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Please tell us what you know about the investigative judgment (only one "e").
Uh, besides what you googled just today.
My cousin was an adventist . and many years back i had visited those churches .
There is a form of godliness there , but the truth gets denied . I mean they have certain parts smack down right
Far better than even most in mainstream . AND yet they have some of the deadliest lies that will even damn the soul that cleaves to them .
 

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It is time we return to the mindset the early church had . The ones i KNOW followed JESUS like the twelve .
And then paul , who later would be converted as well .
There is a moutain of glorious truth to be learned in that bible . And i suggest with great love we enter back into that book
and learn for ourselves . I say this not because every one who teaches is false , But man we got so many decievers
and its all out tough to find one in mainstream that does keep to the simple rightly divided and glorious truth of that bible .
Now , were we not all warned how it would look , specially as the time draws ever close unto the end .
Massive falling away is going on , and worse its going on in the name of a false all inclusive love which hollers for a deadly kind of unity .
 
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How can one discern those who truly follow Christ versus those who think they follow Christ , yet follow men they do .
Its real easy .
A follower of JESUS will preach HIM a follower of men will preach their religion .
What we love is what we hold too and speak .
Many preach their indoctrination , their religion for that is their heart .
Few will teach Jesus and the bible and expound on This alone .
An example .
Lets use the adventists . You gonna hear all the time about the sabbath
about the not eating of meats and drinks , about ellen .
I wish folks had that kind of zeal for JESUS and the bible . THE WORLD could be hearing so much glorious truth , if only , yes
If only folks had stuck to the simplicity in Christ . But many teach their religion , jehovas , adventists
rome , and emergent and prosperity and nar and the list goes on and on .
 

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That's not exactly what I said. It is the city as well as the god whose idol sits in the harbor overlooking the city.

What is your specific objection to this idea?
Specifically..."loosely based on the Bible"... The idea completely ignores far greater and more obvious candidates. Based on your evidence, one could name a dozen cities around the world. London is a more important financial hub than New York. Nashville has a goddess far more impressive than miss liberty. And the temple to go with her. How about Rio de Janeiro... They've got that monstrous false Jesus on the mountain top... Oh no, has to be female. How many goddesses does the city of Rome have... Marys must be everywhere right? Sorry, I'm not trying to mock you. But there are rules of interpretation if followed, lead to logical and biblical answers negating the need for guesswork.
 
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Here lets rewrite it . Because i tell you in truth that the sda follows ellen whites teachings . Very dangerous things that lil lady did teach .
And as always they gonna teach some truths , yet the lies abound within her teachings .
Well I've been a Seventh-day Adventist for over 30 years, and I can assure you that what Adventists follow are the teachings of the Bible, including the Investigative Judgment which, you seem to have admitted by not answering the question, you know little, if anything, about. That kinda makes your judgment of it being a false teaching a bit hollow. Ellen White is just a hammer to evangelicals with which they seem to love bashing Adventists over the head. If you don't have any facts to support your claims, it would be kind of you to refrain from spamming the thread with accusative opinions.
 

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This sounds great, but you STILL have not identified specifically ALL the commandments that you believe a Christian must keep! You are talking in circles and purposely obfuscating the truth about SDA doctrine. I've never known you to be so evasive! What's up with you??
I said previously. No-one can attain salvation through obeying the Commandments. But you want to know what Commandments we should keep after we are converted? Whatever Commandment God convicts you on. I suggest you start here.
KJV Exodus 20:1-17
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
 
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How can one discern those who truly follow Christ versus those who think they follow Christ , yet follow men they do .
Its real easy .
A follower of JESUS will preach HIM a follower of men will preach their religion .
What we love is what we hold too and speak .
Many preach their indoctrination , their religion for that is their heart .
Few will teach Jesus and the bible and expound on This alone .
An example .
Lets use the adventists . You gonna hear all the time about the sabbath
about the not eating of meats and drinks , about ellen .
I wish folks had that kind of zeal for JESUS and the bible . THE WORLD could be hearing so much glorious truth , if only , yes
If only folks had stuck to the simplicity in Christ . But many teach their religion , jehovas , adventists
rome , and emergent and prosperity and nar and the list goes on and on .
Christ is the Word made flesh. Let's hear about Jesus from you. Keep in mind that the Word of God in English contains 3/4 million words. The Gospel is simple, but God is multi-faceted and intricate beyond our imagination. He has chosen how much of Himself to reveal to us--not you. So let's hear about Jesus from you. :)

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. (Luke 24:27)
 

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@amigo de christo

Speaking of Jesus, did you know, for example, that He is the Stone that destroys the earthly kingdoms and sets up His own, and that we are now in the time of the feet of iron and clay? Do you know what the feet of iron and clay represent? These are some of the things Christ might have told the sorrowful men on the road to Emmaus.

