Was Noah's flood global?

Truth7t7 said:

The only Kangaroo conclusion is found in those denying Noah's global flood

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Peterlag said:

Tell me again what God flooding a part of the earth and regional local floods have in common?

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Truthnightmare said:

I would never put the writings of man over the Bible… however, the Chinese have said there was a flood, long ago, that destroyed a people but did not reach them due to there elevation. I have read and date checked these articles, the timeline matches the dates of Noah’s flood.

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WEATHER NEWS​

Why Are There Fish Fossils High Up In The Himalayas?​

By Mishana Khot​

29 June, 2018​

Truth7t7 said:

God didn't flood just a part of the earth in Noah's flood as you falsely claim, he flooded the entire earth covering every mountain globally

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Truth7t7 said:

"Every Living Substance" was destroyed on the earth, it doesn't state "Parts of the earth"

They were destroyed from the earth, very simple and easy to understand

Only that within the ark remained alive, "A Global Event"

Genesis 7:4 & 19-24KJV
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

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Truth7t7 said:

I don't care what man states (David Montgomery)or the US Geological survey

God's words before your eyes state the mountains were covered by 15 cubits, it states every living substance was destroyed on the earth, read it again, will you call the words of God below a lie?

Genesis 7:4 & 19-24KJV
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

(Noah's Global Flood)

Genesis 7:20KJV
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

WEATHER NEWS​

Why Are There Fish Fossils High Up In The Himalayas?​

By Mishana Khot​

29 June, 2018​

Representative image (skeeze/Pixabay)

The mighty Himalayas, also known as ‘The Roof of the World’, rise up to an incredible height, disappearing into the clouds on some days. Some of the world’s highest peaks are in the Himalayas, including Mount Everest, which at 29,029 feet is the highest mountain in the world. At these altitudes, the air is thin, and the temperatures are extreme. The land is arid and brown, and it looks like it’s been this way since the beginning of time. These mighty mountains are hundreds of miles away from the closest sea. So how is it possible that marine fossils have been found in multiple locations in the Himalayas?

How Did Seashells Get On Top Of Mount Everest?​

March 29, 2023 by Allen Watkins

Some of the most unlikely places on Earth are home to seashells. Mount Everest, the tallest mountain in the world, is one of them. But how did they get there?

The discovery of fossils of ancient underwater creatures with shells at the summit of Mount Everest provides evidence that the mountain was once under an ocean. The fossils, including those of crinoids, are embedded in limestone at the summit of Everest. Crinoids are ancient underwater animals with tentacles and cone-shaped shells. The discovery of their fossils at the summit of Everest provides evidence that the mountain was once under an ocean.

Back when a huge fossilized whale was found on a California mountaintop (1899)​

May 21, 2019

Fossilized whale found in Monterey County, California​

A fossil whale’s head, the remains of oysters and other things of the sea have just been unearthed in Monterey County, at a place 2300 feet above the sea level and eighteen miles inland from the present coastline.

NewYorkTimes​

WHALE FOSSILS HIGH IN ANDES SHOW HOW MOUNTAINS ROSE FROM SEA​

By Malcolm W. Browne

• March 12, 1987

The Fossils On Katahdin In Maine That Still Spark Debate With Geologists To This Day​

By Chris Dodge|Published August 08, 2022

Way up the mountain where the trees start to thin out fossils can be found.
Not your typical dinosaur bones but sea life. Muscles, coral, and sea shells have been found pressed hard into the rock.

Questions arise with this interesting find. How did sea life get fossilized way up high on Mount Katahdin?

The Geology of Baxter State Park and Mount Katahdin
It’s an interesting question that beckons us to examine it closer. Speculation has been presented that Katahdin was once a volcano or the effects of Tectonioc Plates shifting. Most scientists will agree that much of Maine’s beautiful landscape was shaped by massive glacier runoff. What or how did that happen is a spark of debate.

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Reuters​

Fossils of giant marine reptiles found high in the Swiss Alps​

Will Dunham
April 28, 2022

(Reuters) - Fossils from some of the largest creatures ever to swim Earth's oceans - whale-sized marine reptiles called ichthyosaurs - have been found in a counterintuitive place: atop three mountains in the Swiss Alps up to 8,990 feet (2,740 meters) above sea level.

