Truth or Fiction - Do you really know the difference?

[amadeus]

Sorry to muddy the waters, but my post primarily was addressed @Nancy who may know more about where I am. Once having started to respond to her I realized that I had left your OP hanging so I added a few thoughts on that. I will try to clarify...

Amadeus: I just do not understand the gist of your post to me. This OP is not specifically focused on being a believer or not. It does however focus on who is IMO is providing fiction for truth. All people should know the truth about men, the world and even the spiritual truth of God. It then suggests, at least implicitly, that evil men, not usually believers, can sway any man, whether they be a believer or not.

When it comes to Truth, I believe what Jesus said. Men have their own definition of truth, which certainly is not the same. Since this is essentially supposed to be a "Christian" forum I went with what Jesus said without too much clarification. I understand however not everyone, who 'believes' agrees with me and some misunderstandings may exist.

What I am seeing is that the whole of the unbelievers walk is a fiction, but since they are dead in the eyes of God it would matter only insofar as it influences those who have real Life in them or those who will before the end of their course.

The person, on the other hand, who has completely overcome the world as did Jesus understands and is within reality or Truth or Jesus. How many on this forum or in the churches have so overcome the world that Jesus overcame. I believe that Jesus opened up the Way and some are striving to follow it. Many, I believe, are on a mixed walk, walking in two places at least some of the time, that is to say they are double minded... or the 'old man' is still in the running against the 'new man'.

It is an open ended type OP. It can give warning to those that think they are believers, to re-examine and check their spirituality and their standing with their Creator, as they live in this world. They need to re-examine their truth in all things, whilst living in this world. It may be fiction and deceit and they are being fooled, deliberately.

I guess my expressed view is seen from a broader perspective. Examination of truth versus fiction as man defines them may be at times helpful to believers, but ultimately for them it must be left behind as they walk closer to God.

And the truth for this OP, is not necessarily just the truth from scripture. The world can blind any man/woman into thinking their truth they hold is really fiction. It is also can be a warning to those that are not believers to examine where their sources of information for the truth is derived. Of course we as believers pray for wisdom and truth. The unbeliever has not this vehicle at their disposal for the discernment of truth versus fiction (lies).

Your first sentence here suggests the difference I described between real Truth [Jesus] and man's definition or description of truth.

Your second sentence speaks to me of the deluded person, who have received a delusion because his love for truth is missing or has fallen from first place and has led him to double mindedness or worse.

I hope this clears things up a bit...Let me know

APAK

You cleared it up for your part and hopefully I have for mine.

 

[Nancy]

Well he's a link, and I know all of this info already. The video starts off with the ex-CIA director speaking at the CFR.....the CIA are at the heart of this geo-engineering program...it really is killing off the good soils and vegetation, as what comes down to the ground is at least Al compounds and other 'strands' of man-made materials.....it was first couched as a project to avoid or mitigate global warming....what a laugh....

Even as a kid, I saw them as weird...

 

[APAK]

“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” – William Casey, CIA Director 1981
BY ADMIN · OCTOBER 15, 2020


CIA runs Hollywood, mostly all Media journalists ….TV, Publishing all basically all information sources in U.S. Facebook is affiliated with the CIA as is Google which has now acquired duckduckgo.com

Get off duckduckgo.com as the CIA now tracks your moves there..owned by them recently....

use search engines such as : StartPage.com....Searchencry.com .......peekier.com.....

APAK

 

[Nancy]

“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” – William Casey, CIA Director 1981
BY ADMIN · OCTOBER 15, 2020


CIA runs Hollywood, mostly all Media journalists ….TV, Publishing all basically all information sources in U.S. Facebook is affiliated with the CIA as is Google which has now acquired duckduckgo.com

Get off duckduckgo.com as the CIA now tracks your moves there..owned by them recently....

use search engines such as : StartPage.com....Searchencry.com .......peekier.com.....

