I got the data from here... Data On The TrinityAwesome demonstration that Jesus is not the Almighty God!!!!
I am very glad that others, and not only we JWs, recognize the truth out of the Scriptures and can clearly prove it.
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I got the data from here... Data On The TrinityAwesome demonstration that Jesus is not the Almighty God!!!!
I am very glad that others, and not only we JWs, recognize the truth out of the Scriptures and can clearly prove it.
Why cant you just address the questions asked of you? Is this how you defend what the Bible really teaches?…..by not defending your beliefs once shown to be in error?If you want to run with this out of context scripture doctrine witnessing of yours, ignoring the context and doctrine of the New Testament, beware of a ditch awaits you.
I think it's 100 percent. I might be wrong. It could be 99 percent of the time in the end people on here attack me personally or make the biblical post about me. People say you lost the argument when you get off the issue and attack the other person personally.Why cant you just address the questions asked of you? Is this how you defend what the Bible really teaches?…..by not defending your beliefs once shown to be in error?
There is nothing “out of context”, or in opposition to the true doctrines of the NT…..and you know it.
If there was, you would have answers….but your posts are just insults….there is a ditch all right….
You cannot address the clear statements in scripture because your doctrine will not let you….you are in shackles, but someone has offered you a key to be released from enslavement to beliefs that are false….yet like the first century Jews you deny the uncomfortable truth to stick to the comfortable lies…..that’s why we only get one shot at salvation when God finally brings the curtain down on this evil world of the devil’s making…..his servants have been sounding the warning now for over 100 years…..and still people prefer the lies to the truth. Some things never change….that is why history repeats…..
According to my understanding the bosom of God would be a place of eternal rest.What is “the bosom of Abraham”? …according to your understanding?
What was the “bosom of Abraham” according to Jewish understanding?
Since the Jewish understanding of this word is the most important one and, since Jesus and all his apostles were Jewish, we have to understand what Jesus’ exclusively Jewish audience understood this word to mean.According to my understanding the bosom of God would be a place of eternal rest.
The bosom of Abraham according to Jewish understanding I would guess would be a place awaiting the rest of God.
And yet people all over the world call this "I and my Father are one" strong evidence.
Maybe since Eliezer/ Lazarus of Damascus was the first servant in father Abraham’s house, the story is about Jesus’s spiritual state?This story has nothing to do with a literal heaven or hell scenario, since no such scenario exists in the Bible.
The dead are not in a conscious condition. (Eccl 9:5, 10) The characters in the story are fictitious. Lazarus was a very common name.
Brilliant! I look forward to the erudite reply but would be surprised if an Ad Homenim rejoinder awaits.Yeah these verses and others like them make no sense if Christ is “co-equal” with the Father because taken at face value they show Jesus is a man approved of God.
- Given “all authority” Matthew 28:18).
- Given “a name above every name” (Philippians 2:9).
- Given work to finish by the Father (John 5:36).
- Given those who believed in him by the Father (John 6:39, 10:29).
- Given glory (John 17:22, 24).
- Given his “cup” [his torture and death] by the Father (John 18:11).
- “Seated” at God’s own right hand (Ephesians 1:20-21).
- “Appointed” over the Church (Ephesians 1:22).
- He was not unoriginated. Christ was the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16).
- He was not self-existent. “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57).
- He was not immortal. Jesus died and God resurrected Him (Acts 13:30).
- He was not all wise. Jesus “grew in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).
- He was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19).
- He was not omnipresent. Jesus said after Lazarus died “I am glad I was not there” (John 11:15).
Only if eisegesis is allowed. It is strong evidence against a 3-in-1 God.And yet people all over the world call this "I and my Father are one" strong evidence.
Appeal to Strawman. I've heard it said that a certain man is his own man but that is not what we are talking about is it? There is no verse in all 66 books where it says God has a God or, as you put it, is his own God.God is His own God…inasmuch as a President is his own President…or a king his own king.
Appeal to Strawman. I've heard it said that a certain man is his own man but that is not what we are talking about is it? There is no verse in all 66 books where it says God has a God or, as you put it, is his own God.
It is a Circular Reference, akin to the Royal We.
ROFLMAO. A way to pretend you are not having to concede the point.Much in Scripture IS NOT SAID in the words of men.
Nope....John 5:18...I re-highlighted what the verse actually means.
And I italicized your deception below.