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Truth7t7 said:

I disagree, I have clearly shown you otherwise in my opinion

"Probably" is a word you use loosely in ignorance

"Probably" there was a global flood, and swimming fish made it to the top of Mount everest and were deposited there, just as was seen in the Andes, Switzerland, Maine, and California as you were shown in your denial of the facts of a "Global Flood"

You deny God's very clear words that have been presented multiple times

Let God be true and every man a liar

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The Learner said:

In Hebrew the word "earth" means dirt or Land, the concept of globale world did not exist back then.

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Truth7t7 said:

God's words before your eyes state the mountains were covered by 15 cubits, it states every living substance was destroyed on the earth, read it again, will you call the words of God below a lie?

Genesis 7:4 & 19-24KJV
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

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Mosheli said:

If the Flood was only one section of the earth then how come God didn't just command Noah to move to another section instead of building a boat. And what point would be the rainbow promise never to flood the whole earth again if it was only one section (since it would mean God lied since there have been regional/local floods since then)?

As to where all the waters went note these facts:
The world’s surface is 7/10ths water versus 3/10ths land.
The average depth of the ocean 12451 ft versus average height of land above sealevel is 2300 ft.
If the surface of the earth was flat the water would stand over 7900 ft or 1.5 mi deep/high.
So if the mountains were lower and the oceans were shallower there'd be enough water to flood the earth.

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The Learner said:

I already showed there is not enough water. lol

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Jack said:

Genesis 7:19 (ESV)
19 And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered.

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Truth7t7 said:

The only Kangaroo conclusion is found in those denying Noah's global flood

God's words below are truth, every mountain on earth was covered by water, every living substance upon earth died, "something you deny"

God's words before your eyes state the mountains were covered by 15 cubits, it states every living substance was destroyed on the earth, read it again, will you call the words of God below a lie?

Genesis 7:4 & 19-24KJV
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

(Noah's Global Flood)

Genesis 7:20KJV
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

WEATHER NEWS​

Why Are There Fish Fossils High Up In The Himalayas?​

By Mishana Khot​

29 June, 2018​

Representative image (skeeze/Pixabay)

The mighty Himalayas, also known as ‘The Roof of the World’, rise up to an incredible height, disappearing into the clouds on some days. Some of the world’s highest peaks are in the Himalayas, including Mount Everest, which at 29,029 feet is the highest mountain in the world. At these altitudes, the air is thin, and the temperatures are extreme. The land is arid and brown, and it looks like it’s been this way since the beginning of time. These mighty mountains are hundreds of miles away from the closest sea. So how is it possible that marine fossils have been found in multiple locations in the Himalayas?

How Did Seashells Get On Top Of Mount Everest?​

March 29, 2023 by Allen Watkins

Some of the most unlikely places on Earth are home to seashells. Mount Everest, the tallest mountain in the world, is one of them. But how did they get there?

The discovery of fossils of ancient underwater creatures with shells at the summit of Mount Everest provides evidence that the mountain was once under an ocean. The fossils, including those of crinoids, are embedded in limestone at the summit of Everest. Crinoids are ancient underwater animals with tentacles and cone-shaped shells. The discovery of their fossils at the summit of Everest provides evidence that the mountain was once under an ocean.

Back when a huge fossilized whale was found on a California mountaintop (1899)​

May 21, 2019

Fossilized whale found in Monterey County, California​

A fossil whale’s head, the remains of oysters and other things of the sea have just been unearthed in Monterey County, at a place 2300 feet above the sea level and eighteen miles inland from the present coastline.

NewYorkTimes​

WHALE FOSSILS HIGH IN ANDES SHOW HOW MOUNTAINS ROSE FROM SEA​

By Malcolm W. Browne

• March 12, 1987

The Fossils On Katahdin In Maine That Still Spark Debate With Geologists To This Day​

By Chris Dodge|Published August 08, 2022

Way up the mountain where the trees start to thin out fossils can be found.
Not your typical dinosaur bones but sea life. Muscles, coral, and sea shells have been found pressed hard into the rock.

