Tares Reveal Themselves by what they DON’T Say...And They Are With us Here .How to Identify Them...

[CoreIssue]

Prove it. OSASers love to make false accusations.

You said God's “ goodness” is Doing His Will. Doing so intentionally is work. Doing so simply because it is right is grace.

 

[Grailhunter]

I have been tracking this new denomination for a while now.
Defining them is not the easiest thing.

You are pushing works, not grace through faith.

Works have nothing to do with it all...what going on here is using Grace to promote evil in Christianity.

 

[kcnalp]

You said God's “ goodness” is Doing His Will. Doing so intentionally is work. Doing so simply because it is right is grace.

Quote what I said. I think you have the wrong person.

 

[justbyfaith]

If that is the case, as a BIG-TIME unapologetic OSAS Guy......I am a Christian..... a “ Christian” is anybody that has “ Christ IN
them”.......and Christ is formed in one’s Heart by Faith.....

I am a OSAS Guy simply because Jesus was.....Jesus said that if we put our Faith in Him, we are ALREADY SAVED and shall NEVER come under Condemnation.....for the “ dim- bulbs in the Crowd—- NEVER means NEVER......
Nobody yet has even tried to argue about that verse...it is Iron - Clad....it can’t be debated by any Sane person....especially somebody with the Holy Spirit in them....

John 5:24 (kjv) applies to those who have a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14).

Those who have a nominal, shallow, or lukewarm faith (mere mental assent to the tenets of the gospel) can fall away (Luke 8:13) or be "cut off" (Romans 11:20-22) in time of temptation; if they continue not in God's goodness.

I know that there are some who take promises of scripture like John 5:24 (kjv) as applying to them when in all reality it does not apply to them.

A companion passage that also teaches eternal security is John 10:27-30. Jesus' sheep hear His voice, and He knows them, and they follow Him.

This is the condition for being His sheep; and John 5:24 (kjv) is also a promise only to His sheep.

He knows His sheep...but He has never known those who work iniquity (Matthew 7:23).

So then, those who work iniquity are not His sheep...and therefore John 5:24 (kjv) doesn't apply to them as a promise.

God's “ goodness” is Doing His Will.....what would that “ WILL” be? “ To Believe in the One that He sent” ....

So, I guess that means that you don't subscribe to @Behold's doctrine that you don't have to continue in the faith to be saved.

Let me say this...those who believe that Jesus is the Christ are born of God (1 John 5:1).

However, it should be clear that you are not born of God if you are living a lifestyle of sin (1 John 3:9).

And therefore, I conclude that, if God's goodness means walking by faith, as you have said, @Blood Bought 1953, then continuing in God's goodness means not only continuing in faith but continuing in a walk of holiness.

 

[Grailhunter]

You said God's “ goodness” is Doing His Will. Doing so intentionally is work. Doing so simply because it is right is grace.

Matthew 7:21-24
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

This is the what will be failure of those of the new denomination.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Christianity is a religion of morals.

In a nutshell, this is where you go off the rails.....Christianity is NOT a “religion”.....If the day ever arrives that you understand the difference between Religion and Christianity, you will have come a long way. Until then? You have not even arrived to the “ Starting Gate” Of Christianity.....

 

[justbyfaith]

You said God's “ goodness” is Doing His Will. Doing so intentionally is work.

There is nothing wrong with doing God's will "intentionally".

To try to say otherwise is to engage in absurdity.

 

[justbyfaith]

Christianity is a religion of morals.

In a nutshell, this is where you go off the rails.....Christianity is NOT a “religion”.....If the day ever arrives that you understand the difference between Religion and Christianity, you will have come a long way. Until then? You have not even arrived to the “ Starting Gate” Of Christianity.....

That is what popular Christianity teaches.

However,

Where in the Bible does it say that there is no religion in Christianity?

I think that if you look carefully, you will find the opposite.

Jas 1:27, Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

 

[CoreIssue]

Prove it. OSASers love to make false accusations.

Sorry, I misread. But you did clearly say Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Without reading the whole chapter that verse is clearly not talking about born-again believers.

 

[justbyfaith]

Sorry, I misread. But you did clearly say Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Without reading the whole chapter that verse is clearly not talking about born-again believers.

In verse 20 it says that they "stand by faith".

These are not born again believers?

 

[Grailhunter]

I have been tracking this new denomination for a while.
It is hard to define them because it more or less a social idea.
This hyper Grace they talk about will follow social concerns. Not to condemn lifestyles sins like homosexuals, drug users, abortionist. They will twist people's words and even the Word of God to promote their beliefs.
They will promote the belief that those of the LBGTQ community will go to heaven. That evil does not need to change just believe in Christ and they go to heaven. That Christians will find just as much evil in heaven as they do on earth.
Like what you see in the media they try to silence the Christian voice...speaking against the moral as condemners.
Focusing only on the scriptures that speak of grace and forgiveness but find the scriptures that speak of morality and sin offensive.
You find them attacking people of morality.
All you have to do is observe and they will show their colors.

 

[CoreIssue]

There is nothing wrong with doing God's will "intentionally".

To try to say otherwise is to engage in absurdity.

If born again, it is part of our new heart and mind to do God's will, even though we fail continually as Paul said.

 

[justbyfaith]

If born again, it is part of our new heart and mind to do God's will, even though we fail continually as Paul said.

We are not obligated to walk after the flesh (Romans 8:12-13); and we do not have to fail at living a holy, Christian life (Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10).

 

[CoreIssue]

Christianity by definition is a religion. The distinction is when it is practice as a philosophy or it becomes part of our being.

 

[CoreIssue]

In verse 20 it says that they "stand by faith".

These are not born again believers?

not necessarily. Cults stand by faith.

 

[justbyfaith]

Christianity by definition is a religion. The distinction is when it is practice as a philosophy or it becomes part of our being.

It truly is a relationship; but religion is not entirely absent from its precepts.

 

[kcnalp]

Sorry, I misread. But you did clearly say Written to Christians:
Romans 11:22 (NKJV)
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Without reading the whole chapter that verse is clearly not talking about born-again believers.

Romans 1:7 (NKJV)
7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:

 

[justbyfaith]

not necessarily. Colts stand by faith.

Horses?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Yes, and I find that the very person who posted the OP reveals himself by what he does not say...or, at least, what he used to not say. Now what he says reveals him as a Tare.

In that he teaches that repentance is not really needed for salvation...that you can be a worker / doer of iniquity and still go to heaven...the Bible is clear that this is not the case.

He used to preach what I thought was some pretty good stuff...but what he didn't say makes it clear what he really believes...that it does not matter if we sin...perhaps that God is even pleased with our sins....or at the very least pleased with us as sinners.

Amazing ....almost everything he says is a Lie....and we have sparred long enough for him to KNOW that they are lies......
I might refute some of these obvious lies later on, but don’ t hold your breath....it’s been done 50 times or so already..... I got better things to do —- my Spice Rack needs rearranging.....

 

[CoreIssue]

Horses?

Fixed.