Daniel 2
34Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
 

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Ah, the genetic fallacy--if it is ____________ it must be bad.
I have not watched your videos, but on the SDA, my main complaint against SDA forum posters has been their commonly very lengthy posts. I am not against their content because seldom [if ever] have I taken the time or had the patience to read them with understanding. I am a slow reader and when reading something like that [in depth with many references to scripture, etc.] I would need to know that my time and concentration investment was worthwhile. As it is I never get caught up with the many projects, including Bible reading and Bible studies, for which I now use my time.

However, the general impressions I have had of the SDA doctrines been quite good. I always try to ignore anyone's general unsupported description of them or the Catholics or the JWs or the Mormons and so forth as a cult. I don't call any group a cult because of the often very unfair negative conclusions drawn. Having spent 11 years as a tongue talking tongue holy roller among the Oneness Jesus Only Pentecostals I have had that label, cult, applied to where I was as well...

The primary thing which I have heard by people against the SDA is about the Sabbath versus Sunday thing. I don't favor Sunday worship over any other days. I never have. Neither have I ever head a good simple explanation as to why a person should give recognition or honor to the Sabbath [Saturday or... Friday night at dusk to Saturday night at dusk] instead of any other day. Why set aside any one day at all? I certainly see where the people, the natural children of Israel/Jacob actually living during the times of the OT following Moses, Joshua and others with the written books and the Aaronic priests were on it... but now and why us?
 

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I have not watched your videos, but on the SDA, my main complaint against SDA forum posters has been their commonly very lengthy posts. I am not against their content because seldom [if ever] have I taken the time or had the patience to read them with understanding. I am a slow reader and when reading something like that [in depth with many references to scripture, etc.] I would need to know that my time and concentration investment was worthwhile. As it is I never get caught up with the many projects, including Bible reading and Bible studies, for which I now use my time.

However, the general impressions I have had of the SDA doctrines been quite good. I always try to ignore anyone's general unsupported description of them or the Catholics or the JWs or the Mormons and so forth as a cult. I don't call any group a cult because of the often very unfair negative conclusions drawn. Having spent 11 years as a tongue talking tongue holy roller among the Oneness Jesus Only Pentecostals I have had that label, cult, applied to where I was as well...

The primary thing which I have heard by people against the SDA is about the Sabbath versus Sunday thing. I don't favor Sunday worship over any other days. I never have. Neither have I ever head a good simple explanation as to why a person should give recognition or honor to the Sabbath [Saturday or... Friday night at dusk to Saturday night at dusk] instead of any other day. Why set aside any one day at all? I certainly see where the people, the natural children of Israel/Jacob actually living during the times of the OT following Moses, Joshua and others with the written books and the Aaronic priests were on it... but now and why us?
To be fair, my friend, you're no stranger to the occasional dose of verbosity yourself, you know. Or maybe it just seems that way because you use large print. :) I must admit, we have a tendency to be long-winded. I think that subconsciously, we feel that our stuff is a hard sell and, let's face it, slashes brutally across the grain of the modern western lifestyle. So again, largely subconsciously, we figure if we yell it loud enough, long enough, and often enough it'll stick to something or somebody. I'm just tryin' to be transparent, I guess. :rolleyes: (directed at myself--I have a latent fear/guilt of being disingenuous.)

I definitely express myself differently in writing than I do verbally. I suppose most people do. :cool:
 

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I have not watched your videos, but on the SDA, my main complaint against SDA forum posters has been their commonly very lengthy posts. I am not against their content because seldom [if ever] have I taken the time or had the patience to read them with understanding. I am a slow reader and when reading something like that [in depth with many references to scripture, etc.] I would need to know that my time and concentration investment was worthwhile. As it is I never get caught up with the many projects, including Bible reading and Bible studies, for which I now use my time.

