The Seed of your Righteousness

[Behold]

Rather, he very pointedly states that the flesh lusts against the spirit, and the spirit lusts against the flesh. We are conflicted, and there is no way around that fact.

Are we supposed to think we aren't born again because we perceive the lusts of our flesh?? Paul said he keeps his body in subjection . . . why? Why would he need to?

On the other hand, if you find your flesh desires for something, isn't it by trusting that you are in fact reconciled to God, and are reborn, isn't this the power over that flesh?

Much love!

Yes he says that, but he keeps going., and as i was just telling Charismatic lady....... we do live in a body, and this old adamic situation has a carnal and unrenewed mind.
Paul eventually teaches that he learned how to exist in the right mind, within right believing, and now always has VICTORY.
THose who are not in the right mind, are where Paul was, when he was talking about......that which i would not do i do, and that which i would do, i dont do.
So, he keeps going.........more verses........and he explains how to resolve that situation.
Most believers have not been taught how, and that is why they are stuck.

The reality is....our "soul realm", the natural mind and the emotions, is not born again....Its only our SPIRIT that is born again.
Did you note that the NT does not tell you to "renew your born again"?........no........of course not.
But it does tell you to "renew your MIND"., as until you do, you live in the wrong mind = wrong believing , and that is the entire problem.

So, until we change our minds, renew them into right believing, and get loose from the carnal mind, we exist born again = while living a lifestyle of committing works fo the flesh because we are living under the dominion of the law that empowers our carnality to run us, to cause us to "sin", tho for us, its really not, as its just works of the flesh.

Sinner's sin.....the non born again.
Believers, the born again, commit works or deeds of the flesh.

IF you are "under the law" you sin.
If you are "under Grace" you commit works of the Flesh.

This is one of the first things that has to be understood, because when it isn't then a believer has no idea they are a 'new creation" no longer under the dominion of the LAW, and has no idea all their sin has been resolved by Jesus on the Cross.

Here is a reality check Reader. If you are confessing sin, then you dont understand the Cross or the Blood Atonement, or your Salvation.
And if you are doing this for many years, then that is TIME WASTED LIFE WASTED and you need to learn how to stop.
"""" but what about 1 John"..
Right, what about it.
See, you have been led to believe that your Christianity is SUPPOSED TO BE....>"i sin, i confess, i feel better, i start over.....then i sin again, confess again, ......repent.....and start over".
Well that is the Devil's lie.
And if he has really hung you in it, you believe that you are keeping yourself saved, by confessing and repenting each time.
So, is that you?
Then you need to listen to my THREADS, and get FREE from the DEVIL.

So, there are a few things a born again person has to understand, these revelations must be found.....they must find the person, or the believer will just stay in the repenting confessing discipleship failure situation, and that is what the devil hopes you will do, Reader.

 

[marks]

Paul says we are to "reckon it dead".... and if it was not here, we would not need to deal with it at all.
See it?

This is a tremendous passage!!

Likewise . . . Just as Christ is dead to sin, so are we. Yes! Why does God have to tell us to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive to God? Because we don't. Simple. And why don't we? Because to us, it doesn't necessarily look like we are! Again, simple! And why wouldn't it look like we are? Because our perceptions are fooling us. This is all so simple. Why do our perceptions fool us? Because we see something that looks different from what is true. Continues simple. What do we see that isn't true that fools us? The appearance of not being dead to sin. And why would it appear that we aren't dead to sin? Because there is something about us that continues in the sinful way.

And what does the Bible tell us to do about this situation? Believe that what God says, and not what we see, is true. Reckon ourselves dead to sin, though it may look like we're not, and alive unto God.

And be it to you according to your faith!

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Hi Behold,

OnE small comment on this . . .

As you likely know I think this same way. I reviewed the places where God speaks of sin, and was reminded that "all that is not of faith is sin", I would still have to say, works of the flesh done by the Born Again, are still called sin, because they do not originate in faith, just the same, we are not guilty, not being under Law.

Just the same, I think very strongly that there is still a lot of confusion in many people's minds on this, and your point is not lost!

Much love!

All that is not of faith...... this is specific. This is not murder, or fornication, or renting an "R" rated movie on Netflix, 90 times a month.

God is making a point here about BELIEF. He is speaking of the sin of UNBELIEF.

