Robert Gwin
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Jehovah is Jesus Pre incarnat. He was the one who spoke to Moses in the burning bush
Yes sir, he was God's spokesman so quite likely it was him, the Bible doesn't actually say.
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Jehovah is Jesus Pre incarnat. He was the one who spoke to Moses in the burning bush
Yes it is Yahweh (Jehovah), who is saying that he existed before all of His creation, and he will always exist, and that he is the only almighty God and that there is no other almighty God but Him.Consider.
Isa 41:4, Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isa 44:6, Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isa 48:11, For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
Isa 48:12, Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Who is the first and the last in these verses? If you said Jehovah, go to the head of the class.
Not quite! The Revelation verses are referring to Jesus, who was the first of all God's creation, and he was also the last because everything else was created by Jesus. He was also the starter and finisher of God's creation. These verses are clearly not referring to Yahweh because it states "which was dead", which applies to Jesus but not Yahweh, who never changes:Rev 1:17, And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18, I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Rev 2:8, And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
There you have it.
Jehovah, the first and the last, was dead and is alive; He liveth, and was dead.
The Word (Jesus) was a god, but he wasn't almighty God Yahweh, although he was with Yahweh (God) in the beginning, and God performed His creation through Jesus. Which is why Paul refers to David's Psalm (45:7) when he said (Hebrews 1:8-9 WEB):...and the Word was God.
Can you read?
your verse says....that "IN ME">.......inside me...........= that is not the BODY.
Gain some reading skills, and find your way out of the dark.
Jesus changed and became a man, and referred to himself as the "son of man" - so clearly Jesus was not Yahweh.
The Word (Jesus) was a god,
Clearly you are the one who lacks reading skills.
It is plain there in that scripture....in me, that is, in my flesh...
How you don't understand the plain meaning of that is beyond me.
The price for the redemption of Adam's life is the penalty for sin applied to an equal substitute for Adam, i.e. it required the death of a perfect human being, not a spirit being hiding inside a human body (like demon possession?). As I mentioned, God cannot have done that because he does not change, and he was and is immortal so he cannot die.God the Father took on an added nature of human flesh; and in this, who He essentially is, did not change. For God is a Spirit (John 4:23-24).
God tells us otherwise in His Scriptures. Jesus is plainly, many times, stated to be God's only begotten son. There are no passages supporting that Jesus was God in disguise, but there are many verses indicating that Jesus was not God e.g.:The Word (Jesus) was God.
That was not a spokesman in the bush it was god himself,Yes sir, he was God's spokesman so quite likely it was him, the Bible doesn't actually say.
That was not a spokesman in the bush it was god himself,
when moses asked him his name he literally said, I I am (I have always existed)
when the Pharisees praised Abraham, Jesus used the same words, when he said before Abraham was , I I am (I always existed)
that’s why they fell back and picked up stones to stone him, to them he committed blasphemy by claiming to be God .
Yes, the angel of God is a Name given to the second person of the trinity, he has many names. Ie, son of God son of man, angel of God, lord God of Israel etc etc.Actually sir, the account you were speaking about is found in Exodus chap 3, and it clearly states that it was an angel of Jehovah who appeared to Moses verse 2
Yes, the angel of God is a Name given to the second person of the trinity, he has many names. Ie, son of God son of man, angel of God, lord God of Israel etc etc.
however, the angel of God was not a created being, he was with God before time began, and through him and for him was all things created,
You asked a good question on the other thread. You do need to know Who Jesus is.Because Jesus was the first creation that Jehovah made, nothing else existed, therefore he was made exclusively by Jehovah's hands.
Excuse me sir.Jesus is God's son sir, created by Jehovah exclusively, begotten. Begotten means to have offspring. Jesus is referred to as the only-begotten son, why? Because Jesus was the first creation that Jehovah made, nothing else existed, therefore he was made exclusively by Jehovah's hands. Rev 3:14 states point blank he was the beginning of the creation of God. He is called the firstborn of all creation Col 1:15. The time beginning you referred to is speaking of the creation. In the beginning of Jn 1:1 is speaking about the start of God's creation.
God was not begotten, and the Bible does not teach that Jehovah is a 3 in 1 being.
The price for the redemption of Adam's life is the penalty for sin applied to an equal substitute for Adam, i.e. it required the death of a perfect human being, not a spirit being hiding inside a human body (like demon possession?). As I mentioned, God cannot have done that because he does not change, and he was and is immortal so he cannot die.
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1 Tim 2:5:
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Again we have a distinction between God and Jesus. If Jesus is the mediator between God and men, then how can Jesus be God?
John 3:17-18 [NIV]:
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
Again, Jesus distinguishes between his father and himself. He is also saying that those who do not believe that Jesus is God's only begotten son are condemned.
John 8:
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness concerning myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness concerning me.
This can only be a valid thing for Jesus to say if he and God are two separate persons, otherwise there are not two witnesses.
Excuse me sir.
But Jesus was before Abraham.
He could not be before abraham unless he existed thousands of years before he entered the body bore by Mary
You asked a good question on the other thread. You do need to know Who Jesus is.
Jesus is YHWH.
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In John 3:16 Jesus says that God "gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life". Paul confirms it in Romans 8:3 (WEB):God was manifested in the Flesh to destroy the works of the devil.
He did.
Redemption has come.
John 3:16
I think there is a much more to the confusion.Thanks for you post Marks, need to point out however that Jehovah is YHWH, Jesus is His son. Confusion about that was escalated when translators tried to remove YHWH's name from the Bible. A great example to research to see the difference and alteration from the translators is found at Psalms 110:1 which refers to both Jehovah as well as Jesus, yet calls them both Lord. Notice however that most versions which omit God's name capitalize all the letters (LORD) where YHWH is and the second Lord which is Adonai originally only capitalizes the first letter L. Ps 110:1; Jn 3:16
Hope that helps
It was not God (Yahweh) who came in human form, it was his only begotten son. Jesus said: