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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by Behold, Feb 19, 2021.

  1. Behold

    Behold Well-Known Member

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    What created the water cults.?

    A.) Seducing Spirits and Doctrines of devils . 1st Timothy 4:1

    What is a water cult?
    Its a "doctrine of devils".. 1st Timothy 4:1

    A Water Cult, in the context of Christianity, is a heretical cult theology that believes and teaches that you are born again = by the power of the water.
    The heretical verse taken from a corrupted bible.... is this...>"born again BY water". John 3

    See that "By'"? Notice it follows BORN AGAIN......Born Again BY.....by what? by the water......
    It can be written this way also......"Born Again OF...water".
    In all cases, its 1st Timothy 4:1 a "doctrine of devils'.

    So, notice that this teaching is teaching that Spiritual Birth is caused by WATER.
    Water causes the new birth, according to this doctrine of devils.
    Water causes you to be born again according to this heresy.
    This is generally defined as "baptismal regeneration" by the water cults.
    See that?
    Thats a "doctrine of Devils" that teaches that water saves you, because water causes you to be born again.
    And the worst part of this lie, is that the theology teaches that "water washes away your sin".
    See that? Thats a total denial of the Cross of Christ and the Blood of Jesus.
    And that is a "doctrine of Devils'. 1 Timothy 4:1

    Listen carefully.
    We are not born again by water....we are born again by the HOLY SPIRIT.

    We are NOT born again by water....we are born again by the HOLY SPIRIT.

    Now, where does this water cult heresy come from?
    It comes from ONE BIBLE.....Just one totally corrupted Bible.
    The Douay Rheims Bible
    This devil designed book changed the verse, from "born of water" to "born AGAIN BY water"...
    See that?
    That is how you take a verse and make it into a "doctrine of devils".
    You take a verse that is speaking of the natural childbirth, where a baby who is in a water sac in its mother's womb, is born once that water sac breaks, and out comes the baby through that water.
    That is "born of water".
    We are all born of water, as that is the FIRST BIRTH.
    Jesus says, NOW...>You must be BORN AGAIN">... and that 2nd birth is performed by the HOLY SPIRIT, and not by water.

    So, the doctrine of devils, 1st Timothy 4:1 takes that verse and changes it into..>"Born AGAIN, by water", in a false bible,... which now elevates common water as equal with the Holy Spirit in power and in Holiness.
    And what is more damnable, is that it actually denies the Holy Spirits Power as THE POWER of Regeneration.
    So, the water cult theology replaces the Holy Spirit with Water.
    Thats a doctrine of devils. 1st Timothy 4:1

    How do you know when you are dealing with a water cult heretic?
    Its this....= They only want to talk about water, and water baptism and often Acts 2:38.
    They are obsessed with WATER WATER WATER Baptism.
     
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    Of course the power of baptism is not in the water itself...the only reason why the water has the effect that it does is because it gives the most accurate representation of being identified with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

    That identification is a confession of Jesus before men.

    What did Jesus say?

    Mat 10:32, Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

    So then, confessing Jesus in water baptism in Jesus' Name can indeed be salvational for the one who receives the ordinance.

    Can one truly be saved through confessing Him in other ways?

    I do believe that it is definitely true that "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13).

    So then, if a man genuinely calls on the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth (see Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12), he shall be saved.

    In the days of the early church, the context in which people called on the name of the Lord was in baptism (see Acts of the Apostles 22:16).

    Today, people do that in the context of going forward at a Crusade or church service.

    Is such a thing a work?

    Are those people saved through such an action?

    If the answer to the first is yes, then the answer to the last is no.

    Because we are not saved by works (Ephesians 2:8-9).

    So, is baptism a work?

    Are we saved through such an action?

    If the answer to the second is yes, then the answer to the first is no.

    The answer to the latter is that the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who receive baptism in Jesus' Name (Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39).

    So then, while a person might be saved through merely calling on the name of the Lord apart from baptism in Jesus' Name, there is an absolute promise attached to being baptized in Jesus' Name, that you will receive the Holy Ghost through such an action.

    Those who merely believe "
    should not perish" (John 3:16).

    Those who believe and are baptized "
    shall be saved" (Mark 16:16).

    Those who merely call upon the name of the Lord "shall be saved." (Romans 10:13).

    While calling on the name of the lord was traditionally accomplished at the time of being baptized in the days of the early church.

    But, please notice that mere believing is not as absolute of a deal as when you believe and are baptized.

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    should not perish" is rather iffy.

    "
    shall be saved" is something that I would rather go with...it means absolute assurance of salvation; and that translates into a secure helmet on your head in the day of battle (1 Thessalonians 5:8, Ephesians 6:17).
     
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    You sound just like a catholic, when you teach that nonsense.
    So, stop putting the emphasis of the finished work of Christ on the water.
    Put it on the Blood, and keep it there.
     
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    Except I'm not a Catholic.

    The reality is that I have leanings towards Oneness Pentecostalism.

    The blood is in the water (1 John 5:8).
     
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    That verse says that as witnesses they agree or "bear witness"..
    It does not say that the blood is IN the water.
    So, your heresy is on prime time today.

    One day, it'll be cut off.

    I have a question for you.

    You are a self described teacher and "pastor of this forum", yet you never post a Thread.
    You never create a Thread.
    All you do is show up on mine and twist verses into deceit.
    So, are you not able to post a Thread, and all you can do is chase me around or Marks?

    Answer when you figure that out, justbyfaith.
     
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    I have a few threads that I add to on an infrequent basis.

    Every once in a while I bump those threads up so that people can be ministered to by them.