Questions arise with this interesting find. How did sea life get fossilized way up high on Mount Katahdin?

The Geology of Baxter State Park and Mount Katahdin
It’s an interesting question that beckons us to examine it closer. Speculation has been presented that Katahdin was once a volcano or the effects of Tectonioc Plates shifting. Most scientists will agree that much of Maine’s beautiful landscape was shaped by massive glacier runoff. What or how did that happen is a spark of debate.

​

Reuters​

Fossils of giant marine reptiles found high in the Swiss Alps​

Will Dunham
April 28, 2022

(Reuters) - Fossils from some of the largest creatures ever to swim Earth's oceans - whale-sized marine reptiles called ichthyosaurs - have been found in a counterintuitive place: atop three mountains in the Swiss Alps up to 8,990 feet (2,740 meters) above sea level.

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Jack said:

Genesis 7:19 (DRV)
19 And the waters prevailed beyond measure upon the earth: and all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (ASV)
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high mountains that were under the whole heaven were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (AMP)
19 And the waters prevailed so exceedingly and were so mighty upon the earth that all the high hills under the whole sky were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (CSBBible)
19 Then the water surged even higher on the earth, and all the high mountains under the whole sky were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (CEB)
19 The waters rose even higher over the earth; they covered all of the highest mountains under the sky.

Genesis 7:19 (CJB)
19 The water overpowered the earth mightily; all the high mountains under the entire sky were covered;

Genesis 7:19 (CEV)
19 Finally, the mighty flood was so deep that even the highest mountain peaks were almost twenty-five feet below the surface of the water.

Genesis 7:19 (Darby)
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth; and all the high mountains that are under all the heavens were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (ETRV)
19 The water rose so much that even the highest mountains were covered by the water.

Genesis 7:19 (ESV)
19 And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (GW)
19 The water rose very high above the earth. It covered all the high mountains everywhere under the sky.

Genesis 7:19 (HCSB)
19 Then the waters surged even higher on the earth, and all the high mountains under the whole sky were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (ICB)
19 The water rose so much that even the highest mountains under the sky were covered by it.

Genesis 7:19 (KJV)
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (MLB)
19 Higher and higher the waters rose over the earth, gaining the upper hand until all the high mountains under heaven were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (NET1)
19 The waters completely inundated[29] the earth so that even[30] all the high mountains under the entire sky were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (NASB77)
19 And the water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (NASB)
19 The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (NCV)
19 The water rose so much that even the highest mountains under the sky were covered by it.

Genesis 7:19 (NIV)
19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (NIV2011)
19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (NJB)
19 The waters rose higher and higher above the ground until all the highest mountains under the whole of heaven were submerged.

Genesis 7:19 (NLT2)
19 Finally, the water covered even the highest mountains on the earth,

Genesis 7:19 (NRSV)
19 The waters swelled so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered;

Genesis 7:19 (RSV)
19 And the waters prevailed so mightily upon the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered;

Genesis 7:19 (TLB)
19 until finally the water covered all the high mountains under the whole heaven,

Genesis 7:19 (MSG)
19 The flood got worse until all the highest mountains were covered

Genesis 7:19 (TEV)
19 It became so deep that it covered the highest mountains;

Genesis 7:19 (Webster's Bible)
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills that were under the whole heaven were covered.

Genesis 7:19 (YLT)
19 And the waters have been very very mighty on the earth, and covered are all the high mountains which are under the whole heavens;

Couldn't be any clearer.

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The Learner said:

God was making a point of obedence.

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Mosheli said:

From my reading of Genesis 6-8 it is clear tht the Flood was global not just local/regional part/section of the earth. The word used for earth eretz is the same word in Genesis 1:1.

6:1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground (adamah), and daughters were born to them,

6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth (eretz) in those days, and also after that, when God's sons came in to men's daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
6:5 Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth (eretz), and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6:6 Yahweh was sorry that he had made man on the earth (eretz), and it grieved him in his heart.
6:7 Yahweh said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the surface of the ground (adamah); man, along with animals, creeping things, and birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."