However, the general impressions I have had of the SDA doctrines been quite good. I always try to ignore anyone's general unsupported description of them or the Catholics or the JWs or the Mormons and so forth as a cult. I don't call any group a cult because of the often very unfair negative conclusions drawn. Having spent 11 years as a tongue talking tongue holy roller among the Oneness Jesus Only Pentecostals I have had that label, cult, applied to where I was as well...

The primary thing which I have heard by people against the SDA is about the Sabbath versus Sunday thing. I don't favor Sunday worship over any other days. I never have. Neither have I ever head a good simple explanation as to why a person should give recognition or honor to the Sabbath [Saturday or... Friday night at dusk to Saturday night at dusk] instead of any other day. Why set aside any one day at all? I certainly see where the people, the natural children of Israel/Jacob actually living during the times of the OT following Moses, Joshua and others with the written books and the Aaronic priests were on it... but now and why us?
Oh, by the way, the Sabbath thing is pretty simple. It's one of the ten commandments. And putting a temporary ceremonial statute right in the middle of what is obviously a moral code seems like a dirty trick that a loving God just wouldn't pull. ???

The Sabbath/Sunday debate is largely over as far as protestants go. But if you know much about Adventists you know that we interpret the Bible as prophesying that the debate is going to come raging to the forefront just before Jesus returns.
 

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My sheep hear my voice.

So what is He saying for this age?

Let me get that for you...

Revelation 14
6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.


9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


This is the warning message from Heaven for this time.
 

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The only looseness is in your own observation of Adventist theology. I know of no Adventist on any forum afraid to discuss in depth any theological aspect of adventism. Buy plenty of non Adventists who only want to read the headlines and focus on sound bites fed to them by our enemies.
This is good and applies to others, I believe, as well as to supporters/ believers in the essence of SDA!
Please tell us what you know about the investigative judgment (only one "e").
Uh, besides what you googled just today.
British versus American spellings. Some of the spellings in the KJV of the Bible use spellings still common in the UK but not in the USA.
 

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To be fair, my friend, you're no stranger to the occasional dose of verbosity yourself, you know. Or maybe it just seems that way because you use large print. :) I must admit, we have a tendency to be long-winded. I think that subconsciously, we feel that our stuff is a hard sell and, let's face it, slashes brutally across the grain of the modern western lifestyle. So again, largely subconsciously, we figure if we yell it loud enough, long enough, and often enough it'll stick to something or somebody. I'm just tryin' to be transparent, I guess. :rolleyes: (directed at myself--I have a latent fear/guilt of being disingenuous.)

I definitely express myself differently in writing than I do verbally. I suppose most people do. :cool:
Fair is fair and you are right, but so am I....LOL. It is good that we can both be right, is it not?
 
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British versus American spellings. Some of the spellings in the KJV of the Bible use spellings still common in the UK but not in the USA.
I like the way Lt. Commander Phillip Queeg (Humphrey Bogart--my old favorite) put it in "The Caine Mutiny":
"The right way, the wrong way, the Navy's way, and MY way."
Trouble is, I'm not the Skipper of this tub. (Thank heavens) :D
 
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Oh, by the way, the Sabbath thing is pretty simple. It's one of the ten commandments. And putting a temporary ceremonial statute right in the middle of what is obviously a moral code seems like a dirty trick that a loving God just wouldn't pull. ???

The Sabbath/Sunday debate is largely over as far as protestants go. But if you know much about Adventists you know that we interpret the Bible as prophesying that the debate is going to come raging to the forefront just before Jesus returns.
Thanks for the short and simple. I still don't really understand the need for me, but it's been years since it might have meant much to me. As I said, I have never favored a Sunday mandate for an OT type of Sabbath observance. The Sunday thing for me was simply that it was the day that most people had off if they only had one day off per week. It was therefore a convenient day for a church service when most people were off work. Actually however, so many people now also have Saturday off my own explanation doesn't hold much water either. I remember attending a church where the Sunday morning services normally lasted 4-5 hours going until 2 or 3 in the PM. Most places due usually I suppose to the pressure of people decided that their services must break up no later than 12 noon. Is it the Lord's Day when scarcely an hour of it is devoted to Him... and many people had trouble focusing on Him for even the hour...