shturt678s said:
Thank you zeke!
Jn.19:14 has always been my take off passage regarding this issue, "Now it was the Passover Preparation;...." This should be of no issue whatever. Lk.23:54 writes, "it was the day of the preparation, and the Sabbath drew on"; compare Matt.27:62. Mk.15:42 has, "the preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath," "the pro-Sabbath." And John himself repeats "the preparation," in Jn.19:31 and 42.
All this means that the day of the condemnation and the crucifixion of Jesus is Friday. Because it preceded the Sabbath it was called "the preparation" in the sense that this was its regular and common name at that time zeke.
Old Jack only positing down a reference point we can both take to the bank.
shturt678s,
Let me ask you a couple of questions.
Who would like to confuse the events of crucifixion week more than any one else? The answer is Satan.
Who else would like to confuse the events of crucifixion week just as much as Satan? The Rabbinic Jews of course. They deny Christ. They deny that He was God. In fact, they killed Him because He said He was God. They have done nothing but lie, lie, lie for two thousands years about Christ and crucifixion week. They have condemned members of their own families to mental institutions when they get saved and believe in Yahoshua the Christ. So why, in the name of every thing that is holy, would you lean upon their teachings and consider them to be valid? Why, in the name of every thing that is holy, would you listen to and believe any church that teaches this same heresy and blasphemy, Jewish or Christian or otherwise? Would it not be easier to believe the Holy Bible?
Now in answer to your propositions, unfortunately, we cannot take this to the bank. You’re still riding the Rabbinic Judaism bus. Rabbinic Judaism did not exist during crucifixion week. Rabbinic Judaism did not begin to come into existence until 100 to 200 years later.
The preparation day spoken of in these Scriptures is not “the pro-Sabbath”, never was and never will be.
There were up to four preparation days prior to Friday Abib 14 Passover. The last of these four days was Thursday Abib 13.
2.c. From Exodus 12 we also know that there were four preparation days prior to Passover.
Exodus 12:3 KJV, "Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth
day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of
their fathers, a lamb for an house[.]
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Exodus 12:6 KJV, "And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it [between the evenings].
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2.d. From Exodus 12 we also know that there were no preparation days prior to the seven days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
Exodus 12:29 KJV, "And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened; because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any victual.
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2.e. Knowing the placement of these two Holy Convocations within a week and within the month of Abib is critical to the proper interpretation of the chronology of events and days during crucifixion week.
Leviticus 23:4-6 KJV, "
4 These are the feasts of [Yahowah], even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month [between the evenings] is [Yahowah's] passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day (this 15th day is not speaking of the day of Passover at all, it is speaking to Saturday sunrise Abib 15 which is the first day of the seven days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Passover ended prior to Saturday sunrise)
of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto [Yahowah]: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.”
So, when these Scripture speak of the crucifixion occurring on “preparation day”, they are speaking to the last of the 4 preparation days prior to Passover. This “preparation day” is Thursday Abib 13. Passover begins at sunrise on Friday Abib 14. By that time Yahoshua was already dead for one day and one night.
THE DAY OF THE CRUCIFIXION IS PREPARATION DAY FOR PASSOVER, NOT THE DAY OF PASSOVER
9.a. In the four gospels, when preparation day is spoken of, it always is referring to the last preparation day prior to and for Passover. John 19:14 KJV, "
And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"
9.b. The last preparation day for Passover is the day prior to Passover. Therefore, the last preparation day is always Thursday Abib 13. The Bible, in all four gospels, teaches that Christ Yahoshua was crucified on preparation day. This preparation day is spoken of as the day of crucifixion in all four gospels: Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, and John 19:31.
9.c. Matthew 27:62-63 KJV, "
62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate. 63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again." As you can see, these passages show that the crucifixion took place yesterday on preparation day for the Passover. The day time of Thursday Abib 13 and the night time of Thursday were now behind them. They were now in day 2 of His death, which is Passover Friday Abib 14.