Its like this.. A person does not go to hell for a lifetime of sinning, tho most pulpits will teach you this nonsense..
But rather, a person hits the Great White Throne @Revelation 20:11, because of only one sin.
The sin of UNBELIEF......specific to "CHRIST REJECTION">

See, this sin, is the damning sin. This sin is the unpardonable sin. This sin is why John 3:36 shows you the current FATE of all "UNBELIEF", as this is the only SIN that sends you to the Lake of Fire.

So, that is why God only speaks of "BELIEF"< or "not of FAITH">

In the same context..... you find deceived believers worrying about "works" and "enduring", and "holding on to their faith"....
While God once again points to only one WORK, that HE Accepts.....just like He is talking about "faithlessness" as this one Sin, which is Unbelief.

God's only required WORK for a believer to be accepted and kept accepted forever is "the WORK OF GOD, is to BELIEVE on the ONE Whom GOD Sent"..

Now, tie those together, and you have the revelation.
Tie together the "faith" issue and the "work", and you'll see the context of God's point.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Read those quotes again. It's there.

marks said: ↑
For instance . . . This idea that the born again Christian will never commit a sin attacks to the heart of every true Christian who understands the reality that our flesh remains corrupt until it is redeemed, and who recognizes that even though we are so very much improved over what we were, to say the least, yet still, the flesh lusts against the spirit, and the spirit lusts against the flesh. We remain in that conflict until the redemption of the body. And to deny this reality is in my opinion a mistake.

marks said: ↑
Circumcision of the heart is, I think, accomplished by our justification. In our death in Christ, we are forever separated from our past sins, and from our corrupted flesh. And in our resurrection in Christ, we are recreated a new being, the spirit child of God, who is now in God's very pattern, righteous, and truly holy, and so will never be charged with sin.


So which is it?

Our flesh remains corrupt, and we are not our flesh. Is this more clear?

Much love!

The word, flesh, has two meanings, so if you are saying that we are forever separated from our old carnal sinful nature, called the flesh, and taken on a new nature from God and we partake of the divine nature, I agree. And then our body is also called flesh, and this shell will die eventually and must also put on immortality, then I agree too.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Romans 7

Paul speaking :

"""""For the good that I would..... I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but SIN that dwelleth in me.


So, charismaticlady, does that verse help you ?
See, i teach Paul. Pauline Theology
I dont pretend to teach it, i actually teach it.
I know what it is, and i know how to teach it.

So, as i was saying....we, the born again, are not our flesh.....we are not our old nature... we are not the "other members" that the "sin dwells within".
But the issue is, its still here, even tho it is crucified with Christ.
Paul says we are to "reckon it dead".... and if it was not here, we would not need to deal with it at all.
See it?
So, what we have to do, is recognize who we really are, and live in this Right Mind.
We are 'new Creations" "in Christ". That is our eternal Identity if we are born again.
This is what Paul discovered, when He stopped trying to resist his adamic nature, and instead began to rest in God's Grace, which then allowed Jesus to """" "always gives me the Victory""".... Paul teaches.
Thats what i teach.
Paul teaches that we are to stop living the sinning and confessing and repenting life, and to understand HOW.
That is what i teach, also.
Its funny that you thought this was "gnostic"..when in fact its 2000 yr old Pauline Theology, also taught by Jude.
Its new to you, and to most believers, because you have had really bad teachers, and belong to really bad denominations.

But you dont have to stay there.
Thats the good news.

Sin no longer dwelt in Paul. Read his conclusion in Romans 8:2 ...has FREED ME from SIN and death.

 

[Behold]

This is a tremendous passage!!

Likewise . . . Just as Christ is dead to sin, so are we.

Jesus on the Cross became our sin.
He bore it, and not just ours, but the sin of the world.
On that Cross, the Law was dealt with and our sin and "old man" was resolved.

When we "reckon" our "old man" to be dead, we are really just agreeing with "the finished work of Jesus on the Cross".
So, if you teach this, dont teach it as trying to strive to put it away.....but rather, teach it as "its put away, now SEE IT THAT WAY".
See, its always about RIGHT BELIEVING..
This is how we operate as "walking IN The Spirit".

For example.....to put away your flesh.......is to understand that its has been, and to believe this, = is how you put it away.

Everything with God, is FAITH.....is BELIEVING.......as that is the Spiritual Kingdom Principle that operates...that RUNS the Kingdom of God.

Did you note the verse says.....>"without Faith it is impossible to PLEASE GOD"?
Yet most pulpits and most popes teach that you please God by trying to be GOOD.


ahhhhhhh......

 

[marks]

Sin no longer dwelt in Paul. Read his conclusion in Romans 8:2 ...has FREED ME from SIN and death.