6:11 The earth (eretz) was corrupt before God, and the earth (eretz) was filled with violence.
6:12 God saw the earth (eretz), and saw that it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth (eretz).
6:13 God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before me, for the earth (eretz) is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth (eretz).

6:17 I, even I, do bring the flood of waters on this earth (eretz), to destroy all flesh having the breath of life from under the sky. Everything that is in the earth (eretz) will die.

6:19 Of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ship, to keep them alive with you. They shall be male and female.
6:20 Of the birds after their kind, of the livestock after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground (adamah) after its kind, two of every sort shall come to you, to keep them alive.
6:21 Take with you of all food that is eaten, and gather it to you; and it will be for food for you, and for them."

7:2 You shall take seven pairs of every clean animal with you, the male and his female. Of the animals that are not clean, take two, the male and his female.
7:3 Also of the birds of the sky, seven and seven, male and female, to keep seed alive on the surface of all the earth (eretz).
7:4 In seven days, I will cause it to rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights. Every living thing that I have made, I will destroy from the surface of the ground (adamah)."

7:8 Clean animals, animals that are not clean, birds, and everything that creeps on the ground (adamah)

7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep were burst open, and the sky's windows were opened.

7:14 they, and every animal after its kind, all the livestock after their kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth (eretz) after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort.
7:15 They went to Noah into the ship, by pairs of all flesh with the breath of life in them.

7:19 The waters prevailed exceedingly on the earth (eretz). All the high mountains that were under the whole sky were covered.
7:20 The waters prevailed fifteen cubits upward, and the mountains were covered.
7:21 All flesh died that moved on the earth (eretz), including birds, livestock, animals, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth (eretz), and every man.
7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land (charabah), died.
7:23 Every living thing was destroyed that was on the surface of the ground (adamah), including man, livestock, creeping things, and birds of the sky. They were destroyed from the earth (eretz). Only Noah was left, and those who were with him in the ship.

8:5 The waters receded continually until the tenth month. In the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains were seen.

8:8 He sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from the surface of the ground (adamah),
8:9 but the dove found no place to rest her foot, and she returned to him into the ship; for the waters were on the surface of the whole earth (eretz). He put forth his hand, and took her, and brought her to him into the ship.

8:13 It happened in the six hundred first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from the earth (eretz). Noah removed the covering of the ship, and looked. He saw that the surface of the ground (adamah) was dried.

8:17 Bring forth with you every living thing that is with you of all flesh, including birds, livestock, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth (eretz), that they may breed abundantly in the earth (eretz), and be fruitful, and multiply on the earth (eretz)."

8:19 Every animal, every creeping thing, and every bird, whatever moves on the earth (eretz), after their families, went out of the ship.
8:20 Noah built an altar to Yahweh, and took of every clean animal, and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
8:21 Yahweh smelled the sweet savor. Yahweh said in his heart, "I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake, because the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I ever again strike everything living, as I have done.


9:1 God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth (eretz).
9:2 The fear of you and the dread of you will be on every animal of the earth (eretz), and on every bird of the sky. Everything that the ground teems with, and all the fish of the sea are delivered into your hand.
9:3 Every moving thing that lives will be food for you. As the green herb, I have given everything to you.

9:5 I will surely require your blood of your lives. At the hand of every animal I will require it. At the hand of man, even at the hand of every man's brother, I will require the life of man.

9:7 Be fruitful and multiply. Bring forth abundantly in the earth (eretz), and multiply in it."

9:10 and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the livestock, and every animal of the earth (eretz) with you, of all that go out of the ship, even every animal of the earth (eretz).
9:11 I will establish my covenant with you: all flesh will not be cut off any more by the waters of the flood, neither will there ever again be a flood to destroy the earth (eretz)."
9:12 God said, "This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
9:13 I set my rainbow in the cloud, and it will be for a sign of a covenant between me and the earth (eretz).

9:15 and I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh, and the waters will no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
9:16 The rainbow will be in the cloud. I will look at it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth (eretz)."
9:17 God said to Noah, "This is the token of the covenant which I have established between me and all flesh that is on the earth (eretz)."

9:19 These three were the sons of Noah, and from these, the whole earth (eretz) was populated.

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