If you want to stop sinning.

[Hidden In Him]

Different sacrifices . . . some shared in fellowship, eaten together with God, but the sin offering is burned outside, and that's where we go, Outside. But we eat from an altar that they cannot.

They have their offerings and sacrifices, we don't share them, but they don't share ours.

Ok, point taken, LoL. After further examination you're correct : )

But now, going back to where I originally made reference to it, do you support Behold's contention that Hebrews 13:9 should be interpreted as applying to the teaching of "the meat of the word"? (Post #117).

 

[marks]

But now, going back to where I originally made reference to it, do you support Behold's contention that Hebrews 13:9 should be interpreted as applying to the teaching of "the meat of the word"? (Post #117).

It's what I would say, it preaches well. The basic meaning of the passage, imo, it what I've outlined, at least, that's how I see it.

But I think there are many people who get all tripped up on doctrines having failed to become established on grace.

Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

It's what I would say, it preaches well.

Ok. We'd have to disagree on that one. I'm a stickler for keeping things pretty close to the cuff when it comes to interpretation, and that goes beyond the limits of proper application to me, i.e. without distorting the meaning somewhat.

But maybe we can discuss passages that do tend more towards the message you are talking about in the future.

God bless,
- H

 

[marks]

Ok. We'd have to disagree on that one. I'm a stickler for keeping things pretty close to the cuff when it comes to interpretation, and that goes beyond the limits of proper application to me, i.e. without distorting the meaning somewhat.

But maybe we can discuss passages that do tend more towards the message you are talking about in the future.

God bless,
- H

That's what I mean when I say, it preaches well. I don't really do that myself. I think you've gotta know I hold as tight to the Word as possible.

Meanwhile, what passages did you have in mind?

Much love!

 

[n2thelight]

No, it like this.....

"once born again, ALWAYS born again".

What does it mean to be born again ?

 

[Behold]

When I came to Christ I was dead, spirit and soul. I was born again instantly in my spirit and I am receiving the goal of my faith, the salvation of my soul. Peace, brother.

God has already redeemed you, so you have "received the atonement", = born again.
You dont work for that, as "the finished work of Jesus on the Cross", is the "blood atonement".

Salvation is finished 2000 yrs ago.
Its not a process.
Its a "gift".
John 3:16


-Peace

 

[Behold]

why should we follow him.

Why should you follow Paul?

1.) Jesus gave to Paul all the doctrine of the Church. Christ chose Paul for this purpose, took him aside, and the end result is that the NT is nearly all written by Paul.

The reason we understand the "Gospel" as "justification by Faith" is because Paul gives this to the Church, as it was given to HIM by CHRIST.

So, maybe you can realize this at some point. ??

You could also turn to the 2 Epistles that Peter wrote, and note that Peter said of Paul's letters, in that day, that they were "scripture", equal to the TORAH.
And that, 101g, is an Apostle proclaiming that Paul's letters, in that day, are equal to the Torah.

You could also, do what the NT tells you to do, when Paul said...>"be a follower of me, as i follow Christ"..

Or, you could continue on your way, doing your own thing, paying no attention to what actually matters most.

I'll let you decide that one.

 

[Behold]

You do not sin and repent - repeatedly?
You do not experience anger on a regular basis?
You do not judge people every day?
You do not trust your future to your own accumulation of money?
You do not lock your doors to prevent someone from stealing your belongings?

You do not sin and repent - repeatedly?


No, i actually dont.



You do not experience anger on a regular basis?


Seldom, but sometimes i feel the frustration of a Teacher, which is related to the Call.



You do not judge people every day?


No, i mostly love and Teach.
But when i judge, i do this....>"he that is Spiritual judgeth all things"....
"you shall know them (judge them) by their fruit".


You do not trust your future to your own accumulation of money?

I dont live for money, and i dont chase money.
God is my Supply, and its "God who gives me the power to accumulate wealth" "according to His riches in Glory", according to "everything i set my hands to, is blessed".

All this is "the Favor of God" = "seek God first and all these THINGS shall be added to you"..(to your life). "As God knows what you have need of".



You do not lock your doors to prevent someone from stealing your belongings?

No, i do not lock them to keep people from stealing my goods.
I lock them because the world is the devil's domain and realizing this is to use common sense.
See, you have to not only be spiritual, you have to be smart and use logic.
If you exist as a fool who is "stuck on stupid" then your life will be the life of hardship and ruin.

 

[Behold]

Behold, I truly appreciate that you love the word of God. I do. I'm glad for that and I encourage you in it. And I don't like coming off like some sort of Bible tyrant who's going to whittle everything you or anyone else says down to nothing.
- H

You have a much higher opinion of what you are able to do, the you have the depth of spirituality to be able to do it.
You have enlisted sarcarm as your main presentation, and this is always what happens when a person does not have anything else to offer.
I meet a lot of people like you, and the worst is when someone like you is a Mod.
That is always the worst case situation....... A sarcastic legalist, Mod.

You are the most common type that exists on forums.
A lot of talk, a lot of resistance, who needs to be heard.
Ok, we heard you.

 

[Behold]

Saboteur is right!

@Behold posted,I'm sorry, but no where do you point to a place in the NT that tells us whether "Paul and Barnabas ever got it back together". We may well surmise that they did, but that's not what you are "so your assessment is reproved"-ing.

