Hillary Clinton on "Why young people are leaving church?"

[Josho]

So a question about the original topic: what kind of judgement are young christians leaving church over? Can someone clarify for me?

See post #57....

And perhaps this is a reason?
Catholic priest says Democrats are going to hell — and Texas bishop backs him up

It's not our job to condemn others to hell.....


Some young people are getting the wrong idea of Christianity and God. These are the questions needed to be asked. Why do some young people see God as hateful? As it's obviously the wrong image that they are seeing. Should they instead be seeing a powerful loving God? Are most Churches giving an accurate representation of God's character? Is too much time being spent on preaching about sin and judgement to the world, when most don't even know what sin is, or why sin is sin? Is there too much emphasis and focus on just a few things?

Could too many Christians siding too close to Trump be pushing others away and even making others run away from Christianity?

Is it time to stand up against bullying remarks more?

Are the "disadvantaged" being respected enough? (and by disadvantaged I mean all sorts of things) A few examples are.... The homeless, those that are struggling to pay their bills (perhaps they maybe aren't even able to pay their bills), the disabled.

And if we want to make this more political, why are a majority of African-American Christians voting for the Democrats? And some of these people are very lively Christians.

 

[ChristisGod]

See post #57....

And perhaps this is a reason?
Catholic priest says Democrats are going to hell — and Texas bishop backs him up

It's not our job to condemn others to hell.....


Some young people are getting the wrong idea of Christianity and God. These are the questions needed to be asked. Why do some young people see God as hateful? As it's obviously the wrong image that they are seeing. Should they instead be seeing a powerful loving God? Are most Churches giving an accurate representation of God's character? Is too much time being spent on preaching about sin and judgement to the world, when most don't even know what sin is, or why sin is sin? Is there too much emphasis and focus on just a few things?

Could too many Christians siding too close to Trump be pushing others away and even making others run away from Christianity?

Is it time to stand up against bullying remarks more?

Are the "disadvantaged" being respected enough? (and by disadvantaged I mean all sorts of things) A few examples are.... The homeless, those that are struggling to pay their bills (perhaps they maybe aren't even able to pay their bills), the disabled.

And if we want to make this more political, why are a majority of African-American Christians voting for the Democrats? And some of these people are very lively Christians.

John 16:8-9
And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;

Romans 10:13-17
for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!”16 However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:1-7
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.

No need to explain the above to a believer as it is self explanatory.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Josho]

Ummmmmmmm, "Christianity Today" is NOT -- Christianity today --. It's now -- "Lies today" --, and what better SOURCE OF LIES except from someone/something we've grown and EXPECT to TRUST, only to find out that they're no longer trustworthy.

But not everyone is aware.
Bobby Jo

I would disagree...

Christian Today seems to give a balanced Christian perspective towards current events and happenings, they don't seem to be affiliated with any political party.

If you would have a look, they have their Trump articles too.

 

[ChristisGod]

Ummmmmmmm, "Christianity Today" is NOT -- Christianity today --. It's now -- "Lies today" --, and what better SOURCE OF LIES except from someone/something we've grown and EXPECT to TRUST, only to find out that they're no longer trustworthy.

But not everyone is aware.
Bobby Jo

Here is their Statement of Faith. What do you disagree with below ?

1. The sixty-six canonical books of the Bible as originally written were inspired of God, hence free from error. They constitute the only infallible guide in faith and practice.
2. There is one God, the Creator and Preserver of all things, infinite in being and perfection. He exists eternally in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who are of one substance and equal in power and glory.
3. God created Adam and Eve in his own image. By disobedience, they fell from their sinless state through the temptation by Satan. This fall plunged humanity into a state of sin and spiritual death, and brought upon the entire race the sentence of eternal death. From this condition we can be saved only by the grace of God, through faith, on the basis of the work of Christ, and by the agency of the Holy Spirit.
4. The eternally pre-existent Son became incarnate without human father, by being born of the Virgin Mary. Thus, in the Lord Jesus Christ, divine and human natures were united in one Person, both natures being whole, perfect, and distinct. To effect salvation, he lived a sinless life and died on the cross as the sinner's substitute, shedding his blood for the remission of sins. On the third day he rose from the dead in the body which had been laid in the tomb. He ascended to the right hand of the Father, where he performs the ministry of intercession. He shall come again, personally and visibly, to complete his saving work and to consummate the eternal plan of God.
5. The Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Triune God. He applies to man the work of Christ. By justification and adoption we are given a right standing before God; by regeneration, sanctification, and glorification our nature is renewed.
6. When we have turned to God in penitent faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, we are accountable to God for living a life separated from sin and characterized by the fruit of the Spirit. It is our responsibility to contribute by word and deed to the universal spread of the Gospel.
7. At the end of the age, the bodies of the dead shall be raised. The righteous shall enter into full possession of eternal bliss in the presence of God, and the wicked shall be condemned to eternal death.

