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Ferris Bueller
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Read my post! I'm saying 2 Corinthians 7:1 negates what you think Romans 7:17 means. Your interpretation is what is negated by the verse I quoted. That's what I said in my post.
I'm simply quoting what he wrote, and this verse doesn't say something different.
The fruit of the Spirit is self-control. We work out what He is working in.
"Having therefore these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God."
"It is no more I, but sin that lives in me."
There is no conflict or contradiction here, each may be read and understood in their plain sense. The plain meaning of the Scripture.
Much love!
Ferris Bueller
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You mean I would sound like this?
“We are safe”—safe to do all these detestable things?
I'm pretty sure trusting in the blood means not doing detestable things, because you have been set free from them. That's grace. But you say grace is being able to safely do detestable things.....
Jeremiah 7:9-10
9“ ‘Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury, a burn incense to Baal and follow other gods you have not known, 10and then come and stand before me in this house, which bears my Name, and say, “We are safe”—safe to do all these detestable things?
9“ ‘Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury, a burn incense to Baal and follow other gods you have not known, 10and then come and stand before me in this house, which bears my Name, and say, “We are safe”—safe to do all these detestable things?
You say grace makes it so we can come and stand before God in this house, which bears his name, and say, "We are safe"—safe to do all these detestable things. God has a different message. You haven't been hearing that message.
Ferris Bueller
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Then, according to your interpretation and teaching, why is the spirit defiled and not just the flesh?
And will you? Disown Him, that is?
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, He cannot deny Himself.
Much love!
Ferris Bueller
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Read 1 John 3. WE know that WE have passed from death to life. 1 John 3:14.To others.
God already knows!
Much love!
I'm quoting this passage.
Deal with it.
This is the passage, not me, the Bible:
Romans 7:14-25
14) For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19) For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Simple statements of Scripture, repeated for your benefit.
And in complete harmony with the rest of God's teaching about the new creation, and justification.
It is no more I, but sin that lives in me.
This continues the teaching from chapter 6 about our justification. Arguably the most important chapters in the Bible for the new covenant Bible teacher to understand in detail are Romans 4-8.
Much love!
No, I'm saying what James was talking about. God knows whether or not He has justified us. Other people only see what we do, as James points out.
Much love!
Your theology is that as long as you keep believing, God keeps you saved.
The issue with that theology is that it denies the Grace of God.
"self saving" theology always denies the finished work of Jesus, and tries to replace it with "see what im doing to keep myself saved".
Ferris Bueller
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I've been saying this all along—the Christ rejecting unbeliever is the one whom God denies. That's why you have to continue to believe. If you don't, God will deny you. Because you're unbeliever.
By virtue of your denial of Christ you no longer belong to him that he should have some kind of obligation to not deny you and remain faithful to you. Christ deniers are the one's who get denied. Weak, unfaithful believers who cheat on their taxes and get angry and get impatient because they're scared, they are held fast by Christ. No one can touch them. They're believers. You have to get through big brother Jesus to get to them. But the unbeliever who has rejected big brother Jesus has no protection of big brother Jesus. The Christ rejecter doesn't belong to the family and household of Christ.
Hebrews 3:6
6But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.
6But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.
Maybe @Behold will see the truth about this and stop teaching people they can reject Christ in unbelief and still belong to the family of God and be saved when Jesus comes back.
Ferris Bueller
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Ferris Bueller
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You mean detestable things like try to cause real born again people to believe they can lose their salvation?
Or detestable things like argue against the Grace of God on a "christian" forum, by teaching that you are trying to save yourself by holding unto your faith, instead of believing that once you are born again you are always born again?
So, yeah, i agree that this is detestable behavior.
Listen....the Christ rejecting person, is only one type, and they are not born again.
If you are born again, you have not rejected Christ., as proven by being born again.
If later, you die in unbelief, then you died born again, in unbelief.
THis is not the same as dying lost, or unforgiven..
Try to understand Ferris, that the sin of unbelief, is paid for just like all other sins, if you are born again.
The only time Christ rejection is not covered by the blood of Jesus, is if you die having never been born again.
No.
Believing, is why God gives you the "gift of Righteousness" and this is why you are "made righteous".
Listen.
Abraham BELIEVED GOD.......and this faith was accepted, as righteousness.
IN our case, God justifies us, by our faith, ONCE...and forever.......which is sealed by being born again.
Your self righteous theology, is trying to teach that being born again, is sustained by faith.
And that's utterly self righteous, fella.
As BEING born again, is not caused by Faith, its cause by the HOLY SPIRIT that imparts the new birth.
God accepts your faith ONCE< to do that.......for every believer.
Thats a fact.
Take a look at those Christ rejecting Hebrews, in 10:26 who were never born again.
Paul is burning them with the truth, and they are burning within their hatred of Christ, standing there, as lost Jews who were never saved.
This same is found in Acts 28..... the last 10 verses.
Same type, same Christ rejecting Hebrews......none born again, all refusing their Messiah.
Same apostle Paul trying to deal with them.
Same end result.
We have Abraham for such a clear example. Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness. And how? In circumcision? Before.
Much love!