APAK

Not at all surprising to me. They know and have known everything about us for so long now. I no longer put tape over my camera lens on my laptop because, they would become pretty darned bored! Ha! Or of course, they could and, pretty sure they keep their eyes on Christians just as much, if not MORE as time passes. It is rare that I even get on FB other than to keep up with certain things I want to know, like my niece in-law and how her twins were coming along. There are issues but, the prayers to God I do believe with all my heart, have been answered and those beautiful girls will become healthy and grow each day (they are only around 3 lbs. each right now, in the NICU in N.C.) We were, ARE rejoicing and praising God for this as baby B was not getting the proper oxygen. Baby A, half of her heart was larger than the other.
Sry, off track

 

[APAK]

Not at all surprising to me. They know and have known everything about us for so long now. I no longer put tape over my camera lens on my laptop because, they would become pretty darned bored! Ha! Or of course, they could and, pretty sure they keep their eyes on Christians just as much, if not MORE as time passes. It is rare that I even get on FB other than to keep up with certain things I want to know, like my niece in-law and how her twins were coming along. There are issues but, the prayers to God I do believe with all my heart, have been answered and those beautiful girls will become healthy and grow each day (they are only around 3 lbs. each right now, in the NICU in N.C.) We were, ARE rejoicing and praising God for this as baby B was not getting the proper oxygen. Baby A, half of her heart was larger than the other.
Sry, off track

I never signed up for FB or Twitter....
I hope your niece-in-law has two healthy children.....baby A with the heart you described can living a normal life.....
let me know how these children are doing by years-end if you want...
Make sure you take time out to take care of yourself....

Bless you from upper State NY...did you get moved to the South of Buffalo?

 

[Nancy]

I never signed up for FB or Twitter....
I hope your niece-in-law has two healthy children.....baby A with the heart you described can living a normal life.....
let me know how these children are doing by years-end if you want...
Make sure you take time out to take care of yourself....

Bless you from upper State NY...did you get moved to the South of Buffalo?

Not yet APAK,
will be putting it on the market in Spring and, either God will bless this or He will wish me to stay here...sure hope He chooses the former! lol.

 

[Yan]

Sorry to muddy the waters, but my post primarily was addressed @Nancy who may know more about where I am. Once having started to respond to her I realized that I had left your OP hanging so I added a few thoughts on that. I will try to clarify...


When it comes to Truth, I believe what Jesus said. Men have their own definition of truth, which certainly is not the same. Since this is essentially supposed to be a "Christian" forum I went with what Jesus said without too much clarification. I understand however not everyone, who 'believes' agrees with me and some misunderstandings may exist.

What I am seeing is that the whole of the unbelievers walk is a fiction, but since they are dead in the eyes of God it would matter only insofar as it influences those who have real Life in them or those who will before the end of their course.

The person, on the other hand, who has completely overcome the world as did Jesus understands and is within reality or Truth or Jesus. How many on this forum or in the churches have so overcome the world that Jesus overcame. I believe that Jesus opened up the Way and some are striving to follow it. Many, I believe, are on a mixed walk, walking in two places at least some of the time, that is to say they are double minded... or the 'old man' is still in the running against the 'new man'.


I guess my expressed view is seen from a broader perspective. Examination of truth versus fiction as man defines them may be at times helpful to believers, but ultimately for them it must be left behind as they walk closer to God.


Your first sentence here suggests the difference I described between real Truth [Jesus] and man's definition or description of truth.

Your second sentence speaks to me of the deluded person, who have received a delusion because his love for truth is missing or has fallen from first place and has led him to double mindedness or worse.


You cleared it up for your part and hopefully I have for mine.

Many teaching of this world are influenced with worldly interest, if someone is not joining group A are infidel or if not joining group B are satanist, etc. How do we know the scribes & pharisee in this modern day ?
Catholic priest are the scribes and Pharisee are Protestant. So, both of them always fight each other only for political interest and they always fought about circumcised and not circumcised. Today we knew together on how both of them are misleading many unborn babies and kids (Unwoken people). The fault of the scribe is they put heavy burdens to his people who does not know the demands to be a holy life equal as Jesus where the life of Jesus was following the circumcision to follow 10 commandments (Luke 2:21-33) but in catholic doesn't not teach their people to live as what Jesus did. And the fault of the pharisee was force catholic people to be circumcised and sometimes they forced catholic priests to circumcised their people, but pharisee are blind that Jesus already did that circumcision in the cross and whosoever baptistes in the name of Jesus were no longer any distinction between people had circumcised or not. They both had misled many people that could leads many people into God's punishment. Sometimes many circumcised people are lack of the love of God & thy neighbours because they teach others to forbid touching each other who were uncircumcised, this is opposite with scripture (James 2:8-10; Colossians 2:16-23). Renew your thought, don't follow the pattern of this world because the pattern of this world are from the Evil One who fight each other (Mark 3:23-26). Remember Jesus was crucified and treated as a Mammon sacrifice, its was the same with current division in church because of politics and money.

 

[amadeus]

I hope you don't mind my corrections to your post to make it easier to understand. I tried to retain all of your points as you expressed them. I neither added nor subtracted anything, nor did I make any comments of my own.