 

[amigo de christo]

Addressing- your comment: Stack the Court.
This Nation has become so Corrupt- that the "little", words and phrases have become common place with the public.

Stack the court- for example.
The phrase does not bother me, but what is underlying is stomach turning.
• the USSC like any court is "supposed" to make rulings ON the Basis of Constitutional Law. If that is the case, How is there NOT 100% agreement in Renderings?
Because in Fact, Rulings come down to a Vote of personal Opinions.
• The People at Large have become Hostage to One man's OPINION, regarding Numerous issues.
It's a trickle path...through all phases of Government that is so out of control, the People haven't a clue How to Stop it, Or Fix it, being SO Convinced, (their role, the People), is to Fight amongst themselves), while Corrupt representatives (glued to honored seats), will LEAD them to Wealth, Safety and Peace.
All government Representatives are Servants, NOT Leaders.
And Today's generation are taught and encouraged TO Vote FOR Leaders. They begin as BABY Dependendents and are Conditioned to be Adult Dependents, in a Nation that was Designed as A Republic Form of Government, guaranteeing every Citizen Independence.

Glory To God,
Taken

I heard last night from another member at another site
that the quaratine for trump has become quite serious .
They say he is confined to the white house till january 20 2025

 

[Truther]

Came across this article on Facebook from "Christian Today".

Hillary Clinton believes that young people are leaving Church because it has became too judgemental. So would you agree with her on this point?

Clinton, a Methodist, aired her views while asking Barber what he thinks the Church should be doing today to reverse the decline among younger generations.

"Because a lot of people are leaving the Church. A lot of young people are leaving the Church, in part because the way they understand what Christianity has become ... so judgmental, so alienating that they think to themselves, well, I don't need that," she said.

https://www.christiantoday.com/arti...come.judgemental.and.so.alienating/135699.htm

And here's the podcast, I have not listened to the podcast, but if you wish to listen to it, here is Hillary Clinton talking about "Faith."

Faith

Young people are leaving the churches because they don't even resemble the 1st century church.

Old folks didn't care if there were no similarities but young people are more inquisitive.

 

[amigo de christo]

Young people are leaving the churches because they don't even resemble the 1st century church.

Old folks didn't care if there were no similarities but young people are more inquisitive.

older folks in part were more in tune with the teachings of scriptures .
Todays younger , are more in tune with feelings and emotions .
And that is why the churches are falling away . Cause more and more took up the seeker friendly and whats relative mindset .
Folks dont want biblical truth anymore . It is sad .

 

[Truther]

older folks in part were more in tune with the teachings of scriptures .
Todays younger , are more in tune with feelings and emotions .
And that is why the churches are falling away . Cause more and more took up the seeker friendly and whats relative mindset .
Folks dont want biblical truth anymore . It is sad .

Older folks loused up the churches with false doctrines and creeds. The kids didn't do that.

 

[Josho]

Older folks loused up the churches with false doctrines and creeds. The kids didn't do that.

I think Jesus Power Evangelism is something they need to bring back, or even more so "let it out of the box."

It would be good to at least get back to the days of The Great Welsh Revival and Asuza Street Revivals.

 

[Truther]

I think Jesus Power Evangelism is something they need to bring back, or even more so "let it out of the box."

It would be good to at least get back to the days of The Great Welsh Revival and Asuza Street Revivals.

Amen, it will begin with Acts 2:38 adherence, then celebrate Acts, then celebrate the epistles and eliminate all commentary from the denominations.

Start from scratch, then our youth will see our doctrines are 1st century doctrines.

 

[Josho]

John 16:8-9
And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;

Romans 10:13-17
for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? 15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!”16 However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:1-7
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.

No need to explain the above to a believer as it is self explanatory.

hope this helps !!!

But whose job is judgement though?

Perhaps i didn't word post #101 quite right, but I stand by what I said that it's not our place to judge or to condemn people to hell.... Otherwise what do others participating on this thread think of Matthew 7:1 and John 8:1-11

But on another note, yes repentence is important.

Here's the thing though, repentence is not something that should be forced......