9.d. Mark 15:42-43 KJV, "
42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of [Yahoshua]." This Scripture explains that Yahoshua was crucified on the preparation day, not on Passover, which was the last preparation day before the upcoming Passover. One of the time markers in this passage is "
even". This means that Thursday day was behind them and now is was after sundown and it was now Thursday night. Another time marker is "
the day before the sabbath". The sabbath of Passover will begin when the sun rises tomorrow morning.
9.e. Luke 23:53-54 KJV, "
53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on." The first time marker in this passage is "
And that day was the preparation". In other words, Yahoshua was crucified on the preparation day before the Passover, not on Passover. The second time marker "
the sabbath drew on" is, of course, the day of Passover. And to say it "
drew on" meant that it was nearing sunrise. In other words it was late Thursday night; i.e., in the early morning hours of the night, prior to sunrise Friday.
9.f. John 19:31 KJV, "
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the [stakes] on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." Once again, we are told that the preparation day was the day of the crucifixion. And the Jews did not want the bodies to remain upon the execution stakes on the sabbath day. We know this was Passover because it was described as a high day. Only Passover is a high sabbath day. It is the first and chief day of all the sabbaths in Scripture. It is the only Holy Convocation day that does not require the Hebrews to refrain from servile work. It is the high sabbath that spared the life of every Hebrew that applied the blood of the lambs to their doorposts, while the first born of all of Egypt's men and animals died. Furthermore, we know that the bodies were not taken down until after sunset because of Mark 15:42 above.
To make this even more clear I need to stress a correction to your statement: “Because it preceded the Sabbath it was called "the preparation" in the sense that this was its regular and common name at that time zeke.”
Absolutely not! It was not the regular and common name at that time! This is the whole point. At that time in history this was not the regular and common name. This is a Satanic invention of Rabbinic Judaism several hundred years later.
Let me ask you a couple of questions.
Who would like to confuse the events of crucifixion week more than any one else? The answer is Satan.
Who else would like to confuse the events of crucifixion week just as much as Satan? The Rabbinic Jews of course. They deny Christ. They deny that He was God. In fact, they killed Him because He said He was God. They have done nothing but lie, lie, lie for two thousands years about Christ and crucifixion week. They have condemned members of their own families to mental institutions when they get saved and believe in Yahoshua the Christ. So why, in the name of every thing that is holy, would you lean upon their teachings and consider them to be valid? Why, in the name of every thing that is holy, would you listen to and believe any church that teaches this same heresy and blasphemy, Jewish or Christian or otherwise? Would it not be easier to believe the Holy Bible?
shturt678s said:
Thank you for your response again!
Question 1 is above my paygrade, however 2 (Friday), Jn.19:14, ...the hour was about the sixth." Well according to Mk.15:25 (about 0800), Jesus was crucified at the third hour Friday, our 9 A.M. All the synoptists, as no one disputes that I'm aware except, reckon the hours in the ol' Jewish fashion, namely 12 for the period of daylight, starting with the dawn and ending with sunset.
Old Jack's opinion
BTW, your answer to Mark 15:25 and John 19:14 is given in this forum under the thread named “
Counting Hours (In The Bible), Mark 15:25 & John 19:14 Exegesis”.
Also, all four gospels teach that the Last Supper was eaten on Wednesday night Abib 12. Christ did not eat the Passover that year, He was crucified prior to Passover. Passover was the 2nd day of His being dead.
Last Supper - Wednesday night.
Arrested - Wednesday night.
Crucified - Thursday day.
Passover - Friday.
shturt678s,
A note of clarification regarding my statement:
The preparation day spoken of in these Scriptures is not “the pro-Sabbath”, never was and never will be. I am speaking to that which appears to be your understanding of "the pro-Sabbath". Your understanding is that it is speaking of Friday. It is not speaking of Friday at all. It is speaking of the last preparation day prior to Friday, because Friday is a Sabbath.
I've had more time to go over R.C.H. Lenski's commentary on these passages. I assume that is where you are getting your information. I have no kind words to say about his commentary on these passages. It is beyond inaccurate, it is pitifully and abysmally an insult to academia.