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She didn't say that she had quoted you.
Her exact words were, "no inniendos, just quotes".
I think you need to apologize to her.
And also, I was pointing the finger at no one....I simply pointed out that there was a certain behaviour that I consider to be wrong.
If the shoe fits, of course you should wear it.
A follow-up question . . . if you, a Christian, commit murder, have you broken the Law of God? And if so, which Law?
1Jo 1:8 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
Not just in God's view, though, actually dead.
Not dead, as in, inactive, I don't think that's what the Bible means when it talks about dead. Rather separated.
Physical death is the separation of the soul from the body. Spiritual death is the separation of the soul from God. And death in Christ is the first step to a new creation, which is separated from the original man, who we now call the old man.
I would say it's not so much that God doesn't see the sinner, or looks at me and sees Jesus, things like that, rather, God sees the new man, and the old man, but He knows what's what. He knows that I'm the new man now, so He doesn't kill me for deeds of the old man, who has already been judged and condemned.
Judicially, there is nothing left for God to do with me other than to judge my works, and that not concerning my salvation.
Much love!
That is actually talking about indwelling sin, not the practicing or committing of sins.
CharismaticLady
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You know my answer well enough. What I'm trying to enlighten you with is Behold's answer! You know, the guy you say you are on the same page with?
CharismaticLady
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101G
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Oh I understand your post perfectly, .... (smile), and I have answered you over and over, but it must be going over your head. but if you don't understand the difference between Sin and iniquity and the role your consciousness play in your decision to obey it or not ... well I cannot help you.
PICJAG.
CharismaticLady
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If you believe that John is speaking of a Christian out of context, who has been cleansed OF ALL SIN (the next verse), then you haven't read much. Read 1 John 3 and then tell me if a child of God is a sinner.
If you believe that John is speaking of a Christian out of context, who has been cleansed OF ALL SIN (the next verse), then you haven't read much. Read 1 John 3 and then tell me if a child of God is a sinner.
(1Jn 1:6-10) proves you wrong.
1Jo 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Walking in darkness and lying is sin we do. (1Jn 3:4).
If you carefully examine these two statements, you've asked if "a Spirit-filled Christian commits murder or adultery are they sinning?" Paul's answer is that it is "no longer" (pay attention to those words, no longer, meaning, what comes next is the new "now") it is no longer me that sins, but the sin that lives in me.
Meaning is was me that sinned, but now it's not. So according to the Bible, the answer to the first question, are they sinning? No. Rather it is the sin that lives in them. But not them themself.
To the second statement . . . did anyone actually say sin was no longer sin? I didn't see that, but maybe I missed it.
Much love!
CharismaticLady
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You throw in heresy amongst truth. It is the heresy I want a straight answer to, but you don't want to reveal it.
CharismaticLady
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Is a person who has been cleansed of all unrighteousness, in thought and deed, a sinner, or a child of God. Do they walk in the light, or in the darkness?
Will a liar go to heaven or be thrown in the lake of fire? Revelation 21:8
BarneyFife
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Straw man much? I say what I mean, and mean what I say. I'm not trying to impress anyone. I don't see anything innuendo-like, but if you want Pauline quotes, I got Pauline quotes.
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. (Galatians 6:1)
And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. (1 Corinthians 8:2)
And, yeah, I might've read the book of Jude a few hundred times since my grandmother had me memorize it 46 years ago.
It's a long way down off the high horse, Friend. I know. You might want to consider the concept of the paradox because if you want to specialize in Pauline, you're going to have an impossible amount of explaining to do otherwise. Hard lines don't work in much of Paul's work. There's a reason God chose a highly-educated Pharisee as the Apostle to the Gentiles. It's because he was highly educated and would know how to appeal to the sophisticated philosophies of the northern and eastern Mediterranean. Most people who specialize in The Great Apostle are way out of their league. Peter tried to warn us, though.
CharismaticLady
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Now you listen carefully. Does a Christian still have sin in their nature?
What does the word "No" mean to you when asked if murder is sin?
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