But if there is a genuine leading of the Holy Spirit, people will want repent and turn away from sin.

After Jonah got spat out of the whale, Jonah finally decided to follow God's instructions he went into Ninevah to tell the people to repent. The people of Ninevah were not forced to repent, but when Jonah shared the message from God under the power of God, the people of Ninevah wanted to repent.

 

[Mayflower]

Didnt listen to the podcast, but I can agree with the concept. I also think it is because churxhes aren't teaching the whole truth. People can sense that.

 

[farouk]

Didnt listen to the podcast, but I can agree with the concept. I also think it is because churxhes aren't teaching the whole truth. People can sense that.

@Mayflower Whether the source of the quote is really interested in Biblical truth is an aspect also...

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I would disagree...

Christian Today seems to give a balanced Christian perspective towards current events and happenings, they don't seem to be affiliated with any political party.

If you would have a look, they have their Trump articles too.

There was a time many years ago that Christianity Today was more biblical on their views, but I have watched them become increasingly liberal, meaning unbiblical, in their articles.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Young people are leaving the churches because they don't even resemble the 1st century church.

Old folks didn't care if there were no similarities but young people are more inquisitive.

I would say that BOTH young and old who reject the Bible as God’s standard for truth are equally wrong and lost. There’s plenty of blame to go around, but each of us will be judged by God as INDIVIDUALS. IOW, no finger pointing on Judgment Day!

 

[ChristisGod]

There’s so much talk these days about so-called “Millennials.” Millennials are the generation born between 1980 and 2000. They are “digital natives,” and the defining events of their lives include the Oklahoma City bombing, 9/11, the War on Terror, Harry Potter, the Great Recession, and the birth of social media. Oh, and by the way, they love avocado toast.

They are also the “biggest” generation: Some 78 million strong. In the next five or six years, they will comprise 75 percent of the American workforce.

On the whole, Millennials tend to be skeptical of absolutes, and anyone or anything claiming to be the authority on life and the world. Thus, they tend to be skeptical about the Bible. Only 9 percent of Millennials claim to read the Bible on a daily basis, and only 30 percent believe that the Old and New Testaments are the Word of God.

All of this leads to an acute challenge for many in older generations: How to pass on the faith to their children and grandchildren. I’m happy to tell you there’s a new book that can really help.

Two Millennial Christian thought leaders, Michael and Lauren Green McAfee, seeking to overcome the skepticism of their peers about the Bible, have written a new and engaging book, “Not What You Think: Why the Bible Might Be Nothing We Expected but Everything We Need.”

Michael is director of community initiatives at the Museum of the Bible. His wife Lauren, who now works at the Hobby Lobby corporate offices, helped get the museum up and running. So they both have a deep, sincere passion to share their love for the Bible.

The first part of “Not What You Think” is devoted to explaining exactly who Millennials are: their demographics, aspirations, preferences, etc. One of the key characteristics we must understand is that Millennials came of age at a time when the very notion of truth was, well, fuzzy at best.

“Our era is one in which truth has moved from objective reality to personal response,” they write. “Our generation generally hesitates to accept truth outside of personal experience and opinion.”Millennials and the Bible: 'Not what you think'

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

Here is an eye opening Barna survey and trend from 2018. I'm sure the % has lowered in the past 2 years.

Here is the overview by generation: 10% of Boomers have a biblical worldview. 7% of Gen X have a biblical worldview. 6% of Millennials have a biblical worldview. 4% of Gen Z have a biblical worldview. That’s not an encouraging trend.

Worldviews ask and answer questions like:

• Does God Exist? (God)
• How Did Everything Begin? (Origins)
• What’s Wrong with the World? (Problem)
• What’s the Ultimate Solution? (Solution)
• Who Am I? (Identity)
• Why Am I Here? (Purpose)
• Am I Living a Good Life? (Morality)
• What Happens After I Die? (Destiny)

I just found a 2020 survey which confirmed my suspicions. It went from 4% down to 2%.

 

[Brakelite]

Might I suggest that young people are leaving the church because there are too many people like Hillary in the church pretending to know what they're talking about.

 

[Taken]

I heard last night from another member at another site
that the quaratine for trump has become quite serious .
They say he is confined to the white house till january 20 2025

2025?

Probably precautionary but not an interruption of his duties.
His Residence and Offices and security spaces, Available to all Presidents are within the WH perimeters.

 

[Giuliano]

Might I suggest that young people are leaving the church because there are too many people like Hillary in the church pretending to know what they're talking about.

What? Do you include yourself in that "too many people"?