Many teachings in this world are influenced by worldly interests. If someone is not joining group A he is an infidel, or if he is not joining group B he is a satanist, etc. How do we know the scribes & Pharisees in this modern day ?

Catholic priests are the scribes and the Pharisees are Protestants. So, both of them are always fighting each other only for political interests; they have always fought about circumcision and not about uncircumcision. Today we know that together both of them are misleading many unborn babies and kids (Unawakened people). The fault of the scribes is that they put heavy burdens on his people,
people, who do does not know the demands for them to lead a holy life equal to the life of Jesus was following with those of the
circumcision to follow the 10 commandments (Luke 2:21-33) but Catholicism does not teach their people to live as Jesus did. And the fault of the pharisee was in forcing Catholic people to be circumcised and sometimes they forcing Catholic priests to circumcise their people; but the Pharisees are blind because Jesus already did that circumcision on the cross and whosoever baptizes in the name of Jesus were no longer making any distinction between people as to whether they had been circumcised or not. They both misled many people which would lead many lead many people into God's punishment. Sometimes many circumcised people lack of the love of God & their neighbours because they teach others to forbid touching each others, who were uncircumcised. This is opposite of what scripture shows (James 2:8-10; Colossians 2:16-23). Renew your thoughts. Don't follow the pattern of this world because the pattern of this world is from the Evil Ones
who fight each other (Mark 3:23-26). Remember Jesus was crucified and treated as a Mammon sacrifice. It is the same with current division in the churches due to politics and money.

 

[Truman]

Many hidden or secret things that are important and known to only to a few are controlled and defended, limited by their imagination, the science and current technology at their disposal, and all types of smoke and mirrors they can muster, and bring to bear. These people are the most powerful and rich in this world in terms of resources, funds and influence. Many are satanists and pagan cultists of various persuasions. Believe it or not!

They defend these secret things with their lives by even sacrificing yours! Those that dare contest and defy their version of their truth are then ridiculed in the court of public opinion as conspiracy nuts and even threats to society. These truth-keepers always produce an excellent propaganda war campaign that always wins over most of the clueless masses. The majority then, in the end, are mentally conditioned and controlled, as they sleep walk through their lives in ignorance.

However, there are some hardened and outspoken deniers of their truth. They cannot be conditioned and controlled. With much public backing, these defiant ones are punished. Many are made penniless, fined, jailed, framed, threatened, blackmailed and even clandestinely assassinated.

Most people in all ages have been programmed. taught, told, and fed fantasies, day in and day out to cover real truths that we are really meant to know in life. Most are of a spiritual nature, at its source.

I will start with one or two fictions that has been taught, advertised and sold as truth.

You know the one, it has to do with space and even the moon. Does science support it all?

Then there are the UFOs and aliens. Are they really space aliens or are they fallen angels - demons?

APAK

Unless aliens are afraid of the name Jesus, I'd have to say they are the enemy; fallen angels, and demons.

 

[APAK]

Back to NASA...actually can be a transliterated Hebrew word that means in English, deception or deceit

NASA Lies
Wrapped in cellophane and aluminum baking foil

Look at him trying to pick up the hammer that he dropped, but cannot because of the bungee cord attached to the suit.

Astronaut then tries to jump up higher to put more weight on the bungee cord, to be able to drop lower and pick up the hammer used to erect the US flag on the moon.

This is so funny that the astronaut with all that weight on the moon, he cannot kneel down to pick up the hammer. The bungee cords too tight to let him.

The slow motion is a laugh… giving the illusion of low gravity.

The Hammer can sure drop on the ground … without bouncing in the air

He gives up and returns to the rover to get the tongs to pick up the hammer successfully.


http://www.jewworldorder.org/wp-con...during-an-apollo-16-lunar-surface-eva.mp4?_=1

 

[Yan]

@APAK, these footages videos and a few evidence shows the fake launch of NASA that always launch the rocket sideways to the gulf or into ocean. They put billion dollars only to make giant firecracker & smoke into the air. They use the moon only as symbol of Moon deity in spirituality.

 

[Yan]

Did the "China trade war" represent truly "Trade War" or China knows the truth about the Moon ?
Its all about space isn't it ?
China definetely know something about the moon, and that makes the us mad ?

From these footage below, can you realize the video who did hold the camera ?
Did one of astronout was left behind on the moon landing only to hold the camera ?

Or maybe they'd found something evil in the moon on the last moon mission, this movie in 2011 sounds like represent reality or spirituality ?

