Is Jesus God?

Lively Stone said:

The Trinity is found all throughout scripture if any is willing to look and asks the Lord to reveal what is true. Here are only three examples:

Isaiah 48:16
Come near to Me, listen to this: from the first I have not spoken in secret, from the time it took place, I was there, and now Adonai-Yehovah has sent Me and His Spirit."

This is an indication of the personhood of both the Son and Holy Spirit in the Trinity.

Matthew 3:16-17
And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, ‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.’

Matthew 28:18-20
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.’

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First verse: If this is referring to Jesus Christ, which it seems to be, it is speaking of his humanity. The man Jesus was sent by God, yet at the same time, he was God in every sense. At times the Scriptures talk of Jesus Christ as a man, at times they talk of him as God. But get this: Jesus IS God and MUST be recognized as God. When I say God, I don't mean putting him alongside two other entities. I mean making him God literally.

Second verse: The voice and similitude of a dove from heaven were signs to John the Baptist. Nowhere do we read of them as being evidence of a Triune God.

Third verse: Some friendly advice: Before posting a Scripture verse, make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot. In Matthew 28, it says "in the NAME . . ." There is ONE name for the Father, for the Son, and for the Holy Ghost. That name is Jesus. And if all three have the same name, is it because they are the same person? Definitely! On that note, the apostles understood Jesus command, and baptised in JESUS' name! If anything, this verse points to Jesus being the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and therefore, God in every sense. Also, Jesus seemingly denies the other 'co-equal' members of the Trinity when he declares, "Lo I am with you, even until the end of the earth." Why didn't Jesus say 'We'?

Now answer this question:

If the Trinity really exists, how is it that Jesus is the ONLY Immortal 1Ti_6:16l? the EVERLASTING Father Isa_9:6 ? and finally, the ONLY GOD?


1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.


1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Lively Stone said:

Jesus didn't say "We", nor does the Father or the Holy Spirit, because God is One, yet three persons. We all should know that Jesus is with us in the person of the Holy Spirit, according to His promise.



1 Timothy 6 is no refutation of the trinity, but is a confirmation of it.

Verse 13:
[sup]13[/sup] And I charge you before God, who gives life to all, and before Christ Jesus,...



And here we can all see that Jesus is God, yet is a person in His own right:

[sup]15[/sup] For at just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of all kings and Lord of all lords. [sup]16[/sup] He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen.

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And what is so wrong with accepting Jesus to be the Father? Btw, how do you explain Matthew 28, how that there is only ONE name for the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? After all, the Trinity says that Jesus is ONLY the Son.

MR ROSENBERGER said:

This is sot of like were Jesus said some will not believe in him himself and that's ok sort of, because some problem they have they can't bring them self's to believing it.
But Jesus says that one could be offensive of him as being only being seen a man, but if that one offends the Spirit it will not be forgiven at all.
I see that old mate zero is just waffling on being lead by a religion.
Jesus is the Spirit and if we come into him we are with the Spirit.
Jesus is not the Father. but old mate zero can't put it together.
Jesus in the Bible talks about the Father and zero just brushes that a side.
Jesus is God with us ? Emanuel. not the Father.
The people who killed Jesus did so because they did not accept him as the Father.
No one can come to the Father but through the Son ?
So i think zero you are to tied up with the OT.
Get a Authorized King James Bible and read the red print.
I see that most people using Jesus name as the Father, is just another one of there cunning conjuring tricks to push the real Jesus out of the Light.

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Lol. What does it really say if no one can come to the Father but through the Son?
I can explain that! The Son is the express image of the Father (Heb_1:3). We cannot see the Father because he is a Spirit (Joh_4:24), but the Father manifest himself as a man so he could walk among us and redeem us. That is why we can only come to the Father through the Son. Because it's through his humanity, that Jesus redeemed us. That's what the Scriptures declare to us!

Also, you said, verbatim, "The people who killed Jesus did so because they did not accept him as the Father." You are correct. The Jews of Jesus' day REFUSED to accept Jesus as God. See, they realised the claims that Jesus made, and they realised that he was professing to be God in the flesh! To them, that was blasphemy. Even though they were looking for a Messiah, they didn't want Jesus, because he was not their idea of a Messiah. So they crucified him. And that is exactly what so many people do today. They recognise Jesus as 1/3 of God, but very few can honestly say with their actions, doctrine, and words, that Jesus is the Almighty God.
I read the red print in the KJV .
Now please tell me who rose Jesus from the dead?

Lively Stone said:

As Jesus is called the Everlasting Father, there is nothing wrong with calling him Father. God has MANY names.

Matthew 28:18-20
[sup]18-20[/sup] But Jesus came and spoke these words to them, “All power in Heaven and on earth has been given to me. You, then, are to go and make disciples of all the nations and baptise them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Teach them to observe all that I have commanded you and, remember, I am with you always, even to the end of the world.”

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Please, I'm not here to debate so much as I want others to get a hold of what I have. Forget about the Trinity. All it does is degrade Jesus. Simply recognise Jesus for who he is. Jesus is the Father, Jesus is the Son, and Jesus is the Holy Ghost. Jesus is all that God is. Something happens when you realise that God didn't send someone else but came himself to save you and me. Jesus came to earth himself to save you and me.


Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

MR ROSENBERGER said:

Sadly all you have is gobbledygook and that is the sort of stuff that deceives and sadly people can use it to try to twist things around.
If the Jews can comprehend that Jesus is not the Father but the Son they may have a chance of who he is.
No one comes to the Father but through the Son,? then you can comprehend, not the other way around. the way you are going about it does injustice to Jesus and gives the Jew power to dismiss Jesus, and they will get nowhere. and that's a sin.

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You didn't answer my question: Who raised Jesus from the dead?
And here's another question: Who came to earth to redeem us? God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Ghost?

Lively Stone said:

When we baptize people into the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ, we are in obedience to the word. This doesn't take away from the fact that God is all three in one. Jesus Christ is the name above all names, and His name is our authority for everything. That is what God has instituted. There is nothing to argue about.

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When we baptise in titles, we parrot. When we baptise in Jesus' name, we obey. Every example in Scripture of baptism is in Jesus' name. The disciples either understood what Jesus was saying, or the early church was built on a lie.
Eph_4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

MR ROSENBERGER said:

The one who he is in his right hand.
All 3.

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So you have the audacity to tell people that three co-equal persons of the Godhead who, though made of the same substance, are distinct persons, raised one of those three persons from the dead?

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

I wonder how they make decisions? Vote? Take turns? Do your own thing? Pull straws? Game of darts?

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Good point. I've always wondered how in the world they could be co-equal if the Father could send the Son down to earth to die a horrible death. And even better yet, the Son then stays in subjection to the Father. Oops. There goes the co-equality of the persons!

Solution: Jesus is God, something the Scriptures make clear. Yet if he is only the Son, we find that he cannot be God because he isn't even equal with the other members of the 'holy' trinity. Therefore, Jesus is God, wholly, in every sense. There are no other entities that make up God. Jesus is all that there is.