, the heretic believes they have more power then God.
This is shown and proven by the fact that they believe and teach that they can stop their salvation.
In other words the heretic is so pride filled, so full of SELF and Self Righteousness, that they believe they have the power to UNDO God's redemption.
This is stupid on so many levels, and not just Theologically, but, worst of all..... its so very very offensive to God for this to be taught and Preached.

Here is how i teach OSAS, if someone accuses me of it, as.......this is a "license to sin" = (face palm).

1. Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved.
2. The blood of Jesus that saved you, keeps you saved.
3. Jesus IS OSAS
4. Eternal LIFE is OSAS
5. OSAS IS the Blood Atonement
6. OSAS IS God's Grace
 

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Hyper grace is used to describe a theology that ignores a sinful walk or antinomianism saying Jesus does everything, the believer does nothing.

I think your commentary is not correct.
Its a double shift of the truth to try to get you to misunderstand..

First,
the deceptive shift from Grace to Legalism is like this.....> ""Our sins from the day we are born, until the day of our salvation, are forgiven, but NONE OF THEM are forgiven that we commit after we are saved. So, our job is to become our own savior and our new atonement is "confessing and repenting" to cleans ourselves of all of our new sins.

So, that wrong believing is the problem....As if you believe that, you are a self saving, "fallen from Grace", heretic., as defined by Paul as someone who is walking in the FLESH.

So, THAT...Reader.....that i just wrote, is the dividing line that separates the heretic from the LITERAL and TRUE understanding God's Grace.
All Heretics do not believe that sin committed beyond their day of salvation is ALSO resolved by Christ on the Cross.... ALL of it.
The Heretic reads in Colossians... "that ALL Sin is forgiven", and He rewrites this in their Carnal head as..."all, up until the Cross". "but none after unless I get rid of it by confessing and repenting"..

I have news for you.... all ye heretics...there is no SHED BLOOD found in "repenting and confessing"... and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness found for your NEXT 456 sins.
Believe it.
So, you need to let go of the SELF SAVING, and return to the CROSS and THE real FAITH in CHRIST who alone saved you and keeps you saved.

And from this one wrong belief, comes all the others.. and this is why you can't stop sinning, and that is why many of you actually preach and teach a false gospel of works, in place of Colossians 2:13. and are in fact , if you are doing this, Galatians 1:8
 

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It is an interesting point in scripture the church is the bride, not individual believers. Those who are married understand being in Christ is much deeper than a marriage, more intimate, more foundational, more real. Jesus is closer than a friend, a wife, a parent, a brother or sister. It is this realisation that changes us, that transcends our understanding, and as those who have met Christ is personal visions, all they want to do is go back to that situation, because it was so wonderful.

It is why our partners will always fail, but with Jesus, His love bridges every failure and shortcoming. God bless you

God is A Spirit. = Holy.
We are spirit beings who are in union with God's Spirit, for eternity, = born again INTO God....

Jesus is coming for His Bride, and we are going to our real home, at last.
 

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God is A Spirit. = Holy.
We are spirit beings who are in union with God's Spirit, for eternity, = born again INTO God....

Jesus is coming for His Bride, and we are going to our real home, at last.


More error. More Gnosticism.

We are living souls...not spirit-beings. So we are working out our salvation with fear and trembling (or should be) and taking in the words of God that are ABLE to save our souls.

We all have a potential to be saved....fully saved.

So we should walk in fear with that in mind.
 

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While this is truth, yes -
there are rules God Gives us, for the assembling together whether 2 or 3 , 200, or 3000,
that the forum does not even care about as if to be an assembly of believers.
i.e. the instructions of Scripture , OT and NT, God Gives, are very clear about not even greeting nor discussing things with those who bring a false gospel (and the true danger of sharing their crime / judgment from talking with them) and the true danger seen daily of people who are taken in by the false gospel, because they think , it "looks like" , to them, those false gospel bringers are okay with all the others around here so they must be okay and they follow them to the path to destruction, their souls lost ....

i.e. as being like Athens, sites on the internet are just that,
the sites with God's Restrictions are not following God's Directions for a meeting of born-again believers.... thus so much , so many led astray... (I don't think that is everyone's purpose, but that's obviously what happened since forums open to the public unbelievers started, the one's that let unbelief keep positing their ideas as if okay for anyone ) ....

Can anyone find light, does anyone find truth on the internet ? Yes. A few. But has anyone ever been saved from a forum ? Not according to internet responses/ queries/ requests for anyone who was saved, or heard of anyone saved, has responded in over ten years .... it is dangerous like sodom and gomorrah.... maybe worse.....
Yes. Like the man of God in 1 kings 13...people think they won’t perish for allowing themselves to be deceived
 

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More error. More Gnosticism.

We are living souls...not spirit-beings. .

Are you pretending to be episkopos today and maybe Charismaticlady tomorrow"?
She also obsesses on "gnostics", and just like you can't even understand what they taught.
And neither of you ever quote any of their teaching, as that would be the honest thing to do, hear me?
So, you instead try to create a false assumption of Guilt by falsely relating that title to me.
This is truly carnal behavior, and you should be ashamed to be doing it in public, but, you wont be.
You rejoice in carnality, and will perform more later..

So, an update for you.,,,
Pay attention.

God is A Spirit.
He is the HOLY SPIRIT.
We the true believers are born again SPIRITUALLY into God's Spirit.
"Spiritual UNION"
Our born again SPIRIT, is in ETERNAL UNION God and Christ= "Spiritually".

So, episkopos, if you can cut back on the Jehovah Witness "immortal soul" teaching, it would benefit my Thread as well as the real believers here, who are actually on this Thread hoping to share and learn more.
You have proven in the month you've been a hyper religious carnal agitator on my Threads that you have nothing of Theological or Spiritual value to offer.