This is what creates confusion…..when people say…”maybe this means ‘this or that“, without taking the rest of what the scriptures teach into account. This is what leads people who are bound and determined to perpetuate this lie, to suggesting all kinds of scenarios to force a verse or a passage to support their doctrine, no matter how many ways they want to twist it to fit.Maybe since Eliezer/ Lazarus of Damascus was the first servant in father Abraham’s house, the story is about Jesus’s spiritual state?
This is an interesting comment because “fine linen” was used in the Bible as a symbol of righteousness. We recall these words in the Revelation to John….I also note that Jesus was also arrayed in purple and fine linen - rich toward God.
I couldn’t agree more…..as soon as they turn it into personal insults, you know that they have run out of valid arguments……attack is the weakest form of defense. They are proclaiming defeat by their own responses (or lack of them).I think it's 100 percent. I might be wrong. It could be 99 percent of the time in the end people on here attack me personally or make the biblical post about me. People say you lost the argument when you get off the issue and attack the other person personally.
ROFLMAO. A way to pretend you are not having to concede the point.
It's nothing new. Goes back many years. I like to do what Martin Luther did when debating with the Catholics. Luther would only answer the Catholics if they used words that were in the Bible. So Luther would put out a verse and the Catholics would say well, you're an idiot. And Luther would only respond if they had a verse to talk about. I do that here even greater than Luther since I know more than he did. I do make exceptions and a couple of times I defended myself and then they came back on here with see you only talk about your self and not the Scriptures. I know a great deal more than Luther because I was never a Catholic priest. Luther saw some very screwed up doctrine the Catholics were teaching, but he still brought much of that Catholic stuff with him into the churches that we have today. Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.I couldn’t agree more…..as soon as they turn it into personal insults, you know that they have run out of valid arguments……attack is the weakest form of defense. They are proclaiming defeat by their own responses (or lack of them).
1 Peter 3:13-16….NASB….
”Who is there to harm you if you prove zealous for what is good?
But even if you should suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed. AND DO NOT FEAR THEIR INTIMIDATION, AND DO NOT BE TROUBLED, but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ will be put to shame.”
We surely can discuss our beliefs in a civil way, as all are equally accountable for what we accept as truth.
We prove by our demeanor that we have self-control and that we can discuss even provocative topics with the fruits of God’s spirit. Those who cannot, prove who they are.
Which part did I lie about, that Eliezer of Damascus was the first servant in father Abraham’s house or that the Hebrew word for Lazarus is Eliezer?This is what creates confusion…..when people say…”maybe this means ‘this or that“, without taking the rest of what the scriptures teach into account. This is what leads people who are bound and determined to perpetuate this lie, to suggesting all kinds of scenarios to force a verse or a passage to support their doctrine, no matter how many ways they want to twist it to fit.
I believe I understand now, what I posted didn’t come directly from you men teachers, and I understand that is important too you! Try and understand that it means nothing too me.This is what creates confusion…..when people say…”maybe this means ‘this or that“, without taking the rest of what the scriptures teach into account. This is what leads people who are bound and determined to perpetuate this lie, to suggesting all kinds of scenarios to force a verse or a passage to support their doctrine, no matter how many ways they want to twist it to fit.
It is to be noted that Luther did not want to leave Roman Catholicism…he simply wanted the church to clean up its act and get rid of its clearly unbiblical teachings and actions…..it took great courage to pin his thesis to the church door….outlining the way the church was indulging itself in unchristian doctrines and teachings. He knew that the hierarchy were behaving like Pharisees and he wanted change to begin with them….it never did, but it did at least one good thing…..it put God’s word back into the hands of the people so that they could at least follow through in their own studies like the ancient Boereans and check out the teachings for themselves in God’s word. (Acts 17:10-12) Having that advantage gives the church members no excuse for the cultivated ignorance that permeates the church, even today.It's nothing new. Goes back many years. I like to do what Martin Luther did when debating with the Catholics. Luther would only answer the Catholics if they used words that were in the Bible. So Luther would put out a verse and the Catholics would say well, you're an idiot. And Luther would only respond if they had a verse to talk about. I do that here even greater than Luther since I know more than he did.
If only people could see the deception…..it goes way back….I know a great deal more than Luther because I was never a Catholic priest. Luther saw some very screwed up doctrine the Catholics were teaching, but he still brought much of that Catholic stuff with him into the churches that we have today. Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another.
So many versions of “Christianity”….but common sense tells us that they cannot all be correct…there can only be ONE TRUTH…..there cannot many correct versions of it.In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.
Can you please clarify your comment here as I do not wish to misunderstand you….I believe I understand now, what I posted didn’t come directly from you men teachers, and I understand that is important too you! Try and understand that it means nothing too me.