Freed . . . but not disincarnate.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Sin no longer dwelt in Paul. Read his conclusion in Romans 8:2 ...has FREED ME from SIN and death.

And had you actually read my first 50 Threads, where i was teaching that "there is no Sin in Christ", and we are In Christ, then you would not have been arguing against what i was teaching.
At that time, you thought this was "gnostic" teaching, when the reality is, its basic NT doctrine.
Now you agree with it.
Good for you.

 

[marks]

Did you note the verse says.....>"without Faith it is impossible to PLEASE GOD"?
Yet most pulpits and most popes teach that you please God by trying to be GOOD.

And faith in God means not faith in myself.

Accepted in the Beloved means exactly that!

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Freed . . . but not disincarnate.

Much love!

Not sure how you are using disincarnate.

 

[Behold]

Sin no longer dwelt in Paul. Read his conclusion in Romans 8:2 ...has FREED ME from SIN and death.

And again..
Being Freed from sin, is more then no longer sinning, it's actually to understand that Jesus Became our Sin, our sin is GONE, and that solves it.

A Christian, is the born again part. Its not the Flesh.
The born again Part, is "one" with God, and "in Christ".
There is no SIN in Christ, and all the born again are In Christ.
See my first month of Thread's i wrote, for an update, as apparently you are ready to receive.
I hope so.

 

[Behold]

And faith in God means not faith in myself.

Accepted in the Beloved means exactly that!

Much love!

Salvation is Jesus. If you have Him inside you, thats it.
Salvation is the BLood of Jesus. If that has been applied to you by God, then....thats it.

"Thats it" = final answer. And both of those are a GIFT from God, that you can't earn, and you can't keep.

Philippians 1:6

 

[marks]

Sin no longer dwelt in Paul. Read his conclusion in Romans 8:2 ...has FREED ME from SIN and death.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

^ This is all past tense.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

^ This is all present tense.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

"Now then"

Now then it is no more I . . .

It's no more me, and that's now.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

And had you actually read my first 50 Threads, where i was teaching that "there is no Sin in Christ", and we are In Christ, then you would not have been arguing against what i was teaching.
At that time, you thought this was "gnostic" teaching, when the reality is, its basic NT doctrine.
Now you agree with it.
Good for you.

I've read some of your posts, and don't agree with what your take of no sin in Christ seems to be.

What Scripture doesn't mean is that what used to be sin if committed, is no longer a sin if committed; rather than we used to commit sin, but as a Christian we don't do the same things we committed as an unbeliever.

 

[marks]

Not sure how you are using disincarnate.

We are not living apart from our flesh.

As He is, so are we in this world. We are the spirit children of God incarnated into the flesh of our old man. We still live in our flesh bodies, but the flesh no longer has any power over us.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

^ This is all past tense.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

^ This is all present tense.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

"Now then"

Now then it is no more I . . .

It's no more me, and that's now.

Much love!

I see it as a whole from 14-23 and 25. I do not see 15-17 as being freed from sin.

 

[CharismaticLady]

We are not living apart from our flesh.

As He is, so are we in this world. We are the spirit children of God incarnated into the flesh of our old man. We still live in our flesh bodies, but the flesh no longer has any power over us.

Much love!

Which flesh of the two definitions between nature and body?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Leaving to fold more laundry...

 

[Behold]

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

^ This is all present tense.



"Now then"

Now then it is no more I . . .

It's no more me, and that's now.

Much love!

Actually what you posted was Paul talking about the wrong believing Paul...the one that didn't understand yet how to have "always gives me the Victory".
He goes on to teach what he came to understand, and in that right believing, he later, and now will teach you, that you can always have Victory, that Jesus will always give you the victory, once you come to the place of Right Believing.

Paul was showing the effect of his behavior, when he was trying to strive against sin by will, and this put him under the Law's dominion.

Later, when he stopped striving and began to rest in right understanding regarding God's Grace, He was delivered from the dominion of the law and into the place of constant VICTORY..

 

[marks]

Salvation is Jesus. If you have Him inside you, thats it.
Salvation is the BLood of Jesus. If that has been applied to you by God, then....thats it.

"Thats it" = final answer. And both of those are a GIFT from God, that you can't earn, and you can't keep.

Philippians 1:6

This is something I go over with my wife frequently.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.

IF SO BE . . . that you are faithful . . . that you don't sin . . . that you think well of yourself . . . that others think well of you . . . that . . . NO!!!!!!!

IF SO BE . . . that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Final answer!!



Much love!