    I do not feel that I need to overwhelm people with my presence by bumping them up more frequently.

    If I do it only from time to time, I believe that the new people to the forums will be able to see them when I bump them up; if they are going to stay longer than two weeks.
     
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    Nope.

    1) it isn't heresy.

    and, 2) it won't be cut off.

    The Spirit and the water and the blood agree together in one, is what that verse is saying.

    Consider also the following.

    The Greek word for "and' is "kai" and it can be translated as "even."

    So, 1 John 5:8 can be translated,

    1Jo 5:8, And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, <even> the water, <even> the blood: and these three agree in one.
     
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    Do you know where you are, again?
    you are on MY THREAD, i wrote TODAY.

    So, I didnt ask you if you wrote a few Threads 20 yrs ago, fella.

    Now pay attention.

    You say, of yourself, to us here.........that you are a Teacher, and the pastor of this forum.

    So, if you are this, why can't you write any Threads,?
    Why can't you, if you are a teacher and a Pastor of this forum?

    See, all you do is chase me around my 200 Threads, or find Marks on His, or similar.

    You do nothing else, so....why is that?
    You say you are a TEACHER and this forum's Pastor, but you dont post any THREADS, you just live on mine, or If Marks posts one, you'll be on that one ASAP.

    Where are yours, Mr TEACHER, Mr FORUM PASTOR? ??

    THats a good question isn't it.?

    Try answering it this time.
     
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    You are just lost in the theological weeds.
    Its amazing.
    So, once again, symbolic verses have you twisting and pasting greek from commentaries or online sources.
    Thats really impressive.

    Listen..

    Jesus is the Living Water.
    WE are washed by the water of the word......."""That God might sanctify and cleanse the body, the church, the bride, with the washing of WATER by the word"""
    That water is Jesus, who is the living WORD and the Living WATER.

    The water of the word is not the Baptism pool, justbyfaith.
    Its what is described as "three in one".. with Gods Spirit and Jesus's Blood.
     
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    I am teaching slowly through the book of Romans in the following thread.

    Commentary on Romans.

    There are a few other threads that I have started that contain my teaching on certain matters.

    I consider that they speak for themselves and that I do not have to overextend myself by repeating the doctrines in posts all over the place when they can be found in the threads in question.

    Here is another:

    Wet Paint Principle (Freedom)
     
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    It is your choice to not believe in the power of baptism to save a man.

    However, it should be clear that rantismal regeneration is a biblical doctrine.

    (where rantism is the alliterative term for sprinkling).

    Eze 36:25, Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
    Eze 36:26, A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
    Eze 36:27, And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
     
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    Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 will tell you that the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who will be water baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.
     
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    About 8 months ago, when i asked you the first time why you never post Threads, you posted the "Wet Paint" link.
    So, we've been there already.
    Did you forget?
    I didnt.

    Also, teaching verses, is not a Thread.
    Its really not.
    So, you have no Threads, or you have 1.... that are actually Threads where you devise a topic, and you explain your theology.
    As i said.
    Yet, you proclaim that you are a teacher and the pastor of this forum.
     
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    Let me show you what i showed marymog and breadoflife, as today is my day to show this to catholics.
    So here it is for you.

    Go to Acts 2, and notice, that Peter along with all those in the upper room, ......quite a few, (and ive been in the upper room).... are filled with the Spirit, and are displaying the Gift of Tongues, and none of them were water baptized first.
    Not one of them, including PETER.
    So, they were all born again, filled with the Spirit, and yet not water baptized before they ALL produced a certain Gift of the Spirit.

    Now, Marymog and breadoflife, are missing for a while, as they are trying to figure out how to explain this so that their "water saves", theology does not crash and burn.

    Now you can give it a try.

    And remember that Jesus told them, to "tarry in Jerusalem", but He never told them to be water baptized.
    And why would they need to "repent and be baptized" when all of them already believed in Jesus? ????
     
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    Actually its God's will that i believe in His Son To save me.

    I'll let you believe in the power of water, along with the other disciples of water cults.
     
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    Yes, my role as "pastor" (and I do not need to have flattering titles applied to me; but since you are applying it I will not reject the notion that I am pastor) has to do with being a watchman as it is written in Ezekiel.

    I go slowly with my teachings because I want to take the time to study what I am going to say before I say it.

    It has to do with this:

    Ecc 10:10, If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct.

    I take the time to sharpen the sword of the Spirit as it exists within me so that I do not have to put as much strength to what I am saying; I do not have to say as much because what I do say is refined through extensive study so that I do not need to be ashamed because I am rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Please notice that disciples were indeed baptized through Jesus' ministry (John 4:1-2). What makes you think that the 120 were not baptized at that junction?
     
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    If you don't confess Jesus before men, you are denying Him before men.

    Baptism in Jesus' Name is a radical confession of Jesus before men; identifying not only with a desire to be saved (as in walking forward at a Crusade or church service) but with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

    Now, read Matthew 10:32-33 and weep.
     
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    God calls Pastors, not me....but thank you for the honor.

    Listen, so, what you are saying is,....is that the real reason you have not written an actual Thread, or even a few, in a year, here, is because you dont want to overextend yourself, on behalf of the members.
    And that explains why you live on my 200 Threads.

    Uh huh.

    So, honesty is not in the cards for you today, again.


    Ok then.
     
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    Good, and I will let you believe that you don't need to be baptized in water (even though it could be to your eternal destruction).

    So, I take it this conversation is finished?

    I will say this: that a careful comparison between Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 and Romans 8:30, with a view to the application of the word "called" ought to bring you to a specific point of view.
     
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