I was right with you until the last sentence. It's a testimony of salvation, not salvation itself. I have been to a church where the pastor overemphasized baptism. I feel it's a dangerous path. It leads to some believing in a ritualistic act for their salvation. Only the death and resurrection of Christ saves.
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That's what I explained to you folks.
Because you don't understand the basics, you teach the book of Romans to the unsaved sinners that it does not apply to.
Eternally Grateful
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This just hurt your case even worse, I would not admit stuff like this. I would instead start to study the word, start with Romans 1. Written to unbelievers to let them know they have no excuse,
Poor thing.
They buried you alive.
That must have been dreadful.
Kinda strange being buried with Christ AFTER being risen at an earlier time, huh?
No, I get wet every night.
But having the name of Jesus Christ invoked for the remission of my sins while being immersed in water was a one time event for me.
Yes, that's why Paul commanded others to perform water baptism's for the remission of sins in the name of Jesus Christ.
He was a busy man preaching and teaching, leaving his disciples to do the baptisms.
Ok, but saying words over you did not save you. Grace plus faith did.
Let's see....
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
...just as I thought, written to saints, not sinners.
Specifically, faith in the spoken name of Jesus to remit my sins per baptism..
Those my friend, are not just words.
Eternally Grateful
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Just as you thought?
ok yeah I guess your right, I need to know that was in known to god is seen, in his creation, that I have hidden the truth in my heart, because I love my sin, that all those things there are for my benefit.
News flash, even in today’s church not everything a pastor says is for the believer, there are many unbelievers who will hear a message and Paul knew a many an unbeliever would read his letters,
again, you continue to hurt your case, as with the word baptism, you are not as well versed in reality as you think you are
again, I suggest you go study some more, someone has led you astray
Eternally Grateful
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Your right, and they were not his words either,
good day, this is my last words to you, I will pray for you
It says paul was not sent to perform baptisms. We know God commissioned paul to bring salvation to the world. In light of that passage, paul is equally saying "Hod did not send me to bring salvation to the world" which we know is false
You may have been saved during baptism, if that is the moment you believed. But baptism didn't save you and neither did the words spoken over you. You want to put God in a little box where he can only save during a certain ceremony? God refuses to fit.
If we confess Jesus before men, He will also confess us before the Father and before His angels (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8).
If you think that such a thing is not salvational concerning the kingdom then by all means think that.
As long as you don't neglect making the confession through identifying with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection through baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
Notice the context.
It says that Paul himself did baptize three people in Corinth (Stephanas, Crispus, and Gaius).
However, in Acts of the Apostles 18:8, we find that there were many baptized in Corinth.
So, Paul must have considered that his primary job was preaching; and he also left the baptizing up to his disciples; even as Jesus did in John 4:1-2 with His disciples.
God has not sent me to baptize either (my vocation is to preach the gospel on the internet); however this does not mean that I de-emphasize the importance of being baptized in my preaching. I cannot baptize many people from computer to computer; but I can encourage the person on the other side of the computer to go to someone who will baptize them and to receive the ordinance from them.
I believe that it is an important step and that if it has the power to save you, it will save you whether you believe that it did the saving or not.
So, I would encourage you to at least get it done, just in case (in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; because the Holy Ghost is absolutely promises underneath that formula).
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Lots of men will confess Christ insincerely. Otherwise, why would we be warned about tares in the kingdom? It has to be more than mere words.
I suppose that only the Lord knows the heart of a man.
Nevertheless, Jesus promises us that if we confess Him before men, He will also confess us before the Father who is in heaven and before the angels of God.
So, you are saying that this promise is null and void if it is an insincere confession?
I would only point out that if the confession is sincere, it will result in a confession of you by Christ.
Is not such a thing salvational (Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8)?
Of course faith must be involved...
Even in Colossians 2:12, one of the primary verses on baptism, it teaches that we are raised together with Him through faith in the operation of God.
So, no one is disputing the idea that being baptized without faith is merely getting wet.
Looks like you are in the business of stealing the saint's private mail and reading it to sinners to apply to themselves.
Kinda crafty how you coax sinners to skip Acts and apply the Epistles to their sinful state, but not wise.
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Baptism is both word and deed.
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