 

[APAK]

@APAK, these footages videos and a few evidence shows the fake launch of NASA that always launch the rocket sideways to the gulf or into ocean. They put billion dollars only to make giant firecracker & smoke into the air. They use the moon only as symbol of Moon deity in spirituality.

I was about 1 1/2 hrs drive from that last clip you showed. I remember the news of this well....it was a secret NASA activity..
The third clip if meant to be true, is impossible to achieve....landing on that floating pad so perfectly...without virtually no navigation and steering aids or capability upon descent into the atmosphere.

 

[Yan]

Between USA and China, they should be told the truth and resolve the war. They should be put the cooperation to solve the misunderstanding. All the hatred & the lack of understanding or envy were came from the fruit of the flesh.

Colossians 3:5-15 (UKJV)
5. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6. For which things' sake the wrath of God comes on the children of disobedience:
7. In the which all of you also walked some time, when all of you lived in them.
8. But now all of you also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9. Lie not one to another, seeing that all of you have put off the old man with his deeds;
10. And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11. Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Savages, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13. Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do all of you.
14. And above all these things put on (o. agape) love, which is the bond of perfection.
15. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also all of you are called in one body; and be all of you thankful.

 

[Yan]

I was about 1 1/2 hrs drive from that last clip you showed. I remember the news of this well....it was a secret NASA activity..
The third clip if meant to be true, is impossible to achieve....landing on that floating pad so perfectly...without virtually no navigation and steering aids or capability upon descent into the atmosphere.

This video shows the real NASA space shuttle, maybe those failed footages of sideways are only releasing the communication satelite mission onto ionosphere because the real outer space mission were separating gas tanks after delivered into outer ionosphere.

 

[APAK]

What about it? UFOs---of demons for other dimensions co-existing with ours....APAK

The Inter-dimensional Hypothesis

The interdimensional hypothesis was proposed by a number of Ufologists like Jacques Vallée who suggests that unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and related events (such as alien sightings) imply visits from beings from other “realities” or “dimensions” that coexist separately with ours.

Some have referred to these beings as visitors from another universe.


In other words, Vallée and other authors suggest that aliens are real but exist not in our dimension, but in another reality, that coexists with our own.

This theory is an alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis which suggests that aliens are advanced spacefaring beings that exist in our universe.

The interdimensional hypothesis argues that UFOs are a modern manifestation of a phenomenon that has occurred throughout recorded human history, which in earlier times was attributed to mythological or supernatural creatures — Ancient Astronaut theory.

But despite the fact that modern Ufologists and millions of people around the globe believe we are not alone in this universe, many ufologists and paranormal researchers have embraced the interdimensional Hypothesis, suggesting that it explains the Alien theory in a much smoother way.

Paranormal investigator Brad Steiger wrote that “we are dealing with a multidimensional paraphysical phenomenon that is largely originating from planet Earth.”

Other ufologists, such as John Ankerberg and John Weldon, who also favor the interdimensional hypothesis argue that UFO sightings fit in the spiritualist phenomenon.


Commenting on the disparity between the Extraterrestrial hypothesis and the reports that people have made of UFO encounters, Ankerberg and Weldon wrote that “the UFO phenomenon simply does not behave like extraterrestrial visitors.”

This Interdimensional Hypothesis took a step further in the book UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse published in 1970, where author John Keel linked UFOs to supernatural concepts such as ghosts and demons.

Some advocates of the extraterrestrial theory have embraced some of the ideas set forth by the Interdimensional Hypothesis because it does a better job explaining how ‘aliens’ could travel in space across vast distances.

The distance between the stars makes interstellar travel impractical using conventional means and since no one has demonstrated an antigravity engine or any other machine that would allow a traveler to move across the cosmos at speed faster than light, the Interdimensional Hypothesis makes much more sense.

According to this theory, is not necessary to use any method of propulsion because it maintains that UFOs are not spacecraft, but devices that travel between different realities. However, they still need to get from one reality to the other, right?

One of the benefits of the Interdimensional Hypothesis according to Hilary Evans — a British pictorial archivist, author, and researcher into UFOs and other paranormal phenomena — is that it can explain the apparent ability of UFOs to appear and disappear, not only from sight but from radar; as the interdimensional UFO’s can enter and leave our dimension at will, meaning they have the ability to materialize and dematerialize.

On the other hand, Evans argues that if the other dimension is slightly more advanced than ours, or is perhaps our own future, this would explain the tendency of UFOs to represent technologies close to the future.

