God's Word does ""not"" teach that baptism is essential for salvation.

[BreadOfLife]

I've never claimed that baptism is "absolutely essential for salvation". It is the normative way that God has given us. God can make exceptions if He chooses to but we cannot make exceptions. To refuse baptism when it is possible is to disobey and disbelievw Jesus.

BINGO.

 

[Mungo]

He who believes and accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior are saved and will want to obey and be baptized!!

That's not what the Bible says.

 

[Truther]

All right..... You would say that if I would have died in a car accident between it, I would not be saved? And a member of Cornelius family who died between the two events would also be lost.

I would say my God is a just God.....

Yes. Nobody skips Acts 2:38...not even the President.

 

[Truther]

My doctrinal view on Acts 2:39 includes the next verse as well:
Acts 2:38-39
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you AND FOR YOUR CHILDREN and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

And, because I an NOT a Scriptural cherry-picker who reads the bible OUT of its proper context - I understand that this ALSO includes the following verses . . .

Matt. 28:19
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

John 3:5
Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of WATER and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Mark 16:16
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.

Col. 2:11-12
In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of flesh in the circumcision of Christ; and you were buried with him in BAPTISM, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead

1 Pet. 3:21
BAPTISM, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Babies cant read.

 

[Triumph1300]

So non-Christians do not go to Hell for refusing, out of invincible ignorance, a formal Baptism into the Christian Faith

Pope Benedict X!!

 

[Triumph1300]

not even the President.

lol.

Not sure why you mention him.

Anyhow, I am well aware of United Pentecostal legalism.
Don't get me going on that subject...

 

[GISMYS_7]

Learn Bible teaching Not just a verse or two that you take out of context and do not understand what the Word of God is teaching. He who believes and accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior are saved and will want to obey and be baptized!!

 

[historyb]

If water baptism was essential for salvation, why would Paul write in 1 Corinthians 1:14 "I thank God that I baptized none of you"?

That would mean that he's thanking God for not bringing converts all the way to Christ.

Yet St. Peter said in response to the question of how to be saved was to be baptized and repent. Big stinking deal you people just believe congrats so do demons, if you merely believe than your up with the demons. God does the work in baptism not man and if you don't let God bestow His grace on you than there is no salvation, period.

 

[historyb]

To refuse baptism when it is possible is to disobey and disbelieve Jesus.

Exactly and not to be saved, because if one doesn't get baptized if you can one doesn't really believe, one is just pretending.

 

[friend of]

Yet St. Peter said in response to the question of how to be saved was to be baptized and repent. Big stinking deal you people just believe congrats so do demons, if you merely believe than your up with the demons. God does the work in baptism not man and if you don't let God bestow His grace on you than there is no salvation, period.

That's nonsense. You completely miss the point. Which is thus: why would Paul give thanks that he has baptized only two people if baptism was what saved a person? That would be like Paul giving thanks for not saving anyone through faith.

 

[friend of]

Exactly and not to be saved, because if one doesn't get baptized if you can one doesn't really believe, one is just pretending.

Then you're all preaching works based salvation

 

[historyb]

Then you're all preaching works based salvation

Not at all. Baptism is not a work of an but of God. You evangelicals preached a works based Salvation that does not include things in Scripture like mere belief and nothing more as if that is all to it.

 

[historyb]

That's nonsense. You completely miss the point. Which is thus: why would Paul give thanks that he has baptized only two people if baptism was what saved a person? That would be like Paul giving thanks for not saving anyone through faith.

Repent and be Baptized. I know you people hate a lot of the Bible because it disproves your pet doctrines. You can't cheery pick like you evangelicals love to do you have to take the whole thing

 

[friend of]

Repent and be Baptized. I know you people hate a lot of the Bible because it disproves your pet doctrines. You can't cheery pick like you evangelicals love to do you have to take the whole thing

No. That verse says nothing about baptism being required for salvation.

 

[friend of]

Repent and be Baptized. I know you people hate a lot of the Bible because it disproves your pet doctrines. You can't cheery pick like you evangelicals love to do you have to take the whole thing

Are you going to engage with the scriptures I've posted or not?

 

[WaterSong]

God's Word does ""not"" teach that baptism is essential for salvation.
The proof is found in God's word--the word that has no contradictions. Clearly, salvation is by faith. For example, Rom. 5:1 states that we are justified (declared righteous) by faith. It does not say faith and baptism. If baptism were part of salvation, then it would say we were justified by faith and baptism. But it does ""not"". If justification is by faith, then it is by faith. Baptism is ""not"" faith. It is a ceremony. It is something we do as a ritual. Proof baptism does not save is the many unbelievers that get baptized to please family and friends but remain and die unbelievers and will be in hell! Furthermore, please consider the following verses which declare how we are saved.

1. Rom. 3:22, "even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction."
2. Rom. 3:26, "for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
3. Rom. 3:28, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
4. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness."
5. Baptism and John 3:5 | CARM.org
6. Rom. 5:1, "Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
7. Gal. 3:8, "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham."
8. Gal. 3:24 , "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
9. Eph. 2:8, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.

Of course salvation is by the grace of God. However, I don't think we can ever say Baptism is of no importance. Which would be what is stated when we say Baptism is not necessary to salvation.
1 Peter 3:21. What of the message from God there?

 

[historyb]

Are you going to engage with the scriptures I've posted or not?

Why when you cherry pick and don't really believe Scriptures

 

[friend of]

Just answer me this @historyb

Why would St. Paul thank God that he baptized none of those people?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Not true.
Saul called Jesus “Lord” before he was baptized, so he was saved prior to baptism.

John was baptising many Jews before Jesus Got water baptised by John, and what happened when John water Baptised Jesus, yes think about that and all, what did John say and what did Jesus go and do from then on.
Yes one must be water baptised and anyone who try's and rejects that is of Satan.

 

[WaterSong]

Just answer me this @historyb

Why would St. Paul thank God that he baptized none of those people?

1 Corinthians 1.
Because he didn't want his name exalted?