I guess this means now you have been reproved?

Much love!

What?

I said that the NT does not tell us if Paul and Barnabas ever reconciled.

I didn't surmise that they did, i assume they didn't....and i said the NT does not ever say anything about it.
You even quoted me saying the NT does not tell us....

 

[Behold]

What does it mean to be born again ?

Go here..

Understanding : Born Again.

 

[Brakelite]

So, i think you are saying that you believe that keeping commandments saves you and keeps you saved.

Then I'm probably the only Christian who would dare suggest such a thing. I've certainly never heard anyone suggest that in all my 45 years of Christian faith.

 

[marks]

What?

I said that the NT does not tell us if Paul and Barnabas ever reconciled.

I didn't surmise that they did, i assume they didn't....and i said the NT does not ever say anything about it.
You even quoted me saying the NT does not tell us....

I'm saying someone can make an argument that they did, or for that matter didn't, only, there isn't a place in the Bible that says it one way or the other. So each can reach their own conclusions, we all have our opinions I think.

It's this notion that someone would substitute their opinion in saying the Bible tells us this, and then uses that opinion to claim they are reproving someone based on the Scripture, well, let's just say, that says a lot to me about how that person handles Scripture.

I think it's important for me to be able say, "I'm assuming this . . .", as oppose to, "the Bibles says this", when in fact it doesn't, though we may conclude it's true.

Does that make any sense at all? I feel I'm fishing for words here!



Much love!

 

[Hidden In Him]

Meanwhile, what passages did you have in mind?

Much love!

Nothing right now, brother.

But you can rest assured I'll be tagging you in the future, as I'm starting to really enjoy discussing the word together : )

 

[Hidden In Him]

You have a much higher opinion of what you are able to do, the you have the depth of spirituality to be able to do it.

Ok. Then for now, I guess the rest of whatever your post said is above my head, LoL (stopped reading here).

As per my previous post above, Marks is someone who is normally pretty polite, and I find his responses thought-provoking on occasion. No offense, but I haven't encountered that with yours too often, and since you're starting out with a statement like that (whatever in the world it was I said), I'm not particularly inclined to continue whatever discussion we were having for now.

God bless, and hope you have a wonderful evening.
- H

 

[marks]

Nothing right now, brother.

But you can rest assured I'll be tagging you in the future, as I'm starting to really enjoy discussing the word together : )

How nice!!

I'm enjoying it too!!

Much love!

 

[n2thelight]

Go here..

Understanding : Born Again.

Went there, however that's not what it means . Born again should read, born from above.

 

[Behold]

Then I'm probably the only Christian who would dare suggest such a thing. I've certainly never heard anyone suggest that in all my 45 years of Christian faith.

Time to wake up then.

Let me explain..

Gather the usual group of self saving legalist you find on this forum, everyday, and ask then "how do you lose your salvation".

They will all give you a certain "do" or "dont do"....that they are keeping as a self effort, that is their self righteous means of trying not to go to hell.
See, when you try not to go to hell, by keeping a list of DO's and DONT DO's, then your LIST has replaced Jesus, and has become your savior.

So, on this list you will find here, among the Legalists, is "commandment keeping".
Its one of the most common that the self saver is trusting to get them into heaven, as long as they keep them...is what they believe.

So, do you believe that if you don't keep the commandments, you can't go to heaven?
So, its like that..
JUST LIKE .....that.

 

[Behold]

You may be as sinless as you aver, but you are still sinning.

No, i don't live in that type of discipleship, Matt.
If you do, it because you believe you are supposed to be a sinning and confessing Christian, and whomever led you into that devil's theology is not your friend and certainly is not the one you should following.

Paul also didnt live as a "sinning christian".... and neither does any Saint of God who exists "in Christ" according to not living under the dominion of the Law.
You have to get out from under that, to live righteously., or you wont., because you can't.

See, when a Saint stops living as a striving struggling sinning born again Christian , then its only because they have learned how to exist as Walking in the Spirit, which is to exist in the Mind of Christ= in their mind of FAITH... as RIGHT BELIEVING.

 

[Behold]

I'm saying someone can make an argument that they did, or for that matter didn't, only, there isn't a place in the Bible that says it one way or the other. So each can reach their own conclusions, we all have our opinions I think.

It's this notion that someone would substitute their opinion in saying the Bible tells us this, and then uses that opinion to claim they are reproving someone based on the Scripture, well, let's just say, that says a lot to me about how that person handles Scripture.

I think it's important for me to be able say, "I'm assuming this . . .", as oppose to, "the Bibles says this", when in fact it doesn't, though we may conclude it's true.Does that make any sense at all? I feel I'm fishing for words here!



Much love!

Yes i see your point, perfectly, Brother.

Here is what we do know about the Paul and Barnabas issue that was related to John....

We know the when Paul was telling Timothy in 2 Tim 4, to bring Mark......its obvious that whatever the issue was that Paul would not accept early on,....had been resolved, or he'd not have asked Timothy to bring Mark to him.
So, we see that Paul and Mark are just fine, but Barnabas is missing in action for at least 20 yrs....

The Good news is, .. once we get to heaven, we can talk to Demas, and Mark, and Paul, and Barnabas, and find out all about what they did, and why, and how it all turned out.