Declassified FBI Document — Beings From Other Dimensions Exist
While all of the above may sound like something coming from a sci-fi movie, there is a peculiar declassified top-secret document in the FBI archives which speaks of interdimensional beings, and how their ‘spacecraft’ have the ability to materialize and dematerialize in our own dimension.

The document can be accessed HERE.

Here Is A Transcript Of Some Of The Most Important Details Of The Report:
Part of the disks carry crews; others are under remote control.

Their mission is peaceful. The visitors contemplate settling on this plane.

These visitors are human-like but much larger in size.

They are not excarnate Earth people but come from their own world.

They do NOT come from a planet as we use the word, but from an etheric planet which interpenetrates with our own and is not perceptible to us.

The bodies of the visitors, and the craft, automatically materialize on entering the vibratory rate of our dense matter.

The disks possess a type of radiant energy or a ray, which will easily disintegrate any attacking ship. They reenter the etheric at will, and so simply disappear from our vision, without trace.

The region from which they come is not the “astral plane,” but corresponds to the Lokas or Talas. Students of osoteric matters will understand these terms.

They probably cannot be reached by radio, but probably can be by radar. if a signal system can be devised for that (apparatus).


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This extract comes for an official FBI site......

 

[TLHKAJ]

What are your thoughts on the above, @APAK?

 

[APAK]

What are your thoughts on the above, @APAK?

Yes, I do believe in this concept of inter/even intra-dimensions design by YHWH. He has placed the demons in high places, of a dimension or dimensions that are more expansive and not as restrictive as ours. When we look into space and the night sky, we see blackness filled with starts and planets. In the demon world they see much more as spirits...they see more layers and details of space and matter and even other 'time(s).' Demons are spirit beings with secret knowledge as they are called demons for this having this knowledge. I believe they have passed on some of this knowledge to some useful human idiots for their purposes....they know that Christ is coming back soon...

These beings can go through specific areas into our place of living for a specific amount of time. The creator is 'above' all these dimensions where there is no time and infinite space..it is always constantly the all knowing NOW for him...it is hard to grasp even where the demons live let alone YHWH's state and everywhere, as his place of residence.....it's like trying to visualize the three dimensions of length, breath and height when you are restricted to only grasping length and breadth and no concept of time. You have to imagine the dimension of height and the bond of time that connects it all as one mind snapshot at a time.

This theory above does more easily explain the sighting of UFOs and how they can move and maneuver with such speed and agility. They have to move in and out of different dimensions connected to our own. As the above report says, they (demons) come into our world matching the vibratory rate of our matter...meaning they can then become visible to us......I cannot see any other explanation for this phenomena.

When they tune to a vibration rate not as our matter, they become instantly invisible to us.....they know how to re-tune and manipulate the energy vibrations within any object....it is part of their secret knowledge....

All materials whether inert or living, stone cold as a rock or an animal or human, vibrate at specific fundamental frequencies...it is the heart beat of our Creator... WE cannot destroy or permanently change what he made, only manipulate it, as the DEMONS CAN and are doing....

Funny though, there are foolish humans trying to detect, isolate and change the natural vibration (spin and axial) rates of atoms and other subatomic particles to make an object invisible, visible, move it through a sped up time warp into an instant future...I wonder where they got that idea....give you one answer and it starts with the letter 'D'...

There are clips of the crop circles actually being made out of thin air in real time...inter/intra-dimensional theory explains it...
Demons are doing all these signs and wonders......They are meant to occur more frequently in the near future with more impact...

...hope I did not go off the deep end in this discussion......I find this subject very fascinating, indeed

....and they do have a 'spirit' radar that can detect these demons...as the unclassified document speaks to....

I see in the future, and even today is a rudimentary form, a device that can detect whether one is of Christ by detecting a unique vibratory and frequency spirit signature emanating from a person...how easily it will be to separate those of Christ and those of the world...and who are they that will use it......stop here...APAK out

 

[TLHKAJ]

I see in the future, and even today is a rudimentary form, a device that can detect whether one is of Christ by detecting a unique vibratory and frequency spirit signature emanating from a person...how easily it will be to separate those of Christ and those of the world...and who are they that will use it......stop here...APAK out

I can see what you're saying. I also see that we can discern this in the spirit, by Holy Spirit, who is in Christ. But those who do not know Him may resort to some fallen angel technology for this purpose. I have, though, had ones who were still captive to the cult who could sense that I served the One True God ....their words were, "You have a different spirit ...tell me about the God you serve."

 

[TLHKAJ]

I don't think you've gone off the deep end at all. I have been a witness to the existence of multiple dimensions.

I was wondering if you believe in modern day incursions such